Seth Davis: Ben Johnson has done an incredible job with this team. One of the elite coaches in one of the toughest jobs in America.

Or the program has sucked for 25 years and good coaches have got fired here because it's 'one of the worst jobs in the country'.

I haven't seen anything about the Rolling Stones. Probably because when they were in their prime was the last time the Gophers had a good basketball program without cheating.
Quite honestly, a person has to hate the Gophers and the U of M to post the stuff you post. You do you, but the fans on here ain't buying it. The insistence that the next 25 years unavoidably have to be the same as the last 25 years is emotional, not logistical or rational.
 

Or the program has sucked for 25 years and good coaches have got fired here because it's 'one of the worst jobs in the country'.

Minnesota basketball being one of the worst jobs in the country is completely made up because Ben has been such a disaster. There are several worse jobs just in the B1G, not to mention that any B1G job is better than 80% of the other D1 college head coaching jobs available.

Has the program been good over the last 25 years? No. But has it ever been as bad as it has been the last 4 years? No, not even close.

Ben didn't have the resume for this job 4 years ago. Now he doesn't have the results to keep his job. Not even close.

So what other reasons are there to give him another year? The people saying he needs another year has nothing to do with his results, or the reality of the Gophers job.
 
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Quite honestly, a person has to hate the Gophers and the U of M to post the stuff you post. You do you, but the fans on here ain't buying it. The insistence that the next 25 years unavoidably have to be the same as the last 25 years is emotional, not logistical or rational.
The greatest predictor of future performance is past performance. I don't hate the Gophers but the proof of it being a bad job is extraordinarily clear to anyone who isn't blinded.
 

The greatest predictor of future performance is past performance. I don't hate the Gophers but the proof of it being a bad job is extraordinarily clear to anyone who isn't blinded.
Emotional and over-simplistic. The nature of the world is change, but you have to make your own change and success. When I joined that one company in 1994, we turned it around overnight, and they've been successful ever since, even after our departure. Unconditional pessimism is illogical and irrational and is a form of drama queen-ism.
 

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I get the feeling Coyle started the propaganda storm about 3 weeks ago, and the shills are drumming up support as hard as they can.

Ben is getting year 5.

It's becoming more obvious every day.

Thus the continuing suck that is Minnesota basketball. And a few clowns here will cheer the decision.
Speaking of clowns I bet you’re a PJ hater as well…
 



Emotional and over-simplistic. The nature of the world is change, but you have to make your own change and success. When I joined that one company in 1994, we turned it around overnight, and they've been successful ever since, even after our departure. Unconditional pessimism is illogical and irrational and is a form of drama queen-ism.
Maybe you should use some of that departure money to save the future of Minnesota Basketball!
 

Minnesota basketball being one of the worst jobs in the country is completely made up because Ben has been such a disaster. There are several worse jobs just in the B1G, not to mention that any B1G job is better than 80% of the other D1 college head coaching jobs available.

Has the program been good over the last 25 years? No. But has it ever been as bad as it has been the last 4 years? No, not even close.

Ben didn't have the resume for this job 4 years ago. Now he doesn't have the results to keep his job. Not even close.

So what other reasons are there to give him another year? The people saying he needs another year has nothing to do with his results, or the reality of the Gophers job.
What's a worse job in the B1G and why is Minnesota a better job than them? Is it the 100 year old arena? The cold climate? Is it the bottom tier NIL support? Is it the bottom tier coaching staff allotment? What puts Minnesota over the top?

Maybe it's the Final 4 from 30 years ago that never happened per the NCAA and the 'U'.
 

Maybe you should use some of that departure money to save the future of Minnesota Basketball!
Not trying to convince you of anything. Just calling out your bullshit for the benefit of other posters who might be taken in by the seductive message of hopelessness and passivity.
 
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Fluke wins? Come on. Im all for johnson getting fired, but woulda coulda shoulda. If were gonna do that we should be 12-6 right now and 21-9.
No. In our 11 losses we average losing them by almost 11 points per game. In our 7 wins our average margin of victory is 5. We have gotten blown out about 7 times and are 7-4 in the tighter games in conference. This is a bad team that fights (to their and Ben's credit) and has been lucky to get 7 wins. Rigsby has been a total non-factor in about 20 games yet he carried them to victory almost single handedly in 2 of the wins. Very fortunate.
 

What's a worse job in the B1G and why is Minnesota a better job than them? Is it the 100 year old arena? The cold climate? Is it the bottom tier NIL support? Is it the bottom tier coaching staff allotment? What puts Minnesota over the top?

Maybe it's the Final 4 from 30 years ago that never happened per the NCAA and the 'U'.

You didn't answer my question. Why does Ben deserve another year at Minnesota?

Nebraska, Penn St, Rutgers, and Northwestern are all worse jobs, and there's no reason they can't compete with Iowa and Wisconsin.
 

Not poor taste at all.

You will never convince me that Ben wasn't hired due to race.

right after the George Floyd riots, we hire another person with no experience.

I can't think of any other possible reason for all the Ben love other than race.

If it isn't race........please fill me in.

I'd love any other explanation.
That was secondary to Ben being the opposite of Pitino. Pitino was not liked among the local AAU while Ben was well liked. They thought Ben would have a better chance at landing locals because he was well liked.
 




You didn't answer my question. Why does Ben deserve another year at Minnesota?

Nebraska, Penn St, Rutgers, and Northwestern are all worse jobs, and there's no reason they can't compete with Iowa and Wisconsin.
I'm not arguing for keeping Ben Johnson but the next $2 million dollar coach is going to suck too so I don't think it matters. Maybe the 'U' will finally pony up for a big time coach but I think there's a reason they ended up with the coaches they have the last 2 cycles, and its not 'DEI'.

Nebraska - Why is it a worse job than Minnesota? Minnesota produces more talent in-state. Nebraska has better fan support, a new arena, a good NIL set up. They haven't won anything ever but that doesn't matter as much when you can buy players.

Rutgers - Literally bought 2 5 star players this year. What are we even talking about? Not to mention the administration support that has led them to hiring coaches from P5 Universities in football. When's the last time the 'U' did that in football or basketball outside of Tubby?

We're right in line with Penn State and Northwestern. We'll probably finish above them in the standings this year which hasn't been very common this century!
 


I get the feeling Coyle started the propaganda storm about 3 weeks ago, and the shills are drumming up support as hard as they can.

Ben is getting year 5.

It's becoming more obvious every day.

Thus the continuing suck that is Minnesota basketball. And a few clowns here will cheer the decision.
Bill Belichek was ran out of Cleveland.
 

Not poor taste at all.

You will never convince me that Ben wasn't hired due to race.

right after the George Floyd riots, we hire another person with no experience.

I can't think of any other possible reason for all the Ben love other than race.

If it isn't race........please fill me in.

I'd love any other explanation.
Total baloney example of seeing what you want to see. Ie, tunnel vision with a self fulfilling prophecy coming from implicit bias if not blatant bias.
 

Nah, calling Ben Johnson elite as a result of that buzzer beater goes well beyond just commenting on a last second finish between two lower division Big Ten teams. That was purposeful.
No...it is a guy using a cool victory and a wild take to garner some chat. Happens all the time especially when coaches are likely going to be fired.

Why would Seth Davis shill for the U of M?

You guys are doing exactly what he was going for...talking about his "hot take".
 

Almost no doubt that there has to be a PR push going. The U is trying desperately to retain him. He might have given them enough yesterday despite the amateur coaching job in the second half. Very lucky.
Look, you and the others floating this idea that the U is desperate to keep him could turn out to be right but I still have yet to hear anyone give me a valid reason why they would be desperate to do this.

If they bring Johnson back the season ticket numbers will drop even more then they already have and they will be playing games in front of an empty arena with a fanbase that has no interest in the program. Johnson would have to hit an absolute grand slam in terms of the players he brings in order to play at a high enough level to win people back. And while he has shown an ability to bring in some quality players he hasn't been able to bring in or retain enough of them in order to have even one really good season through his first 4. At best year 3 and maybe year 4 can be seen as ok and the first two were just flat out bad.

No over .500 in conference finishes through 4 years
Hasn't come close to making an NCAA tournament
Lots of empty seats in the barn
Whole roster turning over including the loss of almost all of the current offensive production.
Very little talent coming back and a recruiting class coming in that just looks ok.

The ONLY reason I can think of why the administration would want to keep him is to not pay the buyout and if that is true may as well just shut down the program because a Big Ten school being scared of a buyout that size would be beyond pathetic.
 

No...it is a guy using a cool victory and a wild take to garner some chat. Happens all the time especially when coaches are likely going to be fired.

Why would Seth Davis shill for the U of M?

You guys are doing exactly what he was going for...talking about his "hot take".
Maybe but I really don't know what Davis gains by making a ridiculous tweet that is getting mocked on twitter and by the local fanbase of the team it was about.

Sure people toss out crazy stuff sometimes to get attention but calling a coach one of the elite coaches in the country when most of your followers have probably never heard of Ben Johnson the basketball coach is just weird.

I don't think this is any sort of coordinated PR thing like some here but this is a strange out of left field take from a National guy.
 

I'm not arguing for keeping Ben Johnson but the next $2 million dollar coach is going to suck too so I don't think it matters. Maybe the 'U' will finally pony up for a big time coach but I think there's a reason they ended up with the coaches they have the last 2 cycles, and its not 'DEI'.

Complete nonsense. To think that we can't do any better than 0 NCAA tournament appearances in 4 years, when every other non-sanctioned Gopher coach has done that within the same timeframe, is ridiculous. So we just give up then, and never care if we make another NCAA tournament again?

Nebraska - Why is it a worse job than Minnesota? Minnesota produces more talent in-state. Nebraska has better fan support, a new arena, a good NIL set up. They haven't won anything ever but that doesn't matter as much when you can buy players.

They've never won anything, and significantly less than the Gophers, the only metric that matters, but it's somehow a better job?

Rutgers - Literally bought 2 5 star players this year. What are we even talking about? Not to mention the administration support that has led them to hiring coaches from P5 Universities in football. When's the last time the 'U' did that in football or basketball outside of Tubby?

How's that working out for Rutgers this year? Over 9 years Pikiell has went to the same number of NCAA tournaments as Richard Pitino did in 8 here. And Rutgers hadn't been to a NCAA tournament in 30 years prior to Pikiell. How is that a better job?

What does football have to do with it? PJ has a better program than Schiano does. How is that possible since this is such a 'tougher job'?

We're right in line with Penn State and Northwestern. We'll probably finish above them in the standings this year which hasn't been very common this century!

It was common most years until Ben became the coach.
 

Some people believe that everything in the world happens by accident. You must be one of them.

Do you think it's a coincidence that, when the Rolling Stones are about to go on tour, you cannot avoid a print or TV article about them if you try? Anyone who doesn't think that what they see in the media is coordinated has the mind of a child.
That is a terrible comparison man...of course the Stones would flood the market it helps sell tickets. (In reality for a band like them it likely doesn't but for bands in general sure) That isn't some conspiracy everyone does that.

Let's say the U is paying off local and national media (the U which everyone complains is so cheap...square that peg) to pimp Ben...what do they gain exactly? Not one fan is going to buy season tix because some national dude who watched 10 seconds of one game and said Johnson is amazing said he deserves more time. There is no value to it unless he wins games next year. Even local guys...do you really think the U gets any value from LEN praising Ben? Does anyone even care what these guys think anymore? No one reads the sports page...

You are right that the media isn't being honest on it, but it is the same stuff we see all the time at this time of year. Coach on mediocre squad (usually in a major conference) who is likely to be fired gets a couple surprising wins and the people who only cover that team when they are forced to pretend to know more than they do. Hell we see it in every sport...announcers and national types think every coach is great because you have to be great to coach at that level.

Ask yourself this...if the Gophers lose does Davis mention Ben at all? If the U was paying him or nudging him through some means he would have to right? Or do they only use their immense influence over national media after wins?

I think the U offers favors locally to clowns who will do anything for access...but the U does not have the clout, the standing or the money to coordinate this and you know it. I mean think about what you are thinking is going on and imagine Coyle at the head of it. Come on...
 

Maybe but I really don't know what Davis gains by making a ridiculous tweet that is getting mocked on twitter and by the local fanbase of the team it was about.

Sure people toss out crazy stuff sometimes to get attention but calling a coach one of the elite coaches in the country when most of your followers have probably never heard of Ben Johnson the basketball coach is just weird.

I don't think this is any sort of coordinated PR thing like some here but this is a strange out of left field take from a National guy.
He got engagement...that's it. How often do you think alot of the people mocking him post to his tweets?

No one cares if his takes make sense including him. If it gets a spike in engagement he wins. Like clicking on a terrible Reusse take...

You see this in entertainment news all the time...bait farming. Throw out a comment no matter how stupid or off base and smile as hundreds attack that comment. (and your followers defend you, tagging you doubling the impact) No one will remember you made it a year from now (and if they do guess what they engage again!) and the people who follow will still follow you.

It is stupid and it is cynical and it works every time. I did minor SM work for a while it's one of the first things that you learn.
 
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Quite honestly, a person has to hate the Gophers and the U of M to post the stuff you post. You do you, but the fans on here ain't buying it. The insistence that the next 25 years unavoidably have to be the same as the last 25 years is emotional, not logistical or rational.
I mean we saw stuff like that around every football firing too. That was why people who never coached college (or even shown an interest) were always top of the list for some people. We suck so might as well just hire a joke it's the best we can do!

Plus it's revisionist history anyways. The program has not sucked for 25 years. (And he knows it) What we do now is suck. We made NCAA tournies in the last 25 years...that isn't sucking.
 
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What's a worse job in the B1G and why is Minnesota a better job than them? Is it the 100 year old arena? The cold climate? Is it the bottom tier NIL support? Is it the bottom tier coaching staff allotment? What puts Minnesota over the top?

Maybe it's the Final 4 from 30 years ago that never happened per the NCAA and the 'U'.
That’s another thing- the Barn is awesome for watching college basketball. If you haven’t been to a game at the Barn in 20-30 years get back there and embrace it.
 


The Gophers made the NCAA Tournament in 2017 and 2019. Are you ok?
Perfectly okay! The Gophers have made the tournament 6 times the last 25 years. Hired 2 coaches with a combined 1 year of head coaching experience the last 2 cycles. Per people who would know the budget for the next coach isn't going to change. We play in a 100 year old arena. We have bottom tier NIL. You get what you pay for and that is a bottom tier B1G team.
 




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