Scoggins: Word is Mark Coyle wants to build Gophers men’s basketball. What does it mean for Ben Johnson?

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Johnnyboy18 said:
The 1st 2 years are a result in the lack of investment (cheap hire and behind in NIL infrastructure). The last 2 years have been largely in line with the mediocrity of the program the last 25 years. Is a player leaving for more money in May after saying he's coming back not an example of lack of cash? What more evidence do you need? How many times the last 15 years have the Gophers had an above average roster in the B1G?
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Just to narrow-minded to even respond to.
 

Johnnyboy18 said:
They go hand in hand. See last 25 years of results.
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Ive seen the last 25 years. I also know which coach has produced the worst results during the stretch. If we are going to emphasize that we have had a very poor 25 year run, it must take a special level of ineptitude to stand out as the low point if that quarter century.
 


TwistingMyMelon said:
My guess is that Coyle isn't evaluated primarily on the competitive success of any single program. A lot of you seem not to understand that Athletic Directors primarily are business managers. I think you confuse them with professional sports franchise general managers.
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If he mismanages one of his major revenue sports into the dirt because of 10 years of inaction and bad judgment (5 years at the back end of Pitino--yes, I know he didn't hire him, and 5 of Johnson), then he absolutely should be measured in part on that. It's not like he has football, hockey or any of the non-rev sports killing it to justify redirecting his attention and resources away from men's basketball. And, as a business manager he should also be held responsible for the plummeting attendance and revenue for basketball on his watch. The guy is, as the kids say, "mid" at his job.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Ive seen the last 25 years. I also know which coach has produced the worst results during the stretch. If we are going to emphasize that we have had a very poor 25 year run, it must take a special level of ineptitude to stand out as the low point if that quarter century.
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All I see is a bad program continuing to be bad. Would love for Coyle to fix this by any means necessary.
 




MaxyJR1 said:
Sample
$20.5 to share:
75% Football $15.375M (105 players) $146,428 average per player
10% Men's Basketball $2.050M (15 players) $136,666 per player
5% Hockey $1.025M (26 players) $39,500 per player
2% Women's Basketball $410,000 (15 players) $27.300 per player
2% Volleyball $410,000 (18 players) $22,777 per player
5% Other Sports $1.025M Spread across about 500 athletes
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I think mens basketball gets at least 15%
 





The more I think about this, the more frustrating it gets. Last year, Coyle crowed about how he aspires for a championship caliber basketball team and that the bar for the upcoming season was the NCAAs. Now he spouts this bullshit about "building Gopher basketball." What does that mean beyond what you should always be doing with your program? And how does going against what you said last year about the championship this and the NCAAs that and obviously settling for much less accomplish building Gopher basketball? If the financial situation before revenue sharing has made championship-level basketball impossible, why open up your pie hole and go on and on about that a year ago? It all seems so nonsensical and discordant.
 

TwistingMyMelon said:
I think the most impressive thing about this team is the 7-8 record in Quad One games. 7 Quad 1 wins ties for 9th in the nation.
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It is truly one of the more amazing stats of the basketball season. Only nine teams in the entire country have more Quad 1 wins than Minnesota.

Gophers have more Quad 1 wins than:

#1 Duke (6)
#8 Gonzaga (3)
#9 Iowa State (6)
#14 Wisconsin (6)
#16 Misssouri (6)
#19 St. John's (3)
#21 Kansas (5)
#23 Marquette (5)

#92 Minnesota (7)
 

tjgopher said:
It is truly one of the more amazing stats of the basketball season. Only nine teams in the entire country have more Quad 1 wins than Minnesota.

Gophers have more Quad 1 wins than:

#1 Duke (6)
#8 Gonzaga (3)
#9 Iowa State (6)
#14 Wisconsin (6)
#16 Misssouri (6)
#19 St. John's (3)
#21 Kansas (5)
#23 Marquette (5)

#92 Minnesota (7)
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The fact that they have a 92 Net with that many quad 1 wins also says something about their strength of schedule.
 



MaxyJR1 said:
Sample
$20.5 to share:
75% Football $15.375M (105 players) $146,428 average per player
10% Men's Basketball $2.050M (15 players) $136,666 per player
5% Hockey $1.025M (26 players) $39,500 per player
2% Women's Basketball $410,000 (15 players) $27.300 per player
2% Volleyball $410,000 (18 players) $22,777 per player
5% Other Sports $1.025M Spread across about 500 athletes
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“Other Sports” don’t need any money. They get free education and access to top notch athletic facilities and other non-monetary benefits. Give that 5% to MBB where it can have a real impact (and where revenue is actually generated).
 

BleedGopher said:
Per Chip:

Coyle does not make it a practice to comment publicly on a coach’s job status during the season, so I’m not certain if he has made a final decision.

However, my conversations with people connected to the athletic department have shed light on a critical piece to the puzzle: Coyle plans to be aggressive in how much of the $20.5 million in revenue-sharing gets allocated to men’s basketball.

The goal, sources say, is for men’s basketball to rank in the top third of the Big Ten in revenue-sharing, which would close the gap on competitors in name, image and likeness (NIL) distribution to players.

The Gophers desperately need more success, and more revenue generated, from men’s basketball. Coyle seems willing and determined to invest financially to jumpstart that program.

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Scoggins: Word is Mark Coyle wants to build Gophers men’s basketball. What does it mean for Ben Johnson?

People connected to the University of Minnesota say the athletic director wants to invest in the program. Does the coach get to come along?
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Go Gophers!!
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This is the only rational idea I have heard all year. Coyle is not an idiot.
 

If Coyle wants to get to 5-6 million total, and our current NIL is in the neighborhood of 1 million (at least that is what a recent news article stated) and assuming it's going to be something like that next year, that means the U allocating something along the lines of 19.5% to 24.3% of revenue sharing to basketball.

I'm skeptical if that 5-6 million would put us into the top third in spending in the conference. However, I guess if other schools stay in the 15% allocation range, it would narrow the gap.
 

1983 said:
I was crucified for this statement. If logistics can be met, move to target center until a solution on campus makes sense. Much better fan experience downtown vs on campus, better pre game day offering.
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matt said:
“Other Sports” don’t need any money. They get free education and access to top notch athletic facilities and other non-monetary benefits. Give that 5% to MBB where it can have a real impact (and where revenue is actually generated).
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It works out to about $2,000 per athlete
 

bmb5270 said:
I think mens basketball gets at least 15%
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I think it needs to. Hockey is the wildcard. Saw a Texas Tech forecast for 17% basketball. They are B12 and don’t have hockey. They had baseball getting a bit more.

These schools aren’t going to go public with the breakdown until they have to. All speculation.

SEC baseball is probably on par with B1G hockey.
 

Devils advocate

We were all juiced at the end of last year. Things were looking up......I know it's hard for some to remember. The lack NIL$$$ changed that. Lost 3 good starters and 2 solid bench players.

Not sure all the blame is on the coach. Some...absolutely. how much...not sure u can weigh it.

Just be sure to look at it from all directions.

I am 50/50. Do I want a coaching change....if it's the right hire but certainly not if we reach yet again.

I'm sure I'll get roasted for this post but so be it
 

I just look at the past four years of data and the evidence is in the body of work. The other variables are things that other coaches have been able to excel at. This also is a part of the body of evidence.
 


Holy Man said:
Terrible for students. I can speak to that as a student season ticket holder in the metro
Holy Man said:
Terrible for students. I can speak to that as a student season ticket holder in the metro dump in college.
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it would only be temporary was my mindset when posting. Permanent stadium has to absolutely be on campus.
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Gopherbbdude said:
Devils advocate

We were all juiced at the end of last year. Things were looking up......I know it's hard for some to remember. The lack NIL$$$ changed that. Lost 3 good starters and 2 solid bench players.

Not sure all the blame is on the coach. Some...absolutely. how much...not sure u can weigh it.

Just be sure to look at it from all directions.

I am 50/50. Do I want a coaching change....if it's the right hire but certainly not if we reach yet again.

I'm sure I'll get roasted for this post but so be it
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Your take is reasonable, therefore it doesn't fit here because it isn't polarizing enough. You either run with the Johnson apologists or you join the pitchforks and effigy crowd🤣
 

Gopherbbdude said:
We were all juiced at the end of last year.
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No we weren't.
Gopherbbdude said:
Things were looking up......I know it's hard for some to remember. The lack NIL$$$ changed that. Lost 3 good starters and 2 solid bench players.
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We lost two starters due to NIL, two bench players who were unhappy with the coach and one starter who went pro.
Gopherbbdude said:
Not sure all the blame is on the coach. Some...absolutely. how much...not sure u can weigh it.
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All? No. Almost all? Yes.
 

Gopherbbdude said:
Devils advocate

We were all juiced at the end of last year. Things were looking up......I know it's hard for some to remember. The lack NIL$$$ changed that. Lost 3 good starters and 2 solid bench players.

Not sure all the blame is on the coach. Some...absolutely. how much...not sure u can weigh it.

Just be sure to look at it from all directions.

I am 50/50. Do I want a coaching change....if it's the right hire but certainly not if we reach yet again.

I'm sure I'll get roasted for this post but so be it
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Again where do people get this? We lost 5 of 6 Big Ten games to end last year. The one win was a pretty pathetic home showing against PSU that went down to the wire. Who the hell was "juiced"?
 

Read through the whole thread, and I feel like I must have been guilty of wishful thinking when reading Chip's article? My thought was that IF Coyle is really going to give a significant portion of the revenue sharing pie to Men's Basketball, he certainly isn't doing that for Ben Johnson who put another terrible product on the floor this year. If Coyle was going to give less to Men's Basketball, wouldn't that point to keeping Ben? Just essentially "punt" on the program and hope Football, Hockey, and Women's Basketball and Volleyball win enough to keep fans happy?

My "negative" take was that Coyle would give Ben another year as "proof of concept" to prospective head coaches showing that we had a significant Basketball budget. The issue with that is we have 10 scholarships open for next year (3 accounted for by a Freshman class that won't be here with a new coach), so wouldn't now be the perfect time to make a change?

I honestly don't know what is going to happen, but if I had to guess this is what the last year has been:

After last season, Coyle sat down with Ben and told him he needed to see a "step forward" in year 4. That step forward likely included some combination of an NCAA tournament berth, a winning B1G record, increased interest in the program, and recruiting wins. Ben responded by putting together a cupcake schedule and loading up on Seniors. He was clearly all in on winning this year and that was evident in both his roster construction and minutes distribution. At some point in the season, Ben was reminded of the achievements that were necessary this year.

I still will be very surprised if that $3 million number on the buyout is accurate. Half your total remaining salary is an absolutely wild number for a coach in Johnson's position.
 




MilosRevenge said:
Mariucci deal was 11.2 million divided over 14 years. Williams would top that but probably not by too much.
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The Mariucci naming rights were part of 3M's overall investment in Gopher athletics, which included the Athlete's Village and other assets. So the naming rights were less than the $800,000 annual value, likely closer to $600,000. That was also 8 years ago and Williams Arena hosts both the men's and women's teams and the venue has greater national media value because some (currently rarely the Gophers) B1G games air on broadcast TV.

I think the current floor for naming rights of Williams Arena is $800k per year and would be part of an agreement worth $1M+ per year over a similar term to 3M's deal. There are two major barriers to marketing the opportunity: 1) The current quality of the men's team and level of investment in it from the school and 2) The remaining life of Williams Arena (does it have 14 years left?)
 

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