Reusse Gopher Basketball Insights - Transfer Gossip, NIL Money, Facilities, Dutcher, Musselman ETC

[bga1]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but schools/institutions can't fund NILs, or directly pay athletes under a guise of NIL.

You aren't wrong. But of course schools do coordinate it....and push it. Where that line is, varies.

 

[Gophers_4life]

I really like the idea that was brought up about Welsh-Ryan.

More suites, more premium seating, smaller total crowd side but easier to fill. Modern amenities, concourses, bathrooms, and general seating.

 

[disco]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but schools/institutions can't fund NILs, or directly pay athletes under a guise of NIL.

Sure. Wink wink...

 

[Gophers_4life]

Sure. Wink wink...

In the literal sense, zero point zero percent chance that funds are being deposited from an athletic department account into a NIL collective account.

Though I suspect you’re not talking about that.

 

[disco]

In the literal sense, zero point zero percent chance that funds are being deposited from an athletic department account into a NIL collective account.

Though I suspect you’re not talking about that.

Of course not. Now whether or not funds from an athletic department are being used for some other purpose, and somehow make their way into an NIL funding mechanism...

 

[Gophers_4life]

Of course not. Now whether or not funds from an athletic department are being used for some other purpose, and somehow make their way into an NIL funding mechanism...

That still to me would be extreme risky.

The SEC never did that, or had to resort to such things.

They had willing donors who would act of their own accord as bag men. Nowadays, you just legally, above the table, donate to a NIL collective and it’s the same outcome (roughly).


We just don’t have those donors, for whatever reasons.

 

[disco]

That still to me would be extreme risky.

The SEC never did that, or had to resort to such things.

They had willing donors who would act of their own accord as bag men. Nowadays, you just legally, above the table, donate to a NIL collective and it’s the same outcome (roughly).


We just don’t have those donors, for whatever reasons.

Yes and no. The whole SMU scandal that resulted in the death penalty was being directed by the athletic department. I believe they controlled the slush fund.

 

[Big Dawg]

It's probably searchable, but Ben was probably making less than 100k/yr as an assistant. He is making 2 mil now. If I was Ben #1, I could literally live the rest of my life on that one year salary(ok minus taxes so maybe 2 years). If I was Ben I would donate to the collective $250k per year and ask donors/fans to match 1% of Ben's donation to the collective. I would have a base for every player on the BB team. Base is pizza $. So maybe $500/mo while you are on campus. It goes up from there. You are a 3 star freshmen-you get $1000/mo. You are a 4 star freshman=$2k/mo. A sophmore starter or any of the 10 mn/gm guys=$3k/mo. I believe a decent NIL program for a BIG BB team could be had for 300-500k/yr. That wouldn't include any lottery NBA draft type players. The U will rarely if ever get that type of player. Obviously the NIL needs to cover the other U teams. Surprises me that some smart business minded folks in the twin cities aren't all over this.

 

[PMWinSTP]

It's probably searchable, but Ben was probably making less than 100k/yr as an assistant. He is making 2 mil now. If I was Ben #1, I could literally live the rest of my life on that one year salary(ok minus taxes so maybe 2 years). If I was Ben I would donate to the collective $250k per year and ask donors/fans to match 1% of Ben's donation to the collective. I would have a base for every player on the BB team. Base is pizza $. So maybe $500/mo while you are on campus. It goes up from there. You are a 3 star freshmen-you get $1000/mo. You are a 4 star freshman=$2k/mo. A sophmore starter or any of the 10 mn/gm guys=$3k/mo. I believe a decent NIL program for a BIG BB team could be had for 300-500k/yr. That wouldn't include any lottery NBA draft type players. The U will rarely if ever get that type of player. Obviously the NIL needs to cover the other U teams. Surprises me that some smart business minded folks in the twin cities aren't all over this.

My understanding is school/institution employees are prohibited from contributing to NIL.

 

[Ope3]

But Pat is 100% lying about NIL.

If Pat is "100% lying" about NIL why isn't ANYONE affiliated with the Gophers refuting it either directly or as a source?

 

[cheeseheadgophfan]

If Pat is "100% lying" about NIL why isn't ANYONE affiliated with the Gophers refuting it either directly as a a source?

I'm assuming that anyone affiliated with the Gophers (i.e. the University) is supposed to be detached from NIL funding, correct?

 

[Ope3]

I'm assuming that anyone affiliated with the Gophers (i.e. the University) is supposed to be detached from NIL funding, correct?

That's why I included the "as a source" part of my statement. (Corrected my typo).

Reusse has been stating that he's getting his lack of NIL funding from someone affiliated with the program.

 

[atsgopher]

The defensive game plan and in-game coaching against Wisconsin is the answer to your question.

The Problem I have with your position is when you were talking about his during the game, it was when we were also winning that game.

I was thinking then it was more that we didn’t make them pay on the other end (ie. Offensive execution) when given the opportunities due to their D breakdowns.

What ultimately lost the game is them hitting a shot over the top, despite it being well defended.

 

[Gophers_4life]

Yes and no. The whole SMU scandal that resulted in the death penalty was being directed by the athletic department. I believe they controlled the slush fund.

That could well be true, for way back then. That was pre big TV money era.

I’m talking modern times. I doubt a single athletic dept is doing anything with their own money, in any way. They really don’t have to.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

I watched the press conference for the new Women's HC. NIL came up. Coyle said that the Compliance Person in the AD's office is being moved to a full-time NIL position, and that the U is hiring at least one new fund-raiser to work on NIL.

Now - it was not stated directly, but I got the impression that Coyle is talking about the kind of NIL that Dinkytown Athletes is involved with - supporting athletes who are already in the program.

the big-time NIL where players are allegedly getting 6-figure deals as a recruiting incentive - that would have to come from outside the school - like John Ruiz in Miami.

 

[Gophers_4life]

Crypto bro trying to bootstrap the namesake university of Crypto Capital Town.

Hey, they’re in the Sweet Sixteen! So it must work in basketball.

Won’t work in football.

 

[Big Dawg]

My understanding is school/institution employees are prohibited from contributing to NIL.

I believe (might be 100% wrong on this) that a "school/institution employee" cannot give directly to an athlete, but can they give to a collective? IDK. Surprised there isn't more definitive straight forward information out there on EXACTLY how NIL works. Oh well. I get the impression that the Uof M is somehow way behind the curve regarding NIL compared to other P6 teams.

 

[howeda7]

I believe (might be 100% wrong on this) that a "school/institution employee" cannot give directly to an athlete, but can they give to a collective? IDK. Surprised there isn't more definitive straight forward information out there on EXACTLY how NIL works. Oh well. I get the impression that the Uof M is somehow way behind the curve regarding NIL compared to other P6 teams.

The schools can't give $$ at all. They can "help coordinate". That's all.

I don't think the U is alone in being "behind" but there seems to be two groups. The ones that went and got the $$ and said we'll figure out how to comply with the rules later. And those who waited to figure out the rules and now are trying to catch-up. The U is in the later group for sure.

 

[Big Dawg]

The schools can't give $$ at all. They can "help coordinate". That's all.

I don't think the U is alone in being "behind" but there seems to be two groups. The ones that went and got the $$ and said we'll figure out how to comply with the rules later. And those who waited to figure out the rules and now are trying to catch-up. The U is in the later group for sure.

So an employee with their own salary can't give to a NIL collective not knowing where that money will end up? Obviously a school employee cannot give directly to an athlete. Basically donating to a charity. ?????? Ben gets his paycheck. Ben then writes a check as a donation to a NIL collective. Is that specifically prohibited????

 

[howeda7]

So an employee with their own salary can't give to a NIL collective not knowing where that money will end up? Obviously a school employee cannot give directly to an athlete. Basically donating to a charity. ?????? Ben gets his paycheck. Ben then writes a check as a donation to a NIL collective. Is that specifically prohibited????

NIL funds are not "charity". I'm not sure if it would apply to any University employee, but I'm assuming so. Certainly any employee of the Athletic Department giving to the fund would not be OK. Technically they can't even bring it up in recruiting. Obviously that happens and there's plenty of grey area. But Ben donating to the fund directly would be a very black and white violation.

For a similar example, journalists and employees of TV stations, newspapers etc. cannot make political donations. It's not a violation of their "rights". It's a condition of their employment. If they don't like it, they can quit.

 

[PMWinSTP]

The schools can't give $$ at all. They can "help coordinate". That's all.

I don't think the U is alone in being "behind" but there seems to be two groups. The ones that went and got the $$ and said we'll figure out how to comply with the rules later. And those who waited to figure out the rules and now are trying to catch-up. The U is in the later group for sure.

Correct.

 

[PMWinSTP]

That's

So an employee with their own salary can't give to a NIL collective not knowing where that money will end up? Obviously a school employee cannot give directly to an athlete. Basically donating to a charity. ?????? Ben gets his paycheck. Ben then writes a check as a donation to a NIL collective. Is that specifically prohibited????

Correct, employees can't give to the collectives.

 

[Dave H]

Correct! Reusse is wrong and correct it isn't enough. Right now, what the U should be doing is supporting the current coach with a few million in NIL. They can do that or hire another one and spend a few million more that way- only to be told by that coach that they need more NIL money to compete.

Ben being green is a problem. The lack of a will to help him win is another. If you hire a rookie you better get in with a lot of support and the U has shown its typical weak approach.

That isn't how NIL works...geez are you a graduate of the "Gophers4_Life School of Repeating Terrible Takes and Doubling Down"?

 

[bga1]

That isn't how NIL works...geez are you a graduate of the "Gophers4_Life School of Repeating Terrible Takes and Doubling Down"?

Yes Dave H, I get it that the school doesn't directly hand the coach 2 mil in NIL money. They do direct priorities though and they do market it- as you can see from the news yesterday the athletic department has now decided to become more involved as they see other schools eating their lunch.

 

[howeda7]

 

[Gophers_4life]

The schools can't give $$ at all. They can "help coordinate". That's all.

I don't think the U is alone in being "behind" but there seems to be two groups. The ones that went and got the $$ and said we'll figure out how to comply with the rules later. And those who waited to figure out the rules and now are trying to catch-up. The U is in the later group for sure.

Classic "let's do it the right way"! Idiots!

 

[Gophers_4life]

So an employee with their own salary can't give to a NIL collective not knowing where that money will end up? Obviously a school employee cannot give directly to an athlete. Basically donating to a charity. ?????? Ben gets his paycheck. Ben then writes a check as a donation to a NIL collective. Is that specifically prohibited????

Right now, the NCAA only has "guidelines" out. I doubt there is a specific sentence of language in there that says "coaches and staff in the athletic department of a school are not allowed to donate to organizations who fund NIL endorsements for that school's student-athletes".

But I'm guessing that would be nearly universally frowned upon.


It is interesting, though, isn't it?

Old way: coaches could never dare give any kind of benefit directly to a player. That would be laughably against the rules. So too, a booster could never dare give any kind of benefit directly.

New way: boosters can give their money to a "NIL collective" who waives their hands and turns that money into an "endorsement deal" with a player. And I highly, highly doubt that these deals require the player to "show up" at much of anything. But we're wondering if a coach could do the same with their personal salaries, and thinking that would still be against the rules.

 

[Gophers_4life]

But Ben donating to the fund directly would be a very black and white violation.

Would it though?

I agree with your sentiment however, that most people would be appalled if it came out that a coach was doing that. So I doubt any are.

 

[atsgopher]

Perhaps your best of some 72,000 posts.

 

[Gophers_4life]

That isn't how NIL works...

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