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+1 Paraphrasing Coyle, I know more than you know. If so, why did he have to wait till December? According to him, he knew what he knew for some time.Seems to me that the leadership gaffe went well beyond Claeys. Report seems far from independent.
Seems to me that the leadership gaffe went well beyond Claeys. Report seems far from independent.
The school received the headline they paid for, 98% of readers will never look beyond that.
Ha! I'm thinking it was Slim Farter.Unnamed 3rd party..... Does his name rhyme with Bee Mutton?
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Ha! I'm thinking it was Slim Farter.
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For me, I don't think there was a doubt that the U was following the rules & laws. It was that some of these rules & laws seem suspect and unfair, particularly with the EOAA and the way they conducted their investigation and came to their findings, which seemed to me to have a pre-established agenda and conclusion.
For me, I don't think there was a doubt that the U was following the rules & laws. It was that some of these rules & laws seem suspect and unfair, particularly with the EOAA and the way they conducted their investigation and came to their findings, which seemed to me to have a pre-established agenda and conclusion.
Agree with you 100%. I always chuckle at the "independent lawyer" bit too. Hmmm....let me see...they hired us to investigate and are paying us a lot of money....let's accuse them of breaking the law....yeah right. I am pretty sure I could have hired an independent lawyer to find exactly the opposite.
+1. I don't know of anyone who thought U broke the law.
Think the procedures are poor? Sure.
Think the EOAA "investigation" was biased and predetermined? Of course.
Situation mIshandled at every turn by the U Administration? Tough to deny.
But illegal? Who thought that?
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For me, I don't think there was a doubt that the U was following the rules & laws. It was that some of these rules & laws seem suspect and unfair, particularly with the EOAA and the way they conducted their investigation and came to their findings, which seemed to me to have a pre-established agenda and conclusion.
If so wouldn't all 10 players have been punished?have a pre-established agenda and conclusion.
For me, I don't think there was a doubt that the U was following the rules & laws. It was that some of these rules & laws seem suspect and unfair, particularly with the EOAA and the way they conducted their investigation and came to their findings, which seemed to me to have a pre-established agenda and conclusion.
If so wouldn't all 10 players have been punished?
If so wouldn't all 10 players have been punished?
If so wouldn't all 10 players have been punished?
So, Kaler and Coyle followed the law and rules in suspending all 10 football players. That is just another way of saying that the players received all of the due process they had coming to them. And that is exactly what a few of us in GopherHole have been saying all along. And finally, there are 10 to 15 GopherHolers who were wrong about almost everything they posted on this subject. Of course, they will never admit it or apologize for the verbal abuse they administered to every poster who had the audacity to disagree with them.
Report: University of Minnesota followed law, rules in suspending 10 football players
Marti told the oversight committee that much of the criticism stemmed from a misunderstanding of the university's obligation to investigate sexual assault complaints, even when the county attorney declines to file charges. "The university did not have a choice," he said. "You were required by law to do so."
The report also found that the university offers "substantial due process protections" for accused students, "including protections that far exceed the due process protections of other Big Ten universities." Among other things, the U permits students' attorneys to participate "in all stages" of the disciplinary process, and to cross-examine witnesses, unlike many other schools.
Read more at: http://www.startribune.com/universi...g-10-football-players-review-finds/440720013/
So, Kaler and Coyle followed the law and rules in suspending all 10 football players. That is just another way of saying that the players received all of the due process they had coming to them. And that is exactly what a few of us in GopherHole have been saying all along. And finally, there are 10 to 15 GopherHolers who were wrong about almost everything they posted on this subject. Of course, they will never admit it or apologize for the verbal abuse they administered to every poster who had the audacity to disagree with them.
Report: University of Minnesota followed law, rules in suspending 10 football players
Marti told the oversight committee that much of the criticism stemmed from a misunderstanding of the university's obligation to investigate sexual assault complaints, even when the county attorney declines to file charges. "The university did not have a choice," he said. "You were required by law to do so."
The report also found that the university offers "substantial due process protections" for accused students, "including protections that far exceed the due process protections of other Big Ten universities." Among other things, the U permits students' attorneys to participate "in all stages" of the disciplinary process, and to cross-examine witnesses, unlike many other schools.
Read more at: http://www.startribune.com/universi...g-10-football-players-review-finds/440720013/
None of the 10 played in the bowl game. And their reputations certainly took a big hit.
Agree with you 100%. I always chuckle at the "independent lawyer" bit too. Hmmm....let me see...they hired us to investigate and are paying us a lot of money....let's accuse them of breaking the law....yeah right. I am pretty sure I could have hired an independent lawyer to find exactly the opposite.
PS. Several of the 10 to 15 GopherHolers who displayed their ignorance of "due process", administrative law, and criminal/civil procedure on a daily basis over many months are lawyers (or so they say). We can only hope they serve their clients better than the readers of GopherHole.