Quarterback sneak. One thing I don't understand

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While I support the idea of a quarterback sneak, what I don't like is a running back making the push from behind. Wouldn't a linebacker or a very solid extra lineman be better to make the push into the end zone or for a first down?
 

#2Gopher said:
While I support the idea of a quarterback sneak, what I don't like is a running back making the push from behind. Wouldn't a linebacker or a very solid extra lineman be better to make the push into the end zone or for a first down?
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The running back could be there also as a decoy that the defense has to respect.
 

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The running back could be there also as a decoy that the defense has to respect.
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+1

Kind of like when we used to run the Green Line wildcat, and would leave the starting QB in. The defense had to leave in the personnel to defend our base offense.
 

Not a fan of the QB sneak near the goal line. It often comes down to an official's decision after a big pile-up and video review. Have a RB blast across the line and leave no freaking doubt. I like the sneak a lot more when used farther from the goal line. Yes, it worked, this time...
 

denguegopher said:
Not a fan of the QB sneak near the goal line. It often comes down to an official's decision after a big pile-up and video review. Have a RB blast across the line and leave no freaking doubt. I like the sneak a lot more when used farther from the goal line. Yes, it worked, this time...
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When it's this close, if you trust your Center-Guards and have a QB the size of Brosmer, I'm in favor of the sneak call.

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A hand off can take time to develop and allow a defender to blow it up.

Have to say during the whole sequence leading up to it and then the review I was flashing back to the 2015 Little Brown Jug game on the same Goal Line in which it failed.

In real time from my vantage point, I thought it was obvious Brosmer broke the plane. Of course, I am biased.
 
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I think there's a TE involved as well in the push.
 

Need to figure out how to score when it gets defended and when we are a couple inches outside the push zone,
 

Ope3 said:
When it's this close, if you trust your Center-Guards and have a QB the size of Brosmer, I'm in favor of the sneak call.

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A hand off can take time to develop and allow a defender to blow it up.

Have to say during the whole sequence leading up to it and then the review I was flashing back to the 2015 Little Brown Jug game on the same Goal Line in which it failed.

In real time from my vantage point, I thought it was obvious Brosmer broke the plane. Of course, I am biased.
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Yes, the sneak does work sometimes, and there are risks with allowing the play to develop. What I like the best is to do what Holtz did. Use the triple option near the goal line, The wishbone is a very good goal line offense, and the QB does not need to be a great runner, just be able to make a quick cut and he's in the end zone. Go Gophers!
 

denguegopher said:
Yes, the sneak does work sometimes, and there are risks with allowing the play to develop. What I like the best is to do what Holtz did. Use the triple option near the goal line, The wishbone is a very good goal line offense, and the QB does not need to be a great runner, just be able to make a quick cut and he's in the end zone. Go Gophers!
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I do wonder, if Bart Starr had gotten stuffed by the Cowboys in the Ice Bowl how popular would the play be?
 
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From the history books: pushing the runner was illegal throughout football until 2005 (see Bush Push controversy) and for some reason didn’t take off until the Eagles popularized it (not the band) 20 years later.
 



denguegopher said:
Not a fan of the QB sneak near the goal line. It often comes down to an official's decision after a big pile-up and video review. Have a RB blast across the line and leave no freaking doubt. I like the sneak a lot more when used farther from the goal line. Yes, it worked, this time...
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Ask Dallas how that worked out last night. Almost cost them the game getting blown up by a leaping LBer.
I think the next iteration of this is figuring out the push personnel. Why we don’t line up with double TE alongside it to essentially push against the guards back and make it a rugby scrum I don’t know. Or one tight to the qb to push and one comes in motion and the qb picks which guard he wants to go off off the call at the LOS.

Edit: and to make this more clear, I mean not trying to push Brosmer/the qb, I mean to leverage the LOS. Both TEs pushing on Brosmers back I don’t think you get as much force leverage with how you’re trying to apply the push
 
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#2Gopher said:
While I support the idea of a quarterback sneak, what I don't like is a running back making the push from behind. Wouldn't a linebacker or a very solid extra lineman be better to make the push into the end zone or for a first down?
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PMWinSTP said:
I think there's a TE involved as well in the push.
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There are two TEs involved.

Its the QB under center, with 2 TE's right behind him, and the RB behind the TEs.
 

denguegopher said:
Not a fan of the QB sneak near the goal line. It often comes down to an official's decision after a big pile-up and video review. Have a RB blast across the line and leave no freaking doubt. I like the sneak a lot more when used farther from the goal line. Yes, it worked, this time...
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I prefer the sneak to a hand off actually. Yes it did get dicey, but typically I feel like you at least get half a yard 90% of the time.
 

I wonder how far away we are from a chip in the ball that pinpoints precise ball location on each play.
 

btowngopher said:
I prefer the sneak to a hand off actually. Yes it did get dicey, but typically I feel like you at least get half a yard 90% of the time.
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Especially on this team.

Most of our running yards seemed to be the RB making good choices among ... chaos going on at the line over a wide area, not the typical goal line situation.
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
I wonder how far away we are from a chip in the ball that pinpoints precise ball location on each play.
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Why is this not already a thing? Something that can detect the ball and where it is located in relationship with the end zone. And put some kind of sensor on the 1st down line so the same thing can be done for 1st downs also. Then sync it with tv. So, for instance, if it's a situation where a runner's knee is down, you can stop the video at the exact moment the player's knee hits and reference exactly where the ball is at that moment in conjunction with the end zone/1st down.
 

A sneak is much harder to stop for no gain than a handoff to the RB.

Too bad the fumblerooski is no longer allowed, could have done that instead.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Why is this not already a thing? Something that can detect the ball and where it is located in relationship with the end zone. And put some kind of sensor on the 1st down line so the same thing can be done for 1st downs also. Then sync it with tv. So, for instance, if it's a situation where a runner's knee is down, you can stop the video at the exact moment the player's knee hits and reference exactly where the ball is at that moment in conjunction with the end zone/1st down.
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I've thought about this. My guess is that the chip would quickly be damaged by kicking, the ball hitting the ground and/or palyers diving for fumbles, etc.
 

GophersInIowa said:
A sneak is much harder to stop for no gain than a handoff to the RB.

Too bad the fumblerooski is no longer allowed, could have done that instead.
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Another fan in the stands asked me if the center can just run it in.

Not the worst thought, not legal, but almost fumblerooski like idea there.

But if that was legal center would just have to fall forward or even just move his hand forward on those one inch calls, no way to stop it.
 


Breakin' The Plane said:
I wonder how far away we are from a chip in the ball that pinpoints precise ball location on each play.
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Wonder how fast Harbaugh like coaches would descend upon the computer science department to hack the system?

Maybe thirty seconds to dial the right office.
 

denguegopher said:
I've thought about this. My guess is that the chip would quickly be damaged by kicking, the ball hitting the ground and/or palyers diving for fumbles, etc.
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I think damage would be less of an issue then the undertaking of getting the chip installed in the game balls that teams are using because they have a bunch of them getting shuttled on and off during the game and assume they go through many over the course of the season as well. Plus each team uses their own ball.

That said, I bet we are not all that far from something like this being a thing. Would help a ton with spotting the ball in those situations where you have to try and figure out where it is inside the mass of humanity.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Why is this not already a thing? Something that can detect the ball and where it is located in relationship with the end zone. And put some kind of sensor on the 1st down line so the same thing can be done for 1st downs also. Then sync it with tv. So, for instance, if it's a situation where a runner's knee is down, you can stop the video at the exact moment the player's knee hits and reference exactly where the ball is at that moment in conjunction with the end zone/1st down.
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Pfft........that's just another step to the Skynet machines taking over!

The world was a better place when my car got 40 rods to the hog's head for fuel efficiency. And give me 2 sticks & a chain! I love me some measurements with crowd gasps. Plus the simple pleasure of watching a D jump up & down, point the other way & run off the field the moment when the pole extends past the ball puts a smile on my face!

Of course, I'm also one to watch an Air Force-Navy game over a Alabama-Georgia game.........there'd be some unhappy people with me if I was named the college football czar!
 

FireDaveLee said:
Pfft........that's just another step to the Skynet machines taking over!

The world was a better place when my car got 40 rods to the hog's head for fuel efficiency. And give me 2 sticks & a chain! I love me some measurements with crowd gasps. Plus the simple pleasure of watching a D jump up & down, point the other way & run off the field the moment when the pole extends past the ball puts a smile on my face!

Of course, I'm also one to watch an Air Force-Navy game over a Alabama-Georgia game.........there'd be some unhappy people with me if I was named the college football czar!
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Still use a flip-phone and a checkbook, and importantly have never used an ATM. Doing just fine.
 


GophersInIowa said:
A sneak is much harder to stop for no gain than a handoff to the RB.

Too bad the fumblerooski is no longer allowed, could have done that instead.
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SC was crashing so hard from the edge with safeties there was a large possibility RB wouldn't make it to the LOS. Either had to pass or sneak.

I was actually on the field at the goal line and it appeared there was no doubt he broke the plain, we were all screaming at the side judge to rule TD and refused to do so. I thought PJ was going get a bench penalty he was going off on the officials so bad
 

denguegopher said:
I've thought about this. My guess is that the chip would quickly be damaged by kicking, the ball hitting the ground and/or palyers diving for fumbles, etc.
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Decades ago they put chips in the Fox Tracer hockey pucks that were being slapped around at 100 mph, so I would think it could work and I like the idea.
 

Ope3 said:
When it's this close, if you trust your Center-Guards and have a QB the size of Brosmer, I'm in favor of the sneak call.

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A hand off can take time to develop and allow a defender to blow it up.

Have to say during the whole sequence leading up to it and then the review I was flashing back to the 2015 Little Brown Jug game on the same Goal Line in which it failed.

In real time from my vantage point, I thought it was obvious Brosmer broke the plane. Of course, I am biased.
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If Jason Kelce were our center, the ball would have broken the plane before he even snapped the ball.
 

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