Postgame thoughts

People are complaining that Pitino should've called timeout with 5 second left in OT. I disagree in that circumstance, with our fast PG streaking down the floor, their defense not yet set, and us NEEDING a basket to tie or win.

The issue I think deserves discussion is that arguably somebody should've called timeout when King grabbed that rebound with 4 seconds left in REGULATION. Tie game, King with the ball, I call timeout right there and set up a play to pass the ball down court for a last second shot. Maybe we get fouled, etc. Lots can happen.
 

My thoughts...

- Great crowd. Great energy once we got back into the game. I went with a friend who's an OSU grad and he was very impressed with the barn and the crowd.

- As someone else said, this team is bad, but it's still fun to watch.

- As someone else said "We have four Seniors, if this is a rebuilding year, what does that make next year?".

- I don't blame Pitino for not taking a time out at the end. What for? Too let OSU get set defensively and then run a play that we can't execute? Our best shot was letting Lil Dre race up court and make something happen. It didn't work out and the better team won.

- Lil Dre is solid, but limited offensively due to his size. I enjoy him and what he does, but look forward to next year when we start fresh with the new guards and Mason.

- Dre Hollins pulling it out of the ditch is our only shot at winning some games this year. Pitino is still on his honeymoon, so people are being nice, but if it was Tubby at the helm people would be asking how a player like Dre could "regress" this much under a coach? I really think Dre is a player who's better with the ball in his hands. While he doesn't drive the hoop very well, he can create his own shot off the dribble. Without the ball in his hands he has a hard time getting open due to his lack of athleticism.

- Mason is the most complete player on the team, hands down. He plays ferocious defense and really shut down their stud Freshman after he'd been abusing Dre Hollins. He also has a swagger and confidence that this team is desperately lacking. He's probably the toughest guy on the team as far as I can tell. That said, he still has some things to work on. He still gets lost on defense at times. Against Maryland it was so bad, Carlos Morris bad in fact, that he sat for a good chunk of the game. He's also a poor free throw shooter. I've been thinking all year that a PG has to be better at the line than he is and that it would hurt us at some point this year. Last night was that night.

- Carlos Morris is maybe the worst defender I've seen since...Charles Buggs. Ugh. He's a guy who needs to sit and be taught by the coach when he messes up, but with McNeil looking at jail time, we have no other option but to let him play through it. Not only is he awful on defense, he's really not that great on offense either. His shot selection is brutal. His basketball IQ, is just not that high. The drop off from Austin Hollins last year to Carlos Morris is huge.

- Charles Buggs is brutal as well. He looks like a carton character out there. Like he's not even taking it seriously. He just doesn't get it and he's a pretty old player (21 y/o) to not get it yet. Add in the fact that he's booby soft, and it's not pretty. To put it in perspective, Joey King is our starting PF, Carlos Morris is our starting SF, we have no reserves ahead of him and Buggs can only get a total of 6 minutes backing up both of them.

- Joey King does the best he can. He's completely outclassed playing PF in the B1G, but at least conceptually, he understands what he's supposed to do. I'd like to see him try a little harder at rebounding and boxing out (looks like he has T-Rex arms when he boxes out), but he's physically outclassed against every single PF in the B1G conference, so it is what it is. I remember a lot of debate about this last year, but does anyone think Oto wouldn't be an upgrade right now if healthy and eligible?

- Apparently Bakary & Gaston between them aren't capable of giving us one single minute. Doesn't inspire much confidence for next year, does it?

- Mo is what he is. He can score with his finesse stuff, but If we had a "soft" contest, he and Buggs would face each other in the finals. He gets the ball ripped away by guys half his size consistently. He doesn't box out at all. He doesn't rebound unless it falls into his lap and only then if it's below the rim. On that note, he may be the shortest 6'11" player in basketball. Everything is below the rim. Lay ups, finger rolls, tip ins. He's not the reason we're not playing well, but he's frustrating to watch because I really get the feeling his problem is lack of effort, not lack of talent.

- Elliot of course is like a photo negative of Mo. With Mo, you have to check his pulse every two minutes to make sure he's still breathing. With Elliot you have to shoot him with a tranquilizer dart every two minutes to calm him down. He really provided the spark last night that led to our comeback with his defensive aggressiveness and scrappiness under the basket. He is literally the only big on the team who wants to rebound.

- We absolutely HAVE to find a willing rebounder at PF for next year. Even someone like an Andre Ingram (who took a ton of abuse on GH) would be a huge, huge upgrade. Next year we return Mason, bring in Jarvis & Dorsey, so the future should be bright in the back court. We also bring in McBrayer & hopefully Ellison (who visited last night) to play with Morris at SF. At Center we have Bakary (couldn't earn a single minute last night) and Nwanko. I like what I've seen of Nwanko. He looks like he'll rebound and plays with power, but he's limited offensively and will probably be in foul trouble all the time, as many Freshmen bigs are. That leaves PF, where we return King and Buggs. We HAVE to find a PF who will rebound or it'll be another long season.

"Booby soft" That's good; can I use that?
 


Uh.. Not sure why people are making the assumption we will make the NIT. We are several wins away from the minimum requirement and in total freefall.

I wondered at times last night why we don't play some of our marginally talented bench players over our marginally talented starters. Then I saw how Morris plays defense against a good team and figured it out.

Someone asked how this could be a rebuilding year with all the seniors. Hollins is either hurt or quit the team but hasn't let anyone know yet. Walker wasn't good enough to start on a couple of bad gopher teams for two years so the fact he is a senior is pretty irrelevant. He wasn't as good as an average Big 10 Big man freshman until this year. Eliason was marginally better than Walker in those first years and has worked super hard to become marginally worse than Walker 4 years later. Mathieu is playing his butt off but can't do it alone. King is hard worker, decent shooter, but can't dribble and can't finish inside.

Only bright side to this season is we have above average ball handling for a Gopher team. Mathieu, Morris, Hollins, Mason can all actually dribble the ball. That's been the best part to watch.

We have a lot better chance of making the NCAA Tournament than missing the NIT. If we go on a run, which we are certainly capable of, we could easily make the NCAA Tournament still. We really aren't that far from bring 2-1.
 

I was OK with not calling a timeout at the end there but did feel like they should have called one at the end of regulation, there was still a bit of time left and they could have saved a good amount of time by inbounding the ball from backcourt to front court and gotten a better look. I'm reminded of a game a few years ago at Wisconsin where Wisconsin took a 2 pt lead on a lucky shot that bounced up of rim and went in with few secs left, gophers inbounded it around center court, and tubby instantly called time out with little over a sec left, from there the were able to inbound the ball inside to mbakwe where he got fouled, we ended missing the 2nd of the 2 shots and lost but the coaching leading up to that play was good, don't get why more coaches don't do that instead of having their team throw up a prayer from half court

Oops, missed this. I agree. ESPECIALLY when the rebound landed in the hands of slow Joey King.
 



This team also needs a coach who can figure out what match-ups are working and not working and not have to wait until the 2nd half to make the changes needed.
 


This team also needs a coach who can figure out what match-ups are working and not working and not have to wait until the 2nd half to make the changes needed.

Agreed. I think Pitino gets too much of a pass on these pages. While I felt it was time for Tubby to go, I wasn't thrilled that a 31 year old coach with one year of mid-major head coaching experience was hired. For the most part, the Big Ten is a conference of veteran coaches who have earned their stripes and have had years of trial and error in honing their craft. It's not the best competitive environment for learning on the job.

Pitino seems to distrust experimentation. I wish he also distrusted doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results. I know the competition was inferior in non-conference, but I thought that three forward combination of Elliot, Bakary, and either Buggs or Joey that he tried off the bench in nonconference worked fairly well and could be used more often and for longer stretches now. Mo has no business playing 36 minutes a game and I think the guards get a little too gassed as well with 4 guards in playing in a constant three guard lineup.
 




King's buzzer shot just landed in Fridley...

great line, but actually he was shooting (throwing) at the other basket-- so South St Paul or Cottage Grove would be more geographically accurate.

Never mind, I tried it out-loud both ways-- Fridley is more funny
 

Instant changes (new coach - a few new players) won't equal instant success. I think Pitino is on a 4 year plan. Similar to the 'brick by brick' plan for the football team. Yes, it's frustrating to get through these first couple of years - but I don't think much can be done until Pitino gets a full team of players that can play his style. Let's all take a deep breath and be patient - once again. It's hard to be a Gopher basketball fan these days, but let's see how this team improves over the next couple of years. Thought this team was going to be a top tier BT team this year - but that looks like it's not going to happen.
 

Thank God he is having his best defensive year or the Buckeye freshman may have rung up 50 in the first half.

You're missing the point. I think Ryan James is trying to say that Andre would dominate in the Southern Conference.
 



Instant changes (new coach - a few new players) won't equal instant success. I think Pitino is on a 4 year plan. Similar to the 'brick by brick' plan for the football team. Yes, it's frustrating to get through these first couple of years - but I don't think much can be done until Pitino gets a full team of players that can play his style. Let's all take a deep breath and be patient - once again. It's hard to be a Gopher basketball fan these days, but let's see how this team improves over the next couple of years. Thought this team was going to be a top tier BT team this year - but that looks like it's not going to happen.

Richard should have taken some notes from Jerry Kill on managing expectations. I know there's a possibility that the Gophers can righten this, but they're digging a hole that has gotten deeper with each game. Then we're going into next year with two guys who are rawer than hell being expected to make major contributions as our most experienced bigs. I'm with the folks already looking toward next year and shaking their heads.

The problem with a four year plan now is unrealistic expectations followed by disappointment. Then the media piles on and starts the ridicule, fans get surly, and apathy sets in once again. Recruiting is tough enough here without all of the extra BS. There's the lack of success; there's all the good coaches you're going up against; there's the lack of facilities compared to others; and there's the gad damn weather. Did the road trip to the Citrus Bowl and had a lot of exchanges with everyone from other fans to motel clerks to people in restaurants, etc. I'll bet 90% of them at least mentioned the weather first when they found out I was from Minnesota. Don't care about statistical comparisons between us and Madison or Ann Arbor. It's the image we have and it doesn't make the job any easier.

Still think Richard can pull it off, but not a 100% confident. (But if he does, then we'll worry ourselves sick about him bolting. Life of a Gopher fan. sigh)
 

As many people have said, I like this team. Mason is going to be great, Mathieu is a blast to watch. That said:

- I think there is no question that Hollins is having a weird stretch. His ball handling used to be so steady and confidence inspiring. Or was that the contrast with Maverick? Now he seems to loose it without provocation. I don't know what to say about this, but that I hope he pulls out of it. Lets face it, he's a smart guy who will be successful outside of basketball.

- Buggs. Well, sometimes I like to watch him because, as CRG said, he's a bit of a cartoon character. After we make a shot, he sometimes bends over and stares at the ball until the other team grabs it for inbounding. Sometimes he jumps around as if he's trying to startle the opposing players. Remember his recruitment? we were always trying to find out something, somewhere about him, stats, film... but nothing. We're starting to understand why. No idea how he ended up here.

- We have a bunch of guys that we should be lighting candles in a chapel for, because we better hope they are ready to be more than we can reasonably expect them to be. King, Eliason, even Walker are all players not quite up to the task of primetime starters in the BT but here they are, and they are what they are and clearly working their butts off. I don't have any breath to really complain about these three.

- Josh Martin is Pitino's first mistake. I have no complaints with him about the other 2 guys who left. But then our experienced big man problem for next year is the sort of thing that could cause one to loose sleep, if you don't have enough troubling you now. Hopefully the 2 Africans are getting ready to destroy the league. It could happen. Or we could be lighting more candles.

- I'd say that in a way, the honeymoon period is over with Pitino, which is just fine. The reality that we were trying to get the next big thing before he's a big thing, is evident. That's ok. I like him, and its a fun team to watch.
 

Wasn't Austin Hollins' at the game? I thought I saw him sitting near Dieng.
 

As many people have said, I like this team. Mason is going to be great, Mathieu is a blast to watch. That said:

- I think there is no question that Hollins is having a weird stretch. His ball handling used to be so steady and confidence inspiring. Or was that the contrast with Maverick? Now he seems to loose it without provocation. I don't know what to say about this, but that I hope he pulls out of it. Lets face it, he's a smart guy who will be successful outside of basketball.

- Buggs. Well, sometimes I like to watch him because, as CRG said, he's a bit of a cartoon character. After we make a shot, he sometimes bends over and stares at the ball until the other team grabs it for inbounding. Sometimes he jumps around as if he's trying to startle the opposing players. Remember his recruitment? we were always trying to find out something, somewhere about him, stats, film... but nothing. We're starting to understand why. No idea how he ended up here.

- We have a bunch of guys that we should be lighting candles in a chapel for, because we better hope they are ready to be more than we can reasonably expect them to be. King, Eliason, even Walker are all players not quite up to the task of primetime starters in the BT but here they are, and they are what they are and clearly working their butts off. I don't have any breath to really complain about these three.

- Josh Martin is Pitino's first mistake. I have no complaints with him about the other 2 guys who left. But then our experienced big man problem for next year is the sort of thing that could cause one to loose sleep, if you don't have enough troubling you now. Hopefully the 2 Africans are getting ready to destroy the league. It could happen. Or we could be lighting more candles.

- I'd say that in a way, the honeymoon period is over with Pitino, which is just fine. The reality that we were trying to get the next big thing before he's a big thing, is evident. That's ok. I like him, and its a fun team to watch.

Love your blurb about Buggs. Yeah, a cartoon character and a mystery man. "No idea how he ended up here." That's beautiful. To paraphrase Butch Cassidy, "Who is that guy?" You make me want to focus in on him in the next game.

Overall, a marvelous post, Moonlight. You've sort of made my evening.
 


Wasn't Austin Hollins' at the game? I thought I saw him sitting near Dieng.

Yes he was there, near Dieng, Levine, and Wiggins. Also Jarvis Johnson and Ryan Saunders. A few other former Gophers but no Hoff that I saw anyway.
 


Today and beyond

Most preseason magazine had us from 7th to 11th in the big ten. This range is still where i see this team. With our best player or scorer only averaging 7 pts in the big ten so far it is hard for this team to make that up, only have his average of last year. I hope Dre can get healthy, he isnt the same player.

We rebounded well, we both had 12 off rebounds, and we outrebounded them 35-34. What i saw was to many easy baskets, dunks, layups. They had 23 assists because of these fast break, defensive breakdowns. When we press not having a rim protector and rebounder like EE in there could be a big cause. On the other hand MO is playing the best post basketball on the offensive end of probably anyone in the big ten. Neither could guard their "4" Loving who can shoot 3's. And neither can play the wing in a 2-3 defense.
 

Yes he was there, near Dieng, Levine, and Wiggins. Also Jarvis Johnson and Ryan Saunders. A few other former Gophers but no Hoff that I saw anyway.

hoff was there. gh had a bunch of tweets with pics of the guys there. dieng, wiggins, lavine, saunders, shamala, nolen, austin, and a few others as well.
 

Most preseason magazine had us from 7th to 11th in the big ten. This range is still where i see this team. With our best player or scorer only averaging 7 pts in the big ten so far it is hard for this team to make that up, only have his average of last year. I hope Dre can get healthy, he isnt the same player.

We rebounded well, we both had 12 off rebounds, and we outrebounded them 35-34. What i saw was to many easy baskets, dunks, layups. They had 23 assists because of these fast break, defensive breakdowns. When we press not having a rim protector and rebounder like EE in there could be a big cause. On the other hand MO is playing the best post basketball on the offensive end of probably anyone in the big ten. Neither could guard their "4" Loving who can shoot 3's. And neither can play the wing in a 2-3 defense.

Most of the dunks were not off the fast break. I recall one where Andre got beat down the floor, but not a lot else. The dunks mostly came off of cuts to the bucket that we lost guys on. Morris got lost, King, Buggs and others in the half court defense.
 

Love your blurb about Buggs. Yeah, a cartoon character and a mystery man. "No idea how he ended up here." That's beautiful. To paraphrase Butch Cassidy, "Who is that guy?" You make me want to focus in on him in the next game.

Overall, a marvelous post, Moonlight. You've sort of made my evening.
Thanks - very fun to hear that.
Yeah, 'who is that guy?', and the only one who knows got run out of town.
 




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