Johnnyboy18
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UST Superfan on GH!At least you waited until the Gophers past UST in the KenPom rankings before you puffed your chest… comical. Scrub
UST Superfan on GH!At least you waited until the Gophers past UST in the KenPom rankings before you puffed your chest… comical. Scrub
Such a dishonest comparison to make. Basically Pitino's entire team was gone and Ben Johnson had a couple months to slap together what he could. The years prior to them taking over is irrelevant in this case.
Never had a problem admitting it. Most of the state didn’t go to the U. Your logic cleans most of the state doesn’t root for the U or can’t be fansHe went to St. Thomas. He finally admitted that after I continually challenged him & others.
Who cares why they are ranked 7th, at the end of the day, they are 7th. Maybe each of the rankings should have literally asterisks on them with side notes to make people like you happier…so the gophers class looks better.I don't know which Wet_Blanket post to comment on. It's like wading through .
False, but keep making things up.
It's not hard to look at. No one needs an asterisk it's literally right there for the world to see unless you're trolling but we know you are! FraudWho cares why they are ranked 7th, at the end of the day, they are 7th. Maybe each of the rankings should have literally asterisks on them with side notes to make people like you happier…so the gophers class looks better.
Look, it’s good…but many other Big10 programs are better. Could Ben do better if he had more scholarships available…maybe…but we have to play within the constructs of the system we play in. Ben constructed the roster and he has to live and die by that.
The question was:Pikiell finished last in the B1G his first two seasons, but here's the difference.
Rankings via Ken Pom, year prior to Pikiell's hiring:
Overall: 279 Offense: 303 Defense: 236
Year 1
Overall: 135 Offense: 231 Defense: 70
Year 2
Overall: 130 Offense: 270 Defense: 28
Despite the losses they were showing significant improvement, especially with Pikiell's defensive system, and you would see them win 7 games in the B1G in year 3, and remain a top 6 B1G team years 4-6.
Last year of Pitino:
Overall: 62 Offense: 76 Defense: 56
Year 1 of Ben
Overall: 109 Offense: 93 Defense: 153
Year 2 so far
Overall: 175 Offense: 196 Defense: 151
There's a lot of season left to play, but that's not an optimistic trend for Ben and the Gophers.
All of those also had proven success (I don’t know of Randy Bennet resume prior to St Mary’s) prior to their current schoolsThe question was:
examples of coaches within the last 10 years who have had a tough couple of years and went on to be very successful.
Didnt say anything about KenPom or any other sh:t, so kind of hard when it’s limited to 10 years.
A Coach can struggle in the first two years and then find success.
Jamie Dixon at TCU struggled after the the first two years and now has them playing well
Randy Bennet at St. Mary’s ( he’s outside the 10 year window) struggled early but has had much success after that.
Tony Bennett at Virginia( just outside the 10 year window) is another who started slow the first two years.
Rick Barnes at Tennessee was under .500 in conference the first two year and below it overall those years.
[All of those also had proven success (I don’t know of Randy Bennet resume prior to St Mary’s) prior to their current schools
What's false about it? What am I making up? Pitino's team in 20-21 went 6-14 in the Big Ten. And those wins were more or less on the back of Carr. He wasn't coming back. The most talented of the younger guys (Mashburn) wasn't coming back. Robbins wasn't coming back.
Basically the best pieces from a 6-14 team were leaving regardless. So please tell me how Ben Johnson was working with a solid foundation when he took the job....and how Pikiell was walking into a much worse situation.
lol. Great real, goon.
I’m just saying the names you provided Dixon, Barnes, & Tony Bennett all had success at previous schools, where CBJ does not. So while they may have bad records in their first two years, they had big success at other school, so not everything was built on hope.All of those also had proven success (I don’t know of Randy Bennet resume prior to St Mary’s) prior to their current schoo
The question was:
examples of coaches within the last 10 years who have had a tough couple of years and went on to be very successful.
Didnt say anything about KenPom or any other sh:t, so kind of hard when it’s limited to 10 years.
A Coach can struggle in the first two years and then find success.
Jamie Dixon at TCU struggled after the the first two years and now has them playing well
Randy Bennet at St. Mary’s ( he’s outside the 10 year window) struggled early but has had much success after that.
Tony Bennett at Virginia( just outside the 10 year window) is another who started slow the first two years.
Rick Barnes at Tennessee was under .500 in conference the first two year and below it overall those years.
And Barnes (pretty good at Texas prior), Tony Bennett (was a hot coach at Washington State), Jamie Dixon (really good at Pitt), (honestly I don’t know about Randy Bennet prior to St Mary’s off the top of my head).You can struggle in the first few years as a coach record wise as long as you can point to something you've improved at the program you're coaching. Ben has nothing to point at today. That's the point of using metrics outside of win/losses. Everything is worse now under Ben, including wins/losses.
Dixon won the NIT in year 1 and went to the NCAA tournament in year 2. Randy Bennett in the West Coast Conference, really? Still went 6-8 in conference in year 2. Tony Bennett has never finished close to last in the ACC, even in year 1. Same goes for Rick Barnes at Tennessee.
Terrible examples.
When did I say he was working from a solid foundation? He had pieces that could help his team and he didn't recruit them to stay. That resulted in a last place finish last season, and will likely lead to two last place finishes in a row this season.
When was the last time that has happened in Gopher basketball history? Never? But keep defending how terrible Ben has been.
You can struggle in the first few years as a coach record wise as long as you can point to something you've improved at the program you're coaching. Ben has nothing to point at today. That's the point of using metrics outside of win/losses. Everything is worse now under Ben, including wins/losses.
Dixon won the NIT in year 1 and went to the NCAA tournament in year 2. Randy Bennett in the West Coast Conference, really? Still went 6-8 in conference in year 2. Tony Bennett has never finished close to last in the ACC, even in year 1. Same goes for Rick Barnes at Tennessee.
Terrible examples.
You also need to stop ignoring the context and understanding of where the players were at. Literally Carr and Mashburn were in. Gabe hadn’t filed but it was known he was gone. Liam was just waiting on his uncle. That leaves Brandon Johnson, Ihnen, Williams, Both, Freeman, and Mitchell. What part of that group screams “I want you here to build something?”. Of course Ben only chased Ihnen and Johnson of the latter and almost changed Gabes mind. Both was also welcomed back. It’s not like there was a ton that were worth keeping who were willing to listen.Completely false, and people like you need to stop repeating this disinformation. There were only 2 people in the portal when Ben arrived, Carr and Mashburn. Everyone else would enter the portal in the weeks after he was the coach here.
Did Pikiell have a job before Rutgers? I think we need to look at a first time coaches.Rutgers took last place in Pikiell's first two seasons at Rutgers.
So you answered my question....you are just going to troll and b@#ch and whine as long as Ben Johnson is the coach. Why don't you just go to St. Thomas's message board? And take Barry Zevan with you.I’m just saying the names you provided Dixon, Barnes, & Tony Bennett all had success at previous schools, where CBJ does not. So while they may have bad records in their first two years, they had big success at other school, so not everything was built on hope.
Finding a comparison to CBJ is going to be hard at the P5 level, it willl have to be an nba guy as most other coaches have an extensive track record prior to becoming a B10 coach.
The best comparison would be looking at first time coaches. Who have survived horrendous starts to be successful.
Did Pikiell have a job before Rutgers? I think we need to look at a first time coaches.
Any comparison you make he is going to say it's a bad comparison.Who cares. Finished last in the Big Ten his first two seasons before finishing third to last in his third season.
"Ben has nothing to point at today?" If you can't see there is improvement in the team and in the level of talent (including the guys recruited for next year, who remain unknown but clearly are a level above our "normal" recruits) compared to the previous guy, you don't have a very good idea of what talent looks like.You can struggle in the first few years as a coach record wise as long as you can point to something you've improved at the program you're coaching. Ben has nothing to point at today. That's the point of using metrics outside of win/losses. Everything is worse now under Ben, including wins/losses.
Dixon won the NIT in year 1 and went to the NCAA tournament in year 2. Randy Bennett in the West Coast Conference, really? Still went 6-8 in conference in year 2. Tony Bennett has never finished close to last in the ACC, even in year 1. Same goes for Rick Barnes at Tennessee.
Terrible examples.
Or else Wisconsin...Roland Brooks has been smooching their backsides on here.UST Superfan on GH!
Some were denying that there are fans of other teams on here. I adamantly disagreed...and then a few of your were honest enough to admit it.Never had a problem admitting it. Most of the state didn’t go to the U. Your logic cleans most of the state doesn’t root for the U or can’t be fans
Let's analyze this fairly, logically, & honestly.Who cares why they are ranked 7th, at the end of the day, they are 7th. Maybe each of the rankings should have literally asterisks on them with side notes to make people like you happier…so the gophers class looks better.
Look, it’s good…but many other Big10 programs are better. Could Ben do better if he had more scholarships available…maybe…but we have to play within the constructs of the system we play in. Ben constructed the roster and he has to live and die by that.
Clem did a ground-up rebuild. 2-16 & 4-14 in his first 2 years. Then Sweet-16 when his guys became juniors & sophomores.When did I say he was working from a solid foundation? He had pieces that could help his team and he didn't recruit them to stay. That resulted in a last place finish last season, and will likely lead to two last place finishes in a row this season.
When was the last time that has happened in Gopher basketball history? Never? But keep defending how terrible Ben has been.
You also need to stop ignoring the context and understanding of where the players were at. Literally Carr and Mashburn were in. Gabe hadn’t filed but it was known he was gone. Liam was just waiting on his uncle. That leaves Brandon Johnson, Ihnen, Williams, Both, Freeman, and Mitchell. What part of that group screams “I want you here to build something?”. Of course Ben only chased Ihnen and Johnson of the latter and almost changed Gabes mind. Both was also welcomed back. It’s not like there was a ton that were worth keeping who were willing to listen.
Only ones I would’ve wanted were Johnson and Gabe. The rest wouldn’t have helped imo if we want to build something sustainable. Most teams play 8. The 8th guy isn’t normally more than a 8 minutes. Trust 7 play 8We basically played 5 guys last season, a path we've started to head down again this season. Even adding 2-3 of those guys would have helped the depth significantly, especially Johnson in the frontcourt. That could have added a few more wins and kept them out of last place.
Only ones I would’ve wanted were Johnson and Gabe. The rest wouldn’t have helped imo if we want to build something sustainable. Most teams play 8. The 8th guy isn’t normally more than a 8 minutes. Trust 7 play 8