Picture of missed hold on last Iowa TD run

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Mulligan said:
Yes, there were some horse bleep calls or non-calls but stop with the conspiracy crap. If another site was doing this some of the same GHers would be wetting themselves over the whining by other fans. We're on the road. We're playing against well-established veteran coaches. We're underdogs. Don't doubt for a minute that can contribute to referee bias. But some people act like there's a memo somewhere telling refs to screw the Gophers.
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As everyone's favorite analyst on ESPN would say, "Not so fast my friend". I agree there are no memos but private conversations are definitely a possibility. It is a known fact that some of the College Basketball tournaments of the 1940s were "rigged". Some of this talk is bologna I agree but here is a website devoted to the subject. Think about it. If OSU and Iowa both lose there goes a huge amount of money that the BIG loses.

http://sportsfraud.blogspot.com/

Again this is just my own opinion.
 

Friend of the U said:
As everyone's favorite analyst on ESPN would say, "Not so fast my friend". I agree there are no memos but private conversations are definitely a possibility. It is a known fact that some of the College Basketball tournaments of the 1940s were "rigged". Some of this talk is bologna I agree but here is a website devoted to the subject. Think about it. If OSU and Iowa both lose there goes a huge amount of money that the BIG loses.

http://sportsfraud.blogspot.com/

Again this is just my own opinion.
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Clicked the link out of curiosity. I can't tell if this guy is serious or just having fun with the idiots. But apparently it is all the freemasons and everyone (players, coaches, media....literally everyone) is in on it and no one will talk out of fear for their lives......good stuff there.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Clicked the link out of curiosity. I can't tell if this guy is serious or just having fun with the idiots. But apparently it is all the freemasons and everyone (players, coaches, media....literally everyone) is in on it and no one will talk out of fear for their lives......good stuff there.
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Here's a link to the Basketball games that were fixed in the 40's. The tragedy of this is that this stuff has continued through the decades. If you google this subject all kinds of information appears. It just seems to be highly coincidental that tOSU and Iowa seem to be protected from bad calls while the gophers and lower tier BIG teams seem to get shafted at key times in some of their games. Maybe this is a coincidence but when it happens in key games involving potentially millions of dollars you can't help but become suspicious. Especially the final Iowa TD when it happened right in front of everyone including the referee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCNY_point_shaving_scandal
 

Mulligan said:
Yes, there were some horse bleep calls or non-calls but stop with the conspiracy crap. If another site was doing this some of the same GHers would be wetting themselves over the whining by other fans. We're on the road. We're playing against well-established veteran coaches. We're underdogs. Don't doubt for a minute that can contribute to referee bias. But some people act like there's a memo somewhere telling refs to screw the Gophers.
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Follow the money. Sometimes it is that simple.
 

Mulligan said:
Yes, there were some horse bleep calls or non-calls but stop with the conspiracy crap. If another site was doing this some of the same GHers would be wetting themselves over the whining by other fans. We're on the road. We're playing against well-established veteran coaches. We're underdogs. Don't doubt for a minute that can contribute to referee bias. But some people act like there's a memo somewhere telling refs to screw the Gophers.
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If refs are making calls based on anything other than the merits of the call, isn't that offensive regardless of the reason they are doing it?
 




I think it is possible some officials are dirty, or horribly biased and should be fired. However, I clicked on that link, sportsfraud, and that guy is as whacked out as Iowa fans. A snippet:

For example, there's a massive conspiracy going on right now in government agencies and the news media to cover up the fact that most of us are going to be killed very soon when Planet X goes raging through the solar system and causes an extinction level event here on Earth. You can read all about that here:
http://brussellsprout.blogspot.com/
 

Cayman said:
From Buckyville:

"If they continue to let the left tackle hold the right DE, Iowa is going to win this one easily."

"That was an extremely weak holding call on the 4th down play against Minnesota. Especially considering the stuff Iowa has gotten away with."

"And then Iowa runs into the kicker but they pick the flag up because he briefly brushed against a blocker?"

"Refs missed a blatant hold on Iowa on the TD run. Olineman wrapped his arms entirely around the linebacker creating the huge hole."

Even Wisconsin fans think we got screwed. Granted they probably hate Iowa almost as much as they hate us. They seem to hate a lot of things over there.
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Wisconsin fans pointing to another team's blatant holding on the OL? That's rich. Their football and basketball teams are serial muggers. Even Maryland fans know this.
 



Every OL can be flagged for holding on every offensive play. It's the nature of the game in the trenches. I will agree that the OP's picture is as blatant as it gets. And I know that the BIG conference has conspired against the Gophers to keep the dynasty in check, since 1960. It must be very frustrating. Good luck the rest of the season.
 

lightning1 said:
Every OL can be flagged for holding on every offensive play. It's the nature of the game in the trenches. I will agree that the OP's picture is as blatant as it gets. And I know that the BIG conference has conspired against the Gophers to keep the dynasty in check, since 1960. It must be very frustrating. Good luck the rest of the season.
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Iowa has a very good team and has no reason to apologize for getting some beneficial calls. I also don't think it's a conspiracy against the Gophers in particular. I will say though, that the Big Ten has a financial interest in having as many undefeated/highly ranked teams as possible. It just so happens the Gophers have played 3 of those teams in a row. If the roles were reversed on Saturday, maybe it would have been the Gophers getting all the calls.
 

Catechol said:
That was a miss but Poock took the wrong angle anyway, and it's likely the RB gets the 1 yard for a first down even without the holding. Then Iowa just runs out the clock. Iowa scoring so quickly actually allowed the time for the Gophers to score and at least attempt an onside kick.
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This is the correct answer. If they call holding there Iowa is going to run the clock out as there are 2 minutes left and the Gophers have no timeouts. The best thing for the Gophers was Iowa scoring and giving the Gophers a chance to get the ball with some time left. The running back should have just fallen down after he got the first down and Iowa should have just run the clock out.
 

3Jack said:
This is the correct answer. If they call holding there Iowa is going to run the clock out as there are 2 minutes left and the Gophers have no timeouts. The best thing for the Gophers was Iowa scoring and giving the Gophers a chance to get the ball with some time left. The running back should have just fallen down after he got the first down and Iowa should have just run the clock out.
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But it would have made it second and long. They could have stopped them and then gotten the ball back with less time, but it's only a one score game.
 



Friend of the U said:
It just seems to be highly coincidental that tOSU and Iowa seem to be protected from bad calls while the gophers and lower tier BIG teams seem to get shafted at key times in some of their games. Maybe this is a coincidence but when it happens in key games involving potentially millions of dollars you can't help but become suspicious.
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Then what part of the conspiracy was Michigan State's loss at Nebraska? Michigan State being undefeated was guaranteed a spot in the playoff. Unbeaten Ohio State beats Michigan State in a thriller on Sat. MSU would have one close loss on the road vs. the defending national champs.

Pac 12 all has two losses. The Big 12 could all hand each other a second loss....maybe OK state survives. Clemson could lose to N Carolina.

But some guy in a replay booth said the Nebraska receiver was pushed out. Why would the Big Ten allow that to happen?
 

MNVCGUY said:
Lingen did everything right on that play except release when the play got past. The defensive player is clearly trying to disengage and go for the play and can't get free, only way that happens is if Lingen has a nice hold of his jersey preventing him from getting away. If Lingen just lets go it is a great block.
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How would you propose anybody ever block, then? Just go at them with your elbows and closed fists to make sure they can slide off your block whenever they want? It's impossible to block without grabbing some jersey. That's why the standard is grabbing inside the numbers, keeping your elbows inside, and moving your feet to stay in front of the defender. This is a textbook block and an inexcusable holding call.

I think the claims that the refs were fixing the game are ridiculous, though. This is the same crew that called the Nebraska-MSU debacle and handed MSU the loss with a brutal missed call. I think officials have a tough job, and a lot of them just aren't very good at it. This flag was thrown by a side judge who had no angle on the play and had absolutely no business throwing that flag, precisely because there is no way he could properly gauge Lingen's hand placement. Generally, flags for interior blocks are thrown by the official behind the LOS because that's the ref who can correctly see the play. He didn't call holding all night, but the side judge decided to throw this flag. Our holding on a punt return was thrown by a ref 40 yards from the play--also ridiculous. When the ref announced the penalty would be enforced "10 yards from the spot of the foul," I remember thinking the guy who threw the flag would've needed binoculars to figure out the spot of the foul. It seemed like some of the refs were letting them play on Saturday, some were throwing flags with lousy angles on the play, and we ran afoul of the more litigious refs, for whatever reason.
 


Studwell55 said:
Poock wasn't going to make that tackle.
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Even if he doesn't make the tackle I think he at least forces Daniels to cut back into other tacklers. This isn't soccer - the refs don't get to decide when it's a "play on" situation.

Funny as I watched the replay of that play I noticed probably 2 other holds by Iowa. I just need to stop looking at that game!!!
 

dannygopher9100 said:
But it would have made it second and long. They could have stopped them and then gotten the ball back with less time, but it's only a one score game.
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And given Iowa 25 seconds on the play clock with the game clock moving. Iowa is then in a position to run the clock out. At best you get the ball with a couple of seconds left. Iowa scoring a TD there is the best thing that could have happened at that point given the clock and the lack of timeouts.
 

Word said:
Even if he doesn't make the tackle I think he at least forces Daniels to cut back into other tacklers. This isn't soccer - the refs don't get to decide when it's a "play on" situation.

Funny as I watched the replay of that play I noticed probably 2 other holds by Iowa. I just need to stop looking at that game!!!
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You do need to stop because it doesn't matter. Iowa is going to drain the clock and the game is pretty much over if Minnesota accepts a holding penalty there. They'd be better off declining it and letting Iowa have the TD.
 

3Jack said:
You do need to stop because it doesn't matter. Iowa is going to drain the clock and the game is pretty much over if Minnesota accepts a holding penalty there. They'd be better off declining it and letting Iowa have the TD.
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Are you saying that with 2nd and 16 and over 2 minutes left in the game that Iowa could have for sure run the clock out? The gophers were only down by 5 at that point. If we stop Iowa from getting a first down we would get the ball back with about 1 minute left and a chance to drive the field (and return a punt) and win the game with a touchdown. I don't see how letting Iowa score there is a better way to go.
 

3Jack said:
This is the correct answer. If they call holding there Iowa is going to run the clock out as there are 2 minutes left and the Gophers have no timeouts. The best thing for the Gophers was Iowa scoring and giving the Gophers a chance to get the ball with some time left. The running back should have just fallen down after he got the first down and Iowa should have just run the clock out.
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To me this non-call is a representation of how the night went and that is what frustrates me about it. Iowa got away with a lot of obvious holding calls while we get called for a questionable one at a very critical time.
 

Maximus said:
Then what part of the conspiracy was Michigan State's loss at Nebraska? Michigan State being undefeated was guaranteed a spot in the playoff. Unbeaten Ohio State beats Michigan State in a thriller on Sat. MSU would have one close loss on the road vs. the defending national champs.

Pac 12 all has two losses. The Big 12 could all hand each other a second loss....maybe OK state survives. Clemson could lose to N Carolina.

But some guy in a replay booth said the Nebraska receiver was pushed out. Why would the Big Ten allow that to happen?
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The guy in the replay booth could not have determined whether or not the receiver was pushed out. The only thing he could review was whether or not there was contact.
 

Word said:
Are you saying that with 2nd and 16 and over 2 minutes left in the game that Iowa could have for sure run the clock out? The gophers were only down by 5 at that point. If we stop Iowa from getting a first down we would get the ball back with about 1 minute left and a chance to drive the field (and return a punt) and win the game with a touchdown. I don't see how letting Iowa score there is a better way to go.
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Iowa would get 25 seconds on the play clock and be able to run the clock to about 1:40 before the second down play. They would then have 40 seconds before they had to run the third down play and another 40 seconds before they had to run a fourth down play. That's a minute and 45 seconds and that doesn't even include the time to run each play. So you are incorrect about the Gophers getting the ball with 1 minute left. 1 second is more like it.
 

3Jack said:
Iowa would get 25 seconds on the play clock and be able to run the clock to about 1:40 before the second down play. They would then have 40 seconds before they had to run the third down play and another 40 seconds before they had to run a fourth down play. That's a minute and 45 seconds and that doesn't even include the time to run each play. So you are incorrect about the Gophers getting the ball with 1 minute left. 1 second is more like it.
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I didn't realize that the clock runs after an offensive penalty. That is a bizarre rule if that's the case.

Regardless, that hold was just exhibit A in a night full of questionable calls.
 

Word said:
I didn't realize that the clock runs after an offensive penalty. That is a bizarre rule if that's the case. Regardless, that hold was just exhibit A in a night full of questionable calls.
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That doesn't seem right. If that were so wouldn't offensive teams just tackle everyone on the line of scrimmage and run 20 yard running plays that get called back until time runs out?
 

badgergopher said:
That doesn't seem right. If that were so wouldn't offensive teams just tackle everyone on the line of scrimmage and run 20 yard running plays that get called back until time runs out?
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I tried to do some reading on it and it sounds like it is actually the rule but if the refs feel like the offensive team is doing it intentionally they can opt to start the clock on snap. Still seems like a loophole. A team in the lead in the last 5 minutes shouldn't be able to run down time on an offensive penalty. Seems like a "free" extra 25 second runoff of the clock.
 

Finally got a chance to see this "hold", and my goodness you guys are grasping at straws. A still picture rarely tells the whole story, and in this case it couldn't be more true. The Iowa FB in no way impeded Poock's ability to make a play on the ball. Just because his arms were wrapped around the body does not mean that he was using that to gain leverage/an advantage. In fact, it looked like Poock attacked the FB with no intentions of making a play on the ball and was simply trying to blow him up. THIS is the call that you are up in arms about? Good grief, there are hundreds of plays in every football game that you should be upset with if you are going to get bent out of shape about this.
 

IAHawk2011 said:
Finally got a chance to see this "hold", and my goodness you guys are grasping at straws. A still picture rarely tells the whole story, and in this case it couldn't be more true. The Iowa FB in no way impeded Poock's ability to make a play on the ball. Just because his arms were wrapped around the body does not mean that he was using that to gain leverage/an advantage. In fact, it looked like Poock attacked the FB with no intentions of making a play on the ball and was simply trying to blow him up. THIS is the call that you are up in arms about? Good grief, there are hundreds of plays in every football game that you should be upset with if you are going to get bent out of shape about this.
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And people have shown lots of other examples. As many have said, the issue is consistency. If you're going to let this go and multiple holds your LT made all game, then don't call a marginal (at best) holding on our TE that negated a big 4th and 1 conversion.
 

badgergopher said:
That doesn't seem right. If that were so wouldn't offensive teams just tackle everyone on the line of scrimmage and run 20 yard running plays that get called back until time runs out?
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That is why you don't want to be behind with no timeouts with 2 minutes left in the game and the other team has the ball. You're in much bigger trouble than any perceived holding call.
 

GophersInIowa said:
And people have shown lots of other examples. As many have said, the issue is consistency. If you're going to let this go and multiple holds your LT made all game, then don't call a marginal (at best) holding on our TE that negated a big 4th and 1 conversion.
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Iowa had a hold call on it's TE on the first Iowa offensive series that was a complete head scratcher. The Gophers also had holds that were let go. KJ Maye's long catch in the first half Iowa's #67 beats his guy and gets held. It happens. To say it was one sided in this game is not the case.
 

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