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Throws for 398 yards in a 52 - 7 win over Central Florida.
 



Who does this Nelson play for? What is his connection to the Minnesota football program? Any info would be great.
 



Just to point out - that does NOT mean Mr. Nelson would have put up the same stats playing for the Gophers. Different coaches, different system, different opponents, etc. Nelson has talent - and he had a chance to lay claim to the #1 job in MN - but he was inconsistent enough to make it a competition with Leidner.

Also - food for thought - maybe Nelson has learned something from his experiences, and he is a (hopefully) more mature QB with a different attitude at his current school.

And - final thought - put Mitch Leidner in the same system and same game plan, and he just might be able to put up similar statistics.

I was excited to see what the Gophs would do with a new offensive coordinator, but I'm starting to think that the MN coaches - for whatever reason - keep their QB's under too tight a leash. Just once I'd like to see what would happen if the Gopher coaches really let it fly.
 


short ornery norwegian said:
Just to point out - that does NOT mean Mr. Nelson would have put up the same stats playing for the Gophers. Different coaches, different system, different opponents, etc. Nelson has talent - and he had a chance to lay claim to the #1 job in MN - but he was inconsistent enough to make it a competition with Leidner.

Also - food for thought - maybe Nelson has learned something from his experiences, and he is a (hopefully) more mature QB with a different attitude at his current school.

And - final thought - put Mitch Leidner in the same system and same game plan, and he just might be able to put up similar statistics.

I was excited to see what the Gophs would do with a new offensive coordinator, but I'm starting to think that the MN coaches - for whatever reason - keep their QB's under too tight a leash. Just once I'd like to see what would happen if the Gopher coaches really let it fly.
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IMO, PN is a much better passer than ML - better arm, better at reading defenses, more accurate, more consistent. What PN was not good at was being mentally strong when faced with adversity and this showed when he was pulled for ML. Instead of stepping it up and putting in the hard work he sulked and pouted. Better pure passer than ML but nowhere near the leader that ML is. He could have been a really good Qb at MN with his physical abilities. Unfortunately he was not mentally strong and not the leader we had all hoped for.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
And - final thought - put Mitch Leidner in the same system and same game plan, and he just might be able to put up similar statistics.

I was excited to see what the Gophs would do with a new offensive coordinator, but I'm starting to think that the MN coaches - for whatever reason - keep their QB's under too tight a leash. Just once I'd like to see what would happen if the Gopher coaches really let it fly.
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While that may be true, all it is is an indictment of the coaches.
If the reason a guy was not performing well was system and now he has changed systems and is performing well....well...


We could say it was opponent, but we will see how MN does against Indiana State.
We could say it is his teammates, but why does East Carolina have better teammates than MN?



He is gone, and he should be gone.
He is gone, and he shouldn't have come back after he quit on the team. But if he has a season full of great games it would be further proof of how terrible our offensive system was under kill/limegrover.
 



GoldAlum said:
Throws for 398 yards in a 52 - 7 win over Central Florida.
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You're understating the performance by a lot. Not only did he have almost 400 passing yards, he was 28-32, with 5 TD's and 0 Ints. He also rushed for a TD as well. Love him, hate him, or somewhere in the middle, you have to admit those are VERY impressive numbers.
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
You're understating the performance by a lot. Not only did he have almost 400 passing yards, he was 28-32, with 5 TD's and 0 Ints. Love him, hate him, or somewhere in the middle, you have to admit those are VERY impressive numbers.
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Good first week for both Nelson and Streveler. (The Streveler stats were in some other thread. Threw and ran well.)
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Just to point out - that does NOT mean Mr. Nelson would have put up the same stats playing for the Gophers. Different coaches, different system, different opponents, etc. Nelson has talent - and he had a chance to lay claim to the #1 job in MN - but he was inconsistent enough to make it a competition with Leidner.

Also - food for thought - maybe Nelson has learned something from his experiences, and he is a (hopefully) more mature QB with a different attitude at his current school.

And - final thought - put Mitch Leidner in the same system and same game plan, and he just might be able to put up similar statistics.

I was excited to see what the Gophs would do with a new offensive coordinator, but I'm starting to think that the MN coaches - for whatever reason - keep their QB's under too tight a leash. Just once I'd like to see what would happen if the Gopher coaches really let it fly.
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- Agree 100%. There's no way Nelson would be getting mention of being a day 1, NFL draft pick had he played in our system, like Mitch is. The under center, pro-style is perfect for Mitch and his big, durable frame. It was a terrible fit for the shorter Nelson and his gunslinger mentality.

- Not a chance, imo. Just as Nelson wasn't built for the pro-style, Mitch isn't built for a pass happy, shotgun offense.

- Comparing these two QB's is like trying to compare a pick-up truck and a sports car. The sports car is faster and better handling, but the pick-up truck can haul a boat or carry a payload of firewood. They're both automobiles, but they're not the same. Which one is better? Depends on the job at hand.

- This is what many Nelson bashers refuse to grasp. Nelson was recruited to play out of the shotgun, in a spread offense where he'd get to sling the ball some. He's a sports car. When the coaches changed the offense to a ball control, pro-style offense with the QB under center, the new offense was a perfect fit for Mitch. He's a pick-up. To say the pick-up is better at hauling a boat, thus the truck is the superior automobile isn't a fair comparison. Nelson wanted to go to a place where he could be what he is, a sports car. This is why Nelson left, not because he's a quitter or couldn't handle competition. My 0.02
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
- Agree 100%. There's no way Nelson would be getting mention of being a day 1, NFL draft pick had he played in our system, like Mitch is. The under center, pro-style is perfect for Mitch and his big, durable frame. It was a terrible fit for the shorter Nelson and his gunslinger mentality.

- Not a chance, imo. Just as Nelson wasn't built for the pro-style, Mitch isn't built for a pass happy, shotgun offense.

- Comparing these two QB's is like trying to compare a pick-up truck and a sports car. The sports car is faster and better handling, but the pick-up truck can haul a boat or carry a payload of firewood. They're both automobiles, but they're not the same. Which one is better? Depends on the job at hand.

- This is what many Nelson bashers refuse to grasp. Nelson was recruited to play out of the shotgun, in a spread offense where he'd get to sling the ball some. He's a sports car. When the coaches changed the offense to a ball control, pro-style offense with the QB under center, the new offense was a perfect fit for Mitch. He's a pick-up. To say the pick-up is better at hauling a boat, thus the truck is the superior automobile isn't a fair comparison. Nelson wanted to go to a place where he could be what he is, a sports car. This is why Nelson left, not because he's a quitter or couldn't handle competition. My 0.02
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If I am understanding you correctly, much of this comes down to the right syystem for the players strengths. I agree. Best example for Minnesota sports fans is the Herscel Walker fiasco. Don't put a north, south running I back in a pro-set laterial moving run offense.
 




short ornery norwegian said:
I was excited to see what the Gophs would do with a new offensive coordinator, but I'm starting to think that the MN coaches - for whatever reason - keep their QB's under too tight a leash. Just once I'd like to see what would happen if the Gopher coaches really let it fly.
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We all expected things to be different with a new OC. As far as I can tell, that was based on this assumption that Kill/Limey were the issue doing just what you said - under too tight if a leash. However, food for thought.... maybe after Johnson ran practices for Spring and Fall he determined the same thing that Limey did in regards to our QBs capabilities and limitations.


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Really hard to judge after one game but it seemed like their wasn't an appreciable difference in the ML from this year to last year. Perhaps the real problem is we don't have the receivers more than a scheme problem. And with the next opponent we probably won't see anything new from the playbook. I am assuming that we really won't open the playbook till Conference play.
 

Dimonic Mckinzy went 23 for 44 for 283 yards, a TD and rushed for 50 yards and a TD at Northeastern State in the MAIA. Looks like Perra at St. Thomas didn't win the starting QB job yet as he went 3-7 for 30 yards and a TD.
 

Jack jones said:
Really hard to judge after one game but it seemed like their wasn't an appreciable difference in the ML from this year to last year. Perhaps the real problem is we don't have the receivers more than a scheme problem. And with the next opponent we probably won't see anything new from the playbook. I am assuming that we really won't open the playbook till Conference play.
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Or ML7 is THE problem. Just sayin it IS possible......


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wait!what? said:
ya think?
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Not in the way you do, but I do think that everyone on here looks for reasons the offense fails without wanting to blame ML7. Limey, WRs, Injuries, he is tough tho, etc. He is the one common denominator in all the struggles we have had recently and that is hard to deny.


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highwayman said:
Who does this Nelson play for? What is his connection to the Minnesota football program? Any info would be great.
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1) East Carolina.
2) He has a direct connection to the University of Minnesota. He was a top recruit and former starting QB for the Golden Gophers.
3) If you are not interested in anything related to Philip Nelson, the easy thing would be don't click on the thread that clearly states his name.
 

Spoofin said:
Not in the way you do, but I do think that everyone on here looks for reasons the offense fails without wanting to blame ML7. Limey, WRs, Injuries, he is tough tho, etc. He is the one common denominator in all the struggles we have had recently and that is hard to deny.


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a distinction without a difference. i'll go you one further tho...claeys ain't gonna let his ego keep mitcheroo in there like jerry did.
 

MNfootballfan said:
1) East Carolina.
2) He has a direct connection to the University of Minnesota. He was a top recruit and former starting QB for the Golden Gophers.
3) If you are not interested in anything related to Philip Nelson, the easy thing would be don't click on the thread that clearly states his name.
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Beautifully put. I always find it baffling when people open up a thread to complain about it.
 

Spoofin said:
Not in the way you do, but I do think that everyone on here looks for reasons the offense fails without wanting to blame ML7. Limey, WRs, Injuries, he is tough tho, etc. He is the one common denominator in all the struggles we have had recently and that is hard to deny.
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For a team that wants to run the ball our linemen didn't get much push, at least early on. Combine that with their defense cheating a man into the box and you've got #problems. R. Smith and his nifty running saved our butts. Versus one of the worst run Ds in the nation last year, it's concerning. Did we run any screens or other constraint plays?
 

Pompous Elitist said:
For a team that wants to run the ball our linemen didn't get much push, at least early on. Combine that with their defense cheating a man into the box and you've got #problems. R. Smith and his nifty running saved our butts. Versus one of the worst run Ds in the nation last year, it's concerning. Did we run any screens or other constraint plays?
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No, and we have rarely ran screen passes going all the way back through the Mason years, either. Meanwhile, our defense has very often struggled mightily against offenses that throw a lot of screens...

..."Watch the screen pass to Perry! Watch the screen pass to Perry!"

As for Nelson, I don't know what kind of Homer Stuff a bunch of GH posters are drinking, but Nelson has always been the better passer between he and Leidner.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
For a team that wants to run the ball our linemen didn't get much push, at least early on. Combine that with their defense cheating a man into the box and you've got #problems. R. Smith and his nifty running saved our butts. Versus one of the worst run Ds in the nation last year, it's concerning. Did we run any screens or other constraint plays?
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This. OL got very little push, which was surprising given what I saw in the spring game. That said, I'm assuming most teams that gashed OSU last year didn't line up and try to bang zone into 8 man boxes repeatedly. I'm guessing they mixed run and pass effectively enough to keep them off balance, therefore allowing for opportunities to occasionally run into 6 or 7 man boxes and find the second level. But again, just guessing...

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