Our Commits: No other offers... no problem?

This might be the dumbest post you've ever written. It is as if you have no idea that the # of scouts in FL is way more than the # of them in MN. As if you have no idea that the # of times a player is evaluated at spring practice (yes, unlike us they have practice in the spring), at camps in the summer and again in the fall. There are so many scouts and recruiters in FL that it is much harder to go unnoticed there than it is here.

But lets assume your 2* in Miami is equivalent to a 5* in MN theory is correct...Why would Miami come up to Minnesota to recruit the Walsh brothers and Seantrel Henderson? Why did Bobby Bowden waste his time coming up to recruit Mauer and Weinke when he could take any 2* prospect in FL?

His basis was on kids in FL flying under the radar that have minimal recruiter exposure, hence the lower star value. So you assuming his theory is correct in your humoring of him, you just answered your own question.. Miami would come to MN because the FL 2 star kids are too much under the radar.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with his or your posts.. I'm just pointing that out.
 

Interview any ten Minnesotans and see if it gets above 40% recognition. Then, we'll talk... I'ld take 2% nationally with all the "talk". Your not a casual fan.

I don't even know what you're trying to say here, but either way, my point was that Kill's past success has been talked about many times. My dad, who's a pretty casual fan, even mentioned to me that Kill has been successful everywhere he's been when we first talked after he was hired.

It's pretty tough to get the casual fan excited or even interested in Gophers football during the off-season after a 3-win season.
 

He has zero reading comprehension skills, I've called him on it numerous times, sad thing is he is in the media.

This is getting old. Do you really think if I was in the media I would be coming on here with these statements. I HAVE NEVER WORKED FOR ANY MEDIA ORGANIZATION. EVER. I would appreciate a response to this as well. You can't just throw out statements like this without backing them up or offering a rebuttal. Please, offer a link to my latest work. Am I in television or print? Jackass.
 

This is getting old. Do you really think if I was in the media I would be coming on here with these statements. I HAVE NEVER WORKED FOR ANY MEDIA ORGANIZATION. EVER. I would appreciate a response to this as well. You can't just throw out statements like this without backing them up or offering a rebuttal. Please, offer a link to my latest work. Am I in television or print? Jackass.

According to yourself on 7/18/2009 you are in print you stupid SOB. Why don't you go back to your thread on that date titled "Tell me what you think...". You start out the thread by writing:

I'm a sports writer for a paper up north. I would love some feedback on my latest column possibility:

Be careful what you ask for. You know this day n' age everything you write on the internet sticks. So now I am going to say to you, I would appreciate a response to this as well. Can you clear the air for everyone........ what writer are you???

PS, I'll bump the thread from7/18/2009 just so it is up towards the front.
 

According to yourself on 7/18/2009 you are in print you stupid SOB. Why don't you go back to your thread on that date titled "Tell me what you think...". You start out the thread by writing:



Be careful what you ask for. You know this day n' age everything you write on the internet sticks. So now I am going to say to you, I would appreciate a response to this as well. Can you clear the air for everyone........ what writer are you???

PS, I'll bump the thread from7/18/2009 just so it is up towards the front.

Here is a the link:

http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?t=6485

Heck of a find sonny...

Go Gophers!!
 




Please, offer a link to my latest work. Am I in television or print? Jackass.

Print, from the sounds of it.

Weisbrod post from April 25, 2009:

"That's funny! I think I use words like "leads" because I've been a sports writer for six years. Sometimes I just can't help myself."

http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?p=57654#post57654

Weisbrod post from June 12, 2009:

"I talked to the sports editor for the Winona Daily News (I used to work there as a sports writer) about a month and a half ago..........."

http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?p=68018#post68018
 

This is getting old. Do you really think if I was in the media I would be coming on here with these statements. I HAVE NEVER WORKED FOR ANY MEDIA ORGANIZATION. EVER. I would appreciate a response to this as well. You can't just throw out statements like this without backing them up or offering a rebuttal. Please, offer a link to my latest work. Am I in television or print? Jackass.

Sure thing sport. Google is a difficult tool to use but here is what I was able to come up with using the keywords "Weisbrod Winona Daily News sports": http://www.google.com/search?q=Weis...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Which lead me here: http://www.blogger.com/profile/17170677216178671315

Which suggested you worked for the Lakeshore Weekly News. Googling "Jon Weisbrod Lakeshore Weekly News" returned articles from 2008. I was wondering if maybe you'd hung up your pen and paper so I went back to the blogger profile which included a link to a basketball blog: http://westernprephoops.blogspot.com/

The blog included a link to Lakeshore Weekly News articles like this one: http://www.weeklynews.com/main.asp?SectionID=12&SubSectionID=12&ArticleID=5946&TM=66380.8

So, if you are the guy who's work comes up with a simple Google search (seriously, that took 5 minutes tops) I would have to ask why are you lying about your work in print/online media when a simple search of this site's archives or a search using complex analytical tools like teh Google will uncover it?

In Weisbrod's defense, he doesn't appear to have been working in media at the time he started posting here (which I suspect lead to this "link to my most recent work" comment). But it still doesn't explain the all caps flip out over the media work thing.
 




Haha Sonny, that was great.

But, back to the original thread subject, all I will say is for a lot of our fan base we have never won anything significant and the last coach supposedly brought in a good amount of "talented" players according to the recruiting websites who never panned out on the field in terms of winning games over the last 3,4 years.
I think a lot of Gopher fans are willing to put their faith in the coaching staff evaluating a player's skills and talents vs recruiting analysts, but all that matters in the end is winning and we don't care if a player is a 4 or 2 star as long as it leads to the Gopher Football team being respectable during their coaching tenure.
 

The subject is recruiting, not fanbase. I'm talking messages to the recruits. Of all the offers, the top end players who actually considered us have not signed on. The top recruit is considered soft and he is a home state kid. It was time to re-brand and reload with new emphasis on being a winning program. That buys a bump and instead we get poofff. There are marketers who can spin rock into dollars. A person won't buy, "we're not there yet" and "we have a long ways to go." Those are true statements, but it isn't in the marketing message of how to be successful in sales. We call that loser talk where I come from. Losers talk of how far we have to go. Every stop Jerry Kill has made, that was part of his stump speech. Hey, I could sell asbestos underwear to any jock out there and all I would have to say is Julius Caesar wore it every day, tunic and all (he did). People died of tampered with Tylenol. J&J didn't shy away from marketing the product. They put a tamperproof seal on the product and apologized. Sales boomed. The naysayers will tell you it can't be done. We were the losing program for too long. There is no message worth telling. That is a lame excuse for losers. What we need for Kill is a tamper proof message that get recruits excited again for Gopher football.

Pretty sure that Kill is putting the "tamperproof seal" in play, at least in MN. 10 MN kids have offers and 7 have committed to Kill. That is pretty "tamperproof". You have to start at home.
 




Tylenol's sales did plummet. That's like Gophers recruiting is right now. Sales came back when improvements were made to the security of the product. That's like what recruiting will do if the Gophers win games. The Tylenol example isn't an example against Kill's recruiting, but in favor of it.

There are further problems with using Tylenol as an example. For one, Tylenol wasn't responsible for the tampering with the product, as it was introduced after it was on store shelves. Had the fault been in Tylenol's factories, Tylenol probably couldn't have bounced back from that. Secondly, Tylenol was the biggest brand in the market. The Gophers are far from that. Had Tylenol had only a small market share, they likely would have been wiped out. Tylenol is analogous to one of top teams in the BCS. Recruiting won't suffer much if one of the top BCS teams has a scandal or a bad year. But for a team that is closer to the bottom than to the top, recruiting suffers more.
 

According to yourself on 7/18/2009 you are in print you stupid SOB. Why don't you go back to your thread on that date titled "Tell me what you think...". You start out the thread by writing:



Be careful what you ask for. You know this day n' age everything you write on the internet sticks. So now I am going to say to you, I would appreciate a response to this as well. Can you clear the air for everyone........ what writer are you???

PS, I'll bump the thread from7/18/2009 just so it is up towards the front.

Congrats, you caught me in a lie. I haven't worked for a newspaper in well over a year. It's a thankless job with no pay. Plus, I had to deal with people like you every single day. You know who you are, the ones who think they know everything and feel obliged to personally attack member of the media just because they don't agree with something they wrote. I'd like to see you do what I did as a writer for one week and tell me how you like it. It's ridiculous how you just come on her and insult people when you don't agree with them. I'm not the only one who you personally attack on here either. It's pathetic.

Since you're so interested in my personal life, I think it would be important or you to know that I volunteer every week at the United Way and work (for free) at a youth center. Thanks buddy, you made my day.
 

It's a thankless job with no pay.

Perhaps you would have liked it better had you not done it on a volunteer basis.

Plus, I had to deal with people like you every single day. You know who you are, the ones who think they know everything and feel obliged to personally attack member of the media just because they don't agree with something they wrote.

:cry:

I'd like to see you do what I did as a writer for one week and tell me how you like it.

Done. Name me the time and place. Being a sportswriter is about the easiest job in the world.

It's ridiculous how you just come on her

I didn't see that, but typically you need to pay money to watch that sort of thing.

I'm not the only one who you personally attack on here either. It's pathetic.

He's not attacking you personally, unless you consider being called an idiot a "personal" attack (in which case, again, :cry:). He's attacking your terrible opinions and "insights" (and yes, they are terrible). Also, he called you a liar, which you are.

Since you're so interested in my personal life, I think it would be important or you to know that I volunteer every week at the United Way and work (for free) at a youth center.

Do the people at the United Way know that you go on sports-themed internet message boards under the guise of a "fan" and act like a huge dick on a regular basis? Just curious.
 


Do the people at the United Way know that you go on sports-themed internet message boards under the guise of a "fan" and act like a huge dick on a regular basis? Just curious.[/QUOTE]

Wow. Just wow. I honestly don't know what to say to this.

Also, I can promise you that you wouldn't last a week as a sports writer. It looks very simple on the outside, but there is a lot more to working at a newspaper than going to athletic events. Besides, how can you say sports writing is easy when you've never done it? It's like saying being a pilot is easy; I mean, all they have to do it fly a plane and most of the time it's on autopilot.
 

Wow. Just wow. I honestly don't know what to say to this.

Also, I can promise you that you wouldn't last a week as a sports writer. It looks very simple on the outside, but there is a lot more to working at a newspaper than going to athletic events. Besides, how can you say sports writing is easy when you've never done it? It's like saying being a pilot is easy; I mean, all they have to do it fly a plane and most of the time it's on autopilot.

Wow. Just wow. I honestly don't know what to say to this. Hard to understand how you couldn't hack it in the journalism business.
 

The epitome of journalistic integrity.

Professional integrity. Do you really think if I lied in print I would have lasted more than a month as a writer. The answer: No. I left the field on my own terms and I am very happy I did. It took less than four months to find a job with better hours and better pay.
 

Also, I can promise you that you wouldn't last a week as a sports writer.

Prove it. Get me a job as a sportswriter. I guarantee I would last as long as they'll have me.

It's like saying being a pilot is easy; I mean, all they have to do it fly a plane and most of the time it's on autopilot.

Actually, I have multiple relatives who are pilots, and I know a fair amount about it. I agree, being a pilot is easy. It's a cushy job. Most any pilot will tell you that. It's actually getting the job that's difficult. Years and years of very difficult and monotonous training, for very little pay (probably less than what you earned as a "journalist"), extreme competition for jobs, etc., etc. And "all they have to do" is fly a plane? Are you high? Not everyone has the ability to fly a plane. Any idiot can pick up a word processor and become a "journalist".

That you would compare being a hack sportswriter to being a pilot is ridiculous and laughable.
 


The subject is recruiting, not fanbase. I'm talking messages to the recruits. Of all the offers, the top end players who actually considered us have not signed on. The top recruit is considered soft and he is a home state kid. It was time to re-brand and reload with new emphasis on being a winning program. That buys a bump and instead we get poofff. There are marketers who can spin rock into dollars. A person won't buy, "we're not there yet" and "we have a long ways to go." Those are true statements, but it isn't in the marketing message of how to be successful in sales. We call that loser talk where I come from. Losers talk of how far we have to go. Every stop Jerry Kill has made, that was part of his stump speech. Hey, I could sell asbestos underwear to any jock out there and all I would have to say is Julius Caesar wore it every day, tunic and all (he did). People died of tampered with Tylenol. J&J didn't shy away from marketing the product. They put a tamperproof seal on the product and apologized. Sales boomed. The naysayers will tell you it can't be done. We were the losing program for too long. There is no message worth telling. That is a lame excuse for losers. What we need for Kill is a tamper proof message that get recruits excited again for Gopher football.

Brewster spun the national titles and all of the Big Ten titles when he first started and he got called a used car saleman for it.
 

Do the people at the United Way know that you go on sports-themed internet message boards under the guise of a "fan" and act like a huge dick on a regular basis? Just curious.

Wow. Just wow. I honestly don't know what to say to this.

Also, I can promise you that you wouldn't last a week as a sports writer. It looks very simple on the outside, but there is a lot more to working at a newspaper than going to athletic events. Besides, how can you say sports writing is easy when you've never done it? It's like saying being a pilot is easy; I mean, all they have to do it fly a plane and most of the time it's on autopilot.[/QUOTE]Please. It's not an extremely difficult job and you know it. It's not hard-hitting investigative journalism. The stories are placed squarely in your lap for the most part.

Before you go on the offensive, I have done it and I continue to do so. I was the Gophers featured columnist at that rat hole bleacherreport.com for about a year. There was no pay, I did it because I loved writing about my favorite team. Now I write for an NFL site and receive compensation. It's easier than heading down to the rink and writing about little Billy's two-goal game, but neither one is that difficult.
 

I love how after freaking out on poster who caught him lying Weisbrod goes with the "You caught me, so what?" defense. :rolleyes:
 

It's ridiculous how you just come on her and insult people when you don't agree with them. I'm not the only one who you personally attack on here either. It's pathetic.


Actually, I just insult people such as yourself, the "fans" on here that don't like the Gophers yet feel the need to come on the site and relentlessly make snide remarks about the program. If you can spend your time trolling this board I can spend my time responding to your dumb @sses when you post your drivel.

Sad thing is that you urged me to go dig up the old post.
 

Wow!

Amazing - Reading this string is better than any soap I have ever watched (Not that I watched that many soap operas). I am looking forward to the beginning episode for next season where Weisbrod wakes up and we discover that this was just a dream. Great writing! It sure beats wren’s babbling!
 

Professional integrity. Do you really think if I lied in print I would have lasted more than a month as a writer. The answer: No. I left the field on my own terms and I am very happy I did. It took less than four months to find a job with better hours and better pay.

I actually think most people believe the inverse of that statement. They don't believe you ever lied in print because you were never a writer. I have no idea if you were ever a writer but I highley doubt it.

I've been on different message boards with a lot of different journalists and they've said who they were. It was actually good for their career. Whether or not people dislike you or love your opinions, the key to that world is getting people to have a feeling one way or the other.

Look at Doogie, he got a lot of flack on here and for the most part (most people) didn't say anything personal. Now, Doogie's stories are followed pretty closely by gopher fans. In fact, they were followed pretty closely by this board when everyone disagreed with him. It was a "ah look at what Doogie's saying now" sort of thing (by the people who didn't agree with his take). Either way, it got people to read/click on the article. That's the name of the game.

I have a hard time believing a sports journalist would be so naive as to even consider posting on this board without giving up their real name. That'd be almost as dumb as posting on this board and pretending to be a writer (I have no idea which you are).

PS: The whole bit about bringing up the United Way and stuff is cool. I'm really hope you are doing that kind of stuff because it is far more important than anything on a message board or anything to do with sports. However, it doesn't really mean anything for the sake of this conversation. My future father-in-law is one of the best human beings on the planet, he gives almost all of his money to charity, donates his time as a Dr. treating people in third world countries, etc. etc., however.....the guy really doesn't know a thing about football.
 

His basis was on kids in FL flying under the radar that have minimal recruiter exposure, hence the lower star value. So you assuming his theory is correct in your humoring of him, you just answered your own question.. Miami would come to MN because the FL 2 star kids are too much under the radar.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with his or your posts.. I'm just pointing that out.

My point was that FL is better recruited than Minnesota because everybody in the country knows it is a top 3 state for football talent. Far more scouts spend far more time there and have far more opportunities to scout the players so far fewer players fly under the radar. If you're good, they'll notice you in some game or practice. Rivals doesn't hasn't even had a midwest analyst for the last 6+ months let alone sent anyone up to Minnesota to see recruits.
 

I have a hard time believing a sports journalist would be so naive as to even consider posting on this board without giving up their real name.

The funny thing is that is his last name, he was quite easy to find using a search engine, and really thought that no one would figure that he was a sports writer after demanding that he was not, never was, etc.

Look at the previous page, someone there dug up a few of his stories, etc. And his big comeback was - Oh...yeah I lied and you caught me. What's the big deal?

Funny stuff.
 




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