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upnorthkid said:
you assume it takes them 8 seconds to run on the field and 8 seconds to run off? no. you see the sub coming on the field and you get up and get your ass off the field. you want to wobble and take forever because a late sub (you weren't coming off due to fatigue) you risk the penalty. there is ZERO reason a college level athlete cannot see a sub coming within the first 3 seconds and have 7 seconds to get a maximum of 50 yards off the field. This isn't us running off the field. guys can be in motion vastly ahead of time to go out and get set.

and this is because we're subbing for matchups right? not just to take time off the clock? the idea was to protect for matchups/packages. you know in college football when you're coming off the field for heavy personnel, pass rush package, dime, etc. Illinois did it multiple times today where they started off the field then went back onto the field and slowly trotted off. that can all happen easily from within 10 seconds of whenever the judge gets up to hold the center.
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Nope. 5-6 each if they’re running.
Maybe 7 from opposite hash redzone.

But it takes more than 4-5 seconds to see the sub, order who is going in, who they are going in for.

You could solve all the issues by having wait time of 15 seconds max if there is over 15 seconds left on the play clock and a delay of game penalty on the offense if the offense subs with less than 15 on play clock.
Before about 1945 you played all 11 on both sides of the ball.
 

Some guy said:
Nope. 5-6 each if they’re running.
Maybe 7 from opposite hash redzone.

But it takes more than 4-5 seconds to see the sub, order who is going in, who they are going in for.

You could solve all the issues by having wait time of 15 seconds max if there is over 15 seconds left on the play clock and a delay of game penalty on the offense if the offense subs with less than 15 on play clock.
Before about 1945 you played all 11 on both sides of the ball.
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the ref does not step in until the sub begins and the trigger clock does not start until they get their guy off the field/subbed. the sub packages are all around their position coaches literally all game. right now it is a set of "as long as the players are running" is how long it can take. they can easily look and see how quickly the average sub takes and decide on a clock. If they want to set it at 15 max, fine. Personally think that is too long and they can accomplish this within 10 because these are D1 athletes and there is zero reason you cannot run off the field and get off the field in 5 seconds (to me it's just getting off the field and you can run a straightline OOB, which I think alleviates some of this long run from opposite hash all the way back to the player box).

I'm not saying 10 seconds from the second the sub starts, it's whenever the offensive guy gets off the field as that's when the sub is complete (allows the D that time to view who is on and off) and I'd make it an auto hold of the 10 seconds if you're going to sub whether D subs or not (makes it standard and teams can get used to the pace). Then it's a simple of if you want to play tempo, you don't sub
 








This has been a near* perfect B1G day. Don’t blow it now to a non power conf team.

*one bonehead Jedd Fisch decision to go for two from being perfect.
 



upnorthkid said:
the ref does not step in until the sub begins and the trigger clock does not start until they get their guy off the field/subbed. the sub packages are all around their position coaches literally all game. right now it is a set of "as long as the players are running" is how long it can take. they can easily look and see how quickly the average sub takes and decide on a clock. If they want to set it at 15 max, fine. Personally think that is too long and they can accomplish this within 10 because these are D1 athletes and there is zero reason you cannot run off the field and get off the field in 5 seconds (to me it's just getting off the field and you can run a straightline OOB, which I think alleviates some of this long run from opposite hash all the way back to the player box).

I'm not saying 10 seconds from the second the sub starts, it's whenever the offensive guy gets off the field as that's when the sub is complete (allows the D that time to view who is on and off) and I'd make it an auto hold of the 10 seconds if you're going to sub whether D subs or not (makes it standard and teams can get used to the pace). Then it's a simple of if you want to play tempo, you don't sub
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I think it’s a really hard thing to execute as an officiating crew without adding another official whose sole job is that.

There used to be no rules. Now maybe trying to give a little too much leeway to defense as an over correction.


I don’t think a time clock is the answer though. Too hard to administrate.
 


Some guy said:
I think it’s a really hard thing to execute as an officiating crew without adding another official whose sole job is that.

There used to be no rules. Now maybe trying to give a little too much leeway to defense as an over correction.


I don’t think a time clock is the answer though. Too hard to administrate.
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You have to have some type of stipulation, rule-wise, otherwise teams could take 30 seconds, then another substitution, another 30 seconds, et al
 

Well that defensive possession from Boise does not give me much hope for them
 



Boise has to get out of “and obvious” passing downs. PSU is loading up to stop the run and they’re playing right into it
 





Thank god PSU fumbled the ball back. This game was looking close to over in the first quarter.
 






Looks like the Penn State offensive line is vying for the Conrad Dobler award.
 





PSU playing about as ugly as they can from an execution standpoint very randomly throughout the quarter but ends the half with a 10 point lead
 

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