Other Bowl Games Thread - 2019 College Bowl Season Edition

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MplsGopher said:
Agree to disagree PF. Ohio State was clearly the better team, and should've won the game by a TD or two. Refs were horse dung and stole the game from them.

Weird, an SEC crew. And the SEC and ACC are literally owned at this point by whom? That's right, ESPN. As is the CFP.


I'm starting to wonder if the Big Ten and the PAC shouldn't give ESPN a big, fat middle finger, and pull the eject handle on this fake "national championship" system. If those two confs won't participate, then they can't claim it as an objective championship.

Sign big contracts with FOX and CBS, and take the Rose Bowl too with them to those networks.

Piss off, ESPN!
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If they were the better team, they don’t let Clemson score on that last drive. Simple as that.
 

PitinoFan said:
If they were the better team, they don’t let Clemson score on that last drive. Simple as that.
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Very convenient argument. What about the two other Clemson scores that came right after subjective penalties? What about the overturned fumble? What about the overturned TD catch by Dobbins?

Too many game changing calls. Smells to me
 

MplsGopher said:
Very convenient argument. What about the two other Clemson scores that came right after subjective penalties? What about the overturned fumble? What about the overturned TD catch by Dobbins?

Too many game changing calls. Smells to me
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The targeting call and the roughing the punter call were legit. Fields’ two interceptions...also legit. One of the teams made the big plays when they mattered most, and the other did not. Stop making excuses just because you don’t like the result.
 

PitinoFan said:
Are we sure Oklahoma is an excellent team?
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Yes I'm sure. They were 10-1. Unless you think the big 12 is garbage... Excellent is not Elite, where Id classify LSU, Clemson and maybe Ohio State too.
 



PitinoFan said:
The targeting call and the roughing the punter call were legit. Fields’ two interceptions...also legit. One of the teams made the big plays when they mattered most, and the other did not. Stop making excuses just because you don’t like the result.
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Target was meh. Easy to argue it either way. Roughing was abosultely bogus. Punted jumped into the guy. Running into at max. You ignored the refs stealing away Dobbins TD catch and overturning the fumble, I see.

Yes, they went through them like air the last drive. And yes, it was a tragic and horrible mistake/miscommunication on one play at the end. Despite all that OSU had to overcome (playing against Clemson and the refs), they still easily could've won the game at the end. Tragic mistake at the end, Clemson acting like that play was all talent. BS. Shut up Dabo. And both Dabo and Lawrence rubbing in their southern-ness to the max. "Give it up to God. God's grace". Ugh, shut up! You're a public school! "Hey F you, anyone who attends Clemson or lives in SC who isn't a Christian!"
 

Ohio State outgained Clemson by a hundred yards, put up 516 yards. This, despite a RB hobbled for half the game and Fields as a runner wasn’t 100%.

These things always come down to a couple plays here or there. Fields made some dumb throws. Lawrence ran for over a hundred including a long TD. Overturns, non-calls, questionable calls all night.

Ultimately Ohio State wasn’t able to do enough or play mistake free enough to beat both Clemson and the zebras. Buckeye fans probably feel a lot like Vikings fans the morning after the NFC championship game vs the Saints.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Ohio State outgained Clemson by a hundred yards, put up 516 yards. This, despite a RB hobbled for half the game and Fields as a runner wasn’t 100%.

These things always come down to a couple plays here or there. Fields made some dumb throws. Lawrence ran for over a hundred including a long TD. Overturns, non-calls, questionable calls all night.

Ultimately Ohio State wasn’t able to do enough or play mistake free enough to beat both Clemson and the zebras. Buckeye fans probably feel a lot like Vikings fans the morning after the NFC championship game vs the Saints.
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Agreed.

And I can accept that it is what it is, and the result is that Clemson won.

What I can't accept is when people pretend it was all perfectly above board, like nothing stinky happened in the slightest and everything was perfectly fair.
 

MplsGopher said:
Agree to disagree PF. Ohio State was clearly the better team, and should've won the game by a TD or two. Refs were horse dung and stole the game from them.

Weird, an SEC crew. And the SEC and ACC are literally owned at this point by whom? That's right, ESPN. As is the CFP.


I'm starting to wonder if the Big Ten and the PAC shouldn't give ESPN a big, fat middle finger, and pull the eject handle on this fake "national championship" system. If those two confs won't participate, then they can't claim it as an objective championship.

Sign big contracts with FOX and CBS, and take the Rose Bowl too with them to those networks.

Piss off, ESPN!
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Totally agree Ohio State was the better team by far. That’s why am putting my pick on LSU. Clemson was lucky, I guess all teams have that chance and it was a horse shoe day for them.
 



BarnBall said:
Totally agree Ohio State was the better team by far. That’s why am putting my pick on LSU. Clemson was lucky, I guess all teams have that chance and it was a horse shoe day for them.
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Because if there's any team that deserves a break, it is Clemson!

What with the brutal schedule that they have to slog through every year to make it back to the CFP, every year.
 

BarnBall said:
Ohio State was the better team. Hands-down. Penalties were a big setback but they should’ve won this game by two touchdowns. Pulling for LSU to beat them by 14
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I totally get what you are saying, OSU would probably win three of five or maybe seven of 10 over Clemson. but in big games the best teams also avoid costly penalties like the roughing the kicker one. It was a big time heavyweight fight. Toe to toe.
 

MplsGopher said:
Because if there's any team that deserves a break, it is Clemson!

What with the brutal schedule that they have to slog through every year to make it back to the CFP, every year.
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Will agree, the black and white stripes sure favored Clemson in that game all the way around. I can’t say it enough I hope LSU puts a beat down on them.
If you listened to the interview of the Ohio State coach he was very upset with how some of the calls went
 

MplsGopher said:
The one earlier where Dobbins caught the ball for TD and then the ground caused him to lose control of it, is bogus in my opinion. That effort should've been rewarded with a TD. Fine, if the rules are clear, not gonna argue it, but I still think that should've been a TD.
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That was so obvious with the ref looking right at it and he should have called it incomplete so the booth wouldn't have to overturn it.
 





This is what’s most astounding to me regarding Burrow. He was average at best last season. Have we ever see a QB make that big of a jump from his Junior to Senior year?

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He’s obviously very accurate, and he has a great line to work behind and his receivers have some of the stickiest hands I’ve seen. Makes great decisions. Add it all up...
 

I imagine he got a lot more help this season. Better protection, much better running game, setting up the pass.

His average pass attempts per game only went up from 29 to 34. But his completion percentage went from 58% to 78% !!

That can hide a lot of factors. Were the throws shorter? Were there less drops? Less defended balls?
 

MplsGopher said:
I imagine he got a lot more help this season. Better protection, much better running game, setting up the pass.

His average pass attempts per game only went up from 29 to 34. But his completion percentage went from 58% to 78% !!

That can hide a lot of factors. Were the throws shorter? Were there less drops? Less defended balls?
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Steriods!

In all seriousness, LSU had a good team last year too. He must have put in a lot of work in the off-season, or something. It’s remarkable.
 

I have trouble believing that even "a lot of work in the off-season" can explain a 20% jump in completion percentage.

Did they change OC? If not, maybe their guy just decided to call plays differently. Maybe Burrow decided to go for easier/higher percentage throws more often?

Something fundamentally changed, as clear that they won more games this year.
 

Ohio State had no chance with the SEC officials. None. Maybe the B1G can return the favor in the championship game. The most egregious missed call was the scramble throw to the sideline where the Ohio State receiver was grabbed and thrown to the ground. No call.
 

I saw no issues with officiating other than the “completion and fumble” versus “incompletion” review reversal. And that play shows the need to more definitively define what a catch is. Like saying the receiver must control the ball for a full second (an objective, measurable definition) instead of the current, subjective “football move” definition.
 

LSU made a massive change in offensive philosophy this year. The constipated traditional under center, I formation has given way to the spread and they have elite athletes.

Their tight end Moss is over 500 yards on the season :D
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Ohio State outgained Clemson by a hundred yards, put up 516 yards. This, despite a RB hobbled for half the game and Fields as a runner wasn’t 100%.

These things always come down to a couple plays here or there. Fields made some dumb throws. Lawrence ran for over a hundred including a long TD. Overturns, non-calls, questionable calls all night.

Ultimately Ohio State wasn’t able to do enough or play mistake free enough to beat both Clemson and the zebras. Buckeye fans probably feel a lot like Vikings fans the morning after the NFC championship game vs the Saints.
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No, they have actually won something.
 

MplsGopher said:
Target was meh. Easy to argue it either way. Roughing was abosultely bogus. Punter jumped into the guy. Running into at max
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The targeting call was karma for the missed one on Liedner.
your interpretation of the roughing the punter is ludicrous. You’re saying the punter jumped into the guy, which means after he caught the snap and started his steps he would have had to look up to see the OSU guy running free, determined that he wasn’t actually going to be able to block the punt, so as he’s about to kick it he decides to jump a little higher and to his left so the guy will run into him more forcefully thus drawing a 15 yard roughing call? If that punter can do that he should be able to get that call on every punt where the other team send at least one guy.
Bottom line is OSU let Clemson hang around early because they couldn’t get TD’s, made too many mistakes in the middle to allow Clemson back in, then didn’t finish the game well as their Too rated D couldn’t stop Clemson when they needed to.
 

The game was a Debbie Downer scripted by SEC refs. TOSU had an opportunity to put the knockout punch early, but couldn't do it in the red zone multiple time.
 

Amazing Clemson pulled this out. They were outplayed almost all night. OSU was clearly the better team and the statistics show that. You could certainly say Clemson got some help from the refs, but the real difference was the two turnovers.
 

GFBfan said:
The targeting call was karma for the missed one on Liedner.
your interpretation of the roughing the punter is ludicrous. You’re saying the punter jumped into the guy, which means after he caught the snap and started his steps he would have had to look up to see the OSU guy running free, determined that he wasn’t actually going to be able to block the punt, so as he’s about to kick it he decides to jump a little higher and to his left so the guy will run into him more forcefully thus drawing a 15 yard roughing call? If that punter can do that he should be able to get that call on every punt where the other team send at least one guy.
Bottom line is OSU let Clemson hang around early because they couldn’t get TD’s, made too many mistakes in the middle to allow Clemson back in, then didn’t finish the game well as their Too rated D couldn’t stop Clemson when they needed to.
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The NCAA rule is really vague and ultimately boils down to a judgement call and very often if the kicker flops well enough they’ll call the roughing. To me it’s ludicrous incidental contact, no contact with a plant leg or extended kicking leg is a 15 yarder... but it is what it is.

What bothers me in addition to the other stuff was the obvious PI not called on Clemson in the 4th quarter. Soft interpretation here, hard interpretation there is confusing and concerning.

along those lines, incidental head to head contact is an auto ejection. What is the spirit and intent of these rules? The zero tolerance concept is interesting when it is not applied anywhere else.

Lastly, if the strip and TD call had not been reversed does Clemson win? 99% chance no. Then they’d be crying and people would say they didn’t make enough plays, etc etc. That was an abomination of a call.
 

I agree on the strip fumble TD. It should have stood as called. He made a football move after catching it when he lifted the ball up to avoid the first attempt of the DB to knock it away.
 

IIRC the punter retracted his legs and landed on top of the Ohio State player causing him to tumble. IIRC he never contacted the plant leg at all which is a key component.

What is your interpretation of the rule? It can’t simply be getting run into and falling down which is what happened there. In fact that is specifically excluded as roughing in the NFL.
 

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