***OFFICIAL YALE AT MINNESOTA IN-GAME THREAD!!!***

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MNVCGUY said:
Didn't want to reply to this during the game because frankly an ingame thread isn't really the spot for it.....

But holy crap....you and a couple of other posters are so dead set on this idea that there is some Ben Johnson fan club that is in love with the coach and blindly supporting him no matter what. It is really pathetic.

Not going to recap my take on Johnson and his future here.....no point because you won't be able to comprehend it anyway and will just keep pushing your narrative because it gives you something to try and hold over other posters even if it is just BS.
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Lou Hudson said:
Butch played for Wisconsin, wasn’t drafted, had a cup of coffee with a couple of NBA teams, then played overseas for several seasons. Now does color on BADger radio and the an occasional B10 game.
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And he's 7 feet tall.....was probably the highest rated Badger recruit of all time. (Sam Okey, maybe?)
 






MNVCGUY said:
Thanks for proving my point....in the post you are referring to I said he deserved a chance to coach the team he had assembled last year.

Also said in the exact same post that a case could have been made for firing him when all those players left but the people who actually make the decisions chose not too.....but apparently that is too tough of a concept for you to understand. So just keep cherrypicking the words that you think prove your point.
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My guess is he had to take the ASVAB 4 or 5 times to get into the AF. :)
 






I was at the game. First half, obviously very, very disappointing again! Rigsby stepped up and looked like he realized that he needed to score and be more aggressive. The defense was good, not great. Our guard play, overall, is very disappointing. Lu’ he Patterson is shooting horribly. Free throws? Expect better from seniors. The new big me, Mitchell and Edmunds — no threat inside.

Ball movement still really stagnant, too much dribbling, not enough cutting to the basket, too much watching Garcia and not getting open when he is double-teamed. And what happened to Fox? He had only like 14 minutes? Was he sick or injured? He played with little fire.

The team lacks scoring punch. If Bigsby can continue to score, that will help. Get Mitchell back, that will help, but we’re going to need some kind of inside presence, and L Patterson is going to have to stop shooting from outside and drive to the hoop. Femi? Where’s his game?

Get it together guys or it’s gonna be a long season (and don’t tell me it’s all coaching — this has a lot to do with personnel.
 
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Dsigma42 said:
The most painful thing about this team is Patterson and Femi being the main ball handlers. Look at the first scrimmage game when both of those guys were out and the offense was fast and the ball moved. Mitchell started at point and then was the off guard when Asuma came in. Now look at how terrible the offense has been since Patterson and Femi returned - stagnant and no ball movement. This is going to be a long season if CBJ continues with playing favorites to Patterson and Femi. Play Asuma at the point and let him grow. Playing off the ball is not his game. Patterson wasn’t the point guard at Charlotte last year so why try to make him one now. Bad coach = fired before conference play.
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Spot on, you would have thought CBJ would have learned with Cooper what slow methodical PG's do for or to an offense. Asuma looks lost out there but who could play with Patterson or Femi handling the ball.
 

I may have been wrong about the outcome of this game, but it still feels like a loss. I'm having a hard time wanting to watch, and that has never happened for any Gophers sport with me. Women's team much more interesting to watch, but then Coyle signs up to play games not televised. Dumb.
 


4 games into the season and he has already started to shorten his bench. 7 guys with meaningful minutes yesterday. He can feel the hands around his neck tighten as he starts to choke away season #4
 


RockChalk said:
4 games into the season and he has already started to shorten his bench. 7 guys with meaningful minutes yesterday. He can feel the hands around his neck tighten as he starts to choke away season #4
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And only two are a viable offensive threat. I've been a Johnson backer but I think its time for a change, sooner rather than later and finish with an interim coach this season.
 


Go4POV said:
You think he had control over who left and how much NIL $$ there was to offer potential transfers. Dream on!
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That may be true but I have a hard time believing North Texas, or Yale or the majority of our non-con opponents have more NIL money than us.
Comes down to coaching and meshing the talent you have access to. So far, he hasn't shown the ability to maximize, or even be average at, that IMO.
 

Go4POV said:
You think he had control over who left and how much NIL $$ there was to offer potential transfers. Dream on!
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He's still ultimately responsible. I'm not sure how much money played a part, but, if it was the only factor in players leaving, he clearly should have paid Hawkins and Payne and let Garcia kick rocks.
 

Go4POV said:
The new big me, Mitchell and Edmunds — no threat inside.

The team lacks scoring punch.
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I'm going to disagree with you about Frank Mitchell. Based on what I saw against Yale, he's the kind of guy who can make a difference even if he only averages 2-4 points per game. He had 6 offensive rebounds in 22 minutes yesterday. He also takes up a lot of space and he fights for boards. Edmunds has been a fair inside scorer off the bench so far but he plays softer. The problem with both players is you have to pray that they go to the line as little as possible.

Yes, scoring is this team's biggest problem by far. They're not only last in the conference in scoring at 64.5 points per game; they're last by a sizeable amount. The next lowest team (Washington) averages 5.2 points more per game. The 9th best scoring team in the league (Michigan State) averages 83 points - about 19 more per game than the Gophers.

The Gophers are second best in the league in points allowed per game (57.8). I think they'll still be a pretty good defensive team in Big Ten play (as long as they stay healthy) but they're not going to limit Big Ten teams to the high 50s on average. They simply have to figure out a way to score more in order to have any success in conference play.

Early last season I had a pretty good feeling about the team being much improved from the year before because they showed early that they could score. Right now this team's scoring ability looks like the team two years ago. We all know how that worked out.
 

Lou Hudson said:
Butch played for Wisconsin, wasn’t drafted, had a cup of coffee with a couple of NBA teams, then played overseas for several seasons. Now does color on BADger radio and the an occasional B10 game.
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Thank you.
 

TwistingMyMelon said:
I'm going to disagree with you about Frank Mitchell. Based on what I saw against Yale, he's the kind of guy who can make a difference even if he only averages 2-4 points per game. He had 6 offensive rebounds in 22 minutes yesterday. He also takes up a lot of space and he fights for boards. Edmunds has been a fair inside scorer off the bench so far but he plays softer. The problem with both players is you have to pray that they go to the line as little as possible.

Yes, scoring is this team's biggest problem by far. They're not only last in the conference in scoring at 64.5 points per game; they're last by a sizeable amount. The next lowest team (Washington) averages 5.2 points more per game. The 9th best scoring team in the league (Michigan State) averages 83 points - about 19 more per game than the Gophers.

The Gophers are second best in the league in points allowed per game (57.8). I think they'll still be a pretty good defensive team in Big Ten play (as long as they stay healthy) but they're not going to limit Big Ten teams to the high 50s on average. They simply have to figure out a way to score more in order to have any success in conference play.

Early last season I had a pretty good feeling about the team being much improved from the year before because they showed early that they could score. Right now this team's scoring ability looks like the team two years ago. We all know how that worked out.
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Point taken about Big Frank. Hopefully he can dump in some garbage buckets and continue to board.
 

forever a gopher said:
Was at the game today and saw Coyle there. It took every fiber of my being to not ask him why he doesn’t give a crap about this program.
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Why should he?

If an administration on the other side of the country paid me a million dollars per year...I'd regurgitate whatever crap they told me to say. I wouldn't give a rat's ass about the won-loss record.
 


TNGophfan said:
That may be true but I have a hard time believing North Texas, or Yale or the majority of our non-con opponents have more NIL money than us.
Comes down to coaching and meshing the talent you have access to. So far, he hasn't shown the ability to maximize, or even be average at, that IMO.
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North Texas, Yale, and other teams like that will stink for sure.

Minnesota...we can aim for being above stinking. Implement a plan to go 6-14 or 8-12 in conference play. If that makes you happy.

But Ben didn't do that. He assembled a very good team...and all the players got bought by the paying teams.
 

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