***OFFICIAL MINNESOTA AT MUSSELMAN (USC) IN-GAME THREAD!!!***

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Bayfieldgopher said:
Refs are lucky to be right 50% of the time. In my world that's an F. Who would want a job like that?

Officiating and the game has changed so much the past 20-25 years. Players now are very aggressive with the ball on offense and their hands and reaching in on D. It grinds me when the offense player goes up to shoot and moves into the defender who has the right to be there with hand arms vertical and gets called for a shooting foul. IMO, at best thats a no call. And post defenders push, shove, elbow to keep the player from his right for position and seldom get called. Yet a defender gets called for lightly hand checking a dribbler. Traveling and 3 seconds are forgotten violations but the Euro step is now cool. And so on.........
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Agree. The players aren't running around in their Chuck Taylors anymore. Players are bigger, stronger, faster, and can do things that were only dreamt about in an earlier era. Refs just can't keep up with that and it's really hard to blame them.
 


50PoundHead said:
Agree. The players aren't running around in their Chuck Taylors anymore. Players are bigger, stronger, faster, and can do things that were only dreamt about in an earlier era. Refs just can't keep up with that and it's really hard to blame them.
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Counter argument: There are now three referees for each game instead of two. Second, you underestimate the skills and speed of the past. The problem is that these refs are hired as if reffing were a side gig rather than their entire career. Unlike players who hone their skills 365 days per year, these refs are honing a different career and side hustling reffing.
 

Big Dawg said:
Moving picks rarely get called.
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I think they are called quite frequently even if not all the time they occur. Picks on perimeter are called all the time and might be one of the easiest calls for a ref because they are in wide open court.
 









Bad Gopher said:
When we booed the shit out of Battle last year, it gave me renewed hope and faith. There is something special about this city, this fan base, this building.
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At the risk of repeating myself the per capita enthusiasm for the Big Ten games has been terrific if the team gives us any reason for hope in a given game—and like football and hockey the students are engaged. I’m 62 and my Gopher basketball fire burns bright—give me 40 competitive minutes for a Power Four opponent at Williams Arens anytime!
 


Holy Man said:
I think they are called quite frequently even if not all the time they occur. Picks on perimeter are called all the time and might be one of the easiest calls for a ref because they are in wide open court.
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In college they still call moving screens. In the NBA you can basically grab the defender and take him with you and nothing will be called. Carries, Traveling, 3 second violations.....those things rarely get called in both college and pro ball (especially pro ball) but moving screens are still mostly enforced in college basketball at least.
 






I can imagine all of the B1G coaches on a conference call w/o CBJ intricately laying out their schedules and deciding which team will lose to Minnesota at which point in the season so Johnson does just well enough to save his job and remain our coach. Surely I'm not the only one...
 

Muss not impressive in this one. He even managed to pull a Ben Johnson. Puts in a guy who didn't play all game, that guy finds himself with ball in his hands and gets stripped. Maybe not the same as Betts committing the foul heard round the world, but it's in the same stratosphere.
 






FinnGopher said:
Counter argument: There are now three referees for each game instead of two. Second, you underestimate the skills and speed of the past. The problem is that these refs are hired as if reffing were a side gig rather than their entire career. Unlike players who hone their skills 365 days per year, these refs are honing a different career and side hustling reffing.
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Yes there are three refs now and while I may have underrated the skills of the past, I don't think I underrated the speed of the past. Players are bigger, stronger, and faster than they were way back when. In the 1970s, we were told to never lift weights. While our coaches were only half-wrong because weight training was in its infancy then, we were noodle-arms compared with the players of today.
 

I think Ben's tenure here needs to be done. But I will say this- if he is able to get 8 or more Big Ten wins out of this group....that's actually a pretty good coaching job. Who here thinks that we have even close to average Big Ten talent? The biggest problem with Ben, is that he just doesn't bring in enough talent and he doesn't have the personality to pull in big support- which makes it more and more difficult to bring in talent.
 


50PoundHead said:
Yes there are three refs now and while I may have underrated the skills of the past, I don't think I underrated the speed of the past. Players are bigger, stronger, and faster than they were way back when. In the 1970s, we were told to never lift weights. While our coaches were only half-wrong because weight training was in its infancy then, we were noodle-arms compared with the players of today.
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Elgin Baylor would still kick ass and take names. Just saying.
 

bga1 said:
I think Ben's tenure here needs to be done. But I will say this- if he is able to get 8 or more Big Ten wins out of this group....that's actually a pretty good coaching job. Who here thinks that we have even close to average Big Ten talent? The biggest problem with Ben, is that he just doesn't bring in enough talent and he doesn't have the personality to pull in big support- which makes it more and more difficult to bring in talent.
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This team is fully capable of losing to anybody. Having written that, eight wins is now very doable, even predictable. If Ben gets to eight and wins one in the tournament he probably gets another year, especially with the reasonably strong HS class coming in.
 


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