***OFFICIAL MINNESOTA AT MICHIGAN STATE IN-GAME THREAD!!!***

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Otis said:
There was no way they were going to be close with the following stat lines.

Outrebounded 40-22! Ouch!

Outfreethrowed 20-5 in attempts, 15-3 in makes! Ouch!

You can’t make up for that unless you shoot 60% or something crazy.

We are just too soft, short, and unathletic to bang with the teams with B1G level size underneath.
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True. AND they shot 20 FTs, we shot 6, which is a reflection of their taking the ball to the rim and grabbing offensive boards for second chance buckets.
 

Otis said:
We are just too soft, short, and unathletic to bang with the teams with B1G level size underneath.
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Certainly partially true but precision of speech is not a strength of yours.

We have severe problems with conference teams having a combination of significant size and talent but we have outrebounded 4 of the 9 Big Ten teams we've played so far this season and tied another so we have been outrebounded by 4 of our conference opponents to date with one of them outrebounding us (significantly) twice.

It should also be noted that if we count Michigan State twice (since we played them twice), those opponents who have outrebounded us have a cumulative conference record to date of 36-10.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Agree, Odukale isn't a traditional point guard by any means but he is bringing a lot to the team when he is on the court. Patterson is playing better than he did early in the season but if Asuma is going to take minutes from anyone it is probably him.
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I won't die on a hill between Odukale and Patterson but I think the biggest issue the team has is they can't score. The defense is decent. Either way, Asuma, Garcia and Mitchell are the only three who can somewhat consistently get and make their own shot so they should all start. I'd also start Edmonds over Fox.
 

howeda7 said:
I won't die on a hill between Odukale and Patterson but I think the biggest issue the team has is they can't score. The defense is decent. Either way, Asuma, Garcia and Mitchell are the only three who can somewhat consistently get and make their own shot so they should all start. I'd also start Edmonds over Fox.
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To me I would have Odukale, Mike Mitchell and Garcia locked in as starters. You then need one of Edmonds, Fox or Frank Mitchell to go with Garcia and you need either Patterson or Asuma at the guard spot.

Asuma is definitely a better shooter percentage wise than Patterson at both 2s and 3s. Patterson is a more willing shooter. But maybe the biggest difference between the 2 is ball security. Patterson has committed 22 turnovers, Asuma has committed 27....not a huge difference but on the season Asuma has logged 160 fewer total minutes than Patterson.
 


MNVCGUY said:
Their schedule is definitely backloaded so will find out if they are top 10 good and a legit National title contender but after 26 straight trips to the NCAA tournament it is a pretty safe bet they are one of the better teams in the country this year.
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In some years I think they have received tournament invites based more on reputation than accomplishments for those seasons but this certainly isn't one of those years. So far they look like a team that could win 30+ games this season (counting post-season).
 

MNVCGUY said:
Agree, Odukale isn't a traditional point guard by any means but he is bringing a lot to the team when he is on the court. Patterson is playing better than he did early in the season but if Asuma is going to take minutes from anyone it is probably him.
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Odukale should not be playing point guard. The reality is that he should probably replace Fox. He does most things better than Fox and while he not a good shooter from range, he at least has to be guarded.

Garcia has become more engaged on the defensive end lately and if that continues it allows them to go small with Garcia/Odukale/Patterson/Mitchell and Asuma or big with Edmunds/Garcia/Odukale/Mitchell and Asuma. Ben still has Asuma in the corners which I don't understand at all. He moves the ball quickly, better than anyone they have. Play him at the point. Probe and dish.
 

MNVCGUY said:
To me I would have Odukale, Mike Mitchell and Garcia locked in as starters. You then need one of Edmonds, Fox or Frank Mitchell to go with Garcia and you need either Patterson or Asuma at the guard spot.

Asuma is definitely a better shooter percentage wise than Patterson at both 2s and 3s. Patterson is a more willing shooter. But maybe the biggest difference between the 2 is ball security. Patterson has committed 22 turnovers, Asuma has committed 27....not a huge difference but on the season Asuma has logged 160 fewer total minutes than Patterson.
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Patterson has improved but he is the king of the shot clock violation. He dribbles the mess out of it and burns clock. If turnovers were charged to individuals for shot clock violations he would have 20 more of them.
 

TwistingMyMelon said:
Certainly partially true but precision of speech is not a strength of yours.
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Ms. Johnson, from 10th grade English, I thought you would be dead by now!

It’s a board for posting opinions, lighten up dude.

You wrote outrebounded 5 times in your post, yet failed to make an intelligent point about the subject. Except to prove my point that we can’t rebound with the better teams.

Thanks!
 



bga1 said:
Patterson has improved but he is the king of the shot clock violation. He dribbles the mess out of it and burns clock. If turnovers were charged to individuals for shot clock violations he would have 20 more of them.
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For a player who has played as much basketball as he has, Patterson's shot clock awareness is shockingly bad. Announcer even pointed out during the game that the MSU fans essentially make it really easy by starting a count down a few seconds ahead of the actual countdown. Once they stop counting you only have a couple seconds left before the actual shot clock violation.

Asuma is a true freshman logging 20+ minutes every game. I guess I don't stress too much about whether or not he is on the court when the game starts because he is still logging near starter level minutes.
 

Since the underlying theme in player turnover in the last 3 years has been more NIL elsewhere, I feel obligated to ask "Has DTA failed Gopher MBB?"
 

Otis said:
Ms. Johnson, from 10th grade English, I thought you would be dead by now!

It’s a board for posting opinions, lighten up dude.

You wrote outrebounded 5 times in your post, yet failed to make an intelligent point about the subject. Except to prove my point that we can’t rebound with the better teams.

Thanks!
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No, you said (quote): "We are just too soft, short, and unathletic to bang with the teams with B1G level size underneath."

I said that was partially true but we have been able to outrebound 4 of the 9 Big Ten teams we've played and tie another.

Don't blame me that you're a sloppy and simple-minded thinker and writer. I'm just the messenger. And, yes, this is a board where opinions are posted and I just posted my opinion of you.
 

TwistingMyMelon said:
No, you said (quote): "We are just too soft, short, and unathletic to bang with the teams with B1G level size underneath."

I said that was partially true but we have been able to outrebound 4 of the 9 Big Ten teams we've played and tie another.

Don't blame me that you're a sloppy and simple-minded thinker and writer. I'm just the messenger. And, yes, this is a board where opinions are posted and I just posted my opinion of you.
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Well, we have been outrebounded in 6 games.
We have a 1-5 record in those games with the one win being a last second prayer shot. Those five teams are the top 4 teams in the conference and Indiana.

We have a 2-2 record in games we had the rebounding advantage.

Just saying.
 
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MaxyJR1 said:
Asuma is getting better and isn’t ready to start.

Betts plays as much as he should.

We are not skilled beyond 2-3 players and if they don’t score we’re done.

Patterson going out with 2 fouls killed any game plan and Asuma isn’t ready for those extended minutes.
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Got to 165 posts before anyone noticed one of our starting guards had 2 fouls in 30 seconds!
 

One of the commentators said the U needs a more aggressive Asuma! Good point. Not sure if his passiveness on offense is due to playing with nothing but seniors? But he needs to have more of a takeover attitude on offense!
 

Gopheritnow said:
One of the commentators said the U needs a more aggressive Asuma! Good point. Not sure if his passiveness on offense is due to playing with nothing but seniors? But he needs to have more of a takeover attitude on offense!
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He got aggressive and fast once and it was blocked and headed the other way quickly. He will mature and gain strength down the road. We had no ball movement to free up anyone last night.
 


Otis said:
Well, we have been outrebounded in 6 games.
We have a 1-5 record in those games with the one win being a last second prayer shot. Those five teams are the top 4 teams in the conference and Indiana.

We have a 2-2 record in games we had the rebounding advantage.

Just saying.
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Very good! Much better! If you would have said that we don't have what it takes to match up with most of the better conference teams with talented size or even just the "better teams" in general, I would have agreed with you. But, we have been able to match up with some Big Ten teams and we have a larger number of the lesser ones in the back half of the schedule than we had in the first half.
 

TwistingMyMelon said:
No, you said (quote): "We are just too soft, short, and unathletic to bang with the teams with B1G level size underneath."

I said that was partially true but we have been able to outrebound 4 of the 9 Big Ten teams we've played and tie another.

Don't blame me that you're a sloppy and simple-minded thinker and writer. I'm just the messenger. And, yes, this is a board where opinions are posted and I just posted my opinion of you.
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TwistingMyMelon said:
Very good! Much better! If you would have said that we don't have what it takes to match up with most of the better conference teams with talented size or even just the "better teams" in general, I would have agreed with you. But, we have been able to match up with some Big Ten teams and we have a larger number of the lesser ones in the back half of the schedule than we had in the first half.
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i thought it was pretty obvious, but I see I need to be more descriptive for some individuals.

The point spreads when being out rebounded are 16.5. While the games where we won the board battle average 4 pts.

Most people would be able to say “duh”!
 



Go4POV said:
Asuma has near starter minutes. Odukala is one of the best defenders and rebounders on the team. If any starter should sit, IMO, it should be Patterson. He dribbles away a lot of minutes without looking to pass or penetrate. His shooting percentages is horrible.

Betts? Still a question mark. He is mistake-prone, but is that solely due to a lack of PT?
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Don't leave out Fox. He should never start other than Senior night and that might be iffy.
 



golfing18now said:
You are correct here and he's a better coach than what I'm about to say.....but, it is amazing how many times the camera catches him with arms crossed looking upward at the scoreboard. He's a compulsive scoreboard watcher. I've found drinking at every occurrence to be a great drinking game.
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It reminds me of Packer fans being critical of Ray Rhodes standing on the sideline with a blank face, looking like a doofus, chewing gum, as his team was failing. They canned him after one year, of course, because they have standards and don't fuck around.
 

GopherBlood777 said:
No one cared because it forced Ben to bring in Asuma earlier than normal.
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Ben, starting small, gave a huge advantage to MSU in the paint. MSU immediately recognized the mismatch and abused Patterson down low. After Patterson left, MSU abused Asuma as well. I have no idea what Johnson was thinking in giving up size to a Sparty team that doesn't shoot 3s very well, but will pound the paint and the glass with their bigs. It was playing right into Izzo's wheelhouse and offering up a sacrificial lamb in Patterson and Asuma.
 

FinnGopher said:
Ben, starting small, gave a huge advantage to MSU in the paint. MSU immediately recognized the mismatch and abused Patterson down low. After Patterson left, MSU abused Asuma as well. I have no idea what Johnson was thinking in giving up size to a Sparty team that doesn't shoot 3s very well, but will pound the paint and the glass with their bigs. It was playing right into Izzo's wheelhouse and offering up a sacrificial lamb in Patterson and Asuma.
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Exhibit A as to why he should be fired. You know what you are going to get but for some reason you stubbornly do exactly the opposite of what you should do. Play right into Izzo’s hands and stick your team right in the hole to start the game. That’s why he is so totally frustrating to watch operate. His coaching acumen has nothing to do with NIL, he just isn’t a good coach!
 


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