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jamalo said:
ok; fair enough. My only question is about the front court, especially if he gets Walton and Ellison[/QUOTE

Again I am not a Pitino hater, I questioned that a guy 1 year older than me is ready for a big ten job when he was hired and I am trying to say he has no track record all for me to put any faith in him. I hope to hell we get those two, I hope he proves me wrong but I just don't see anything to show me that he can.
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jamalo said:
talking about strictly point guard. Obviously in terms of play makers, Jackson, Grier, Jacobson and Quincy Lewis would have been far superior
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Eric Harris was a better player by his senior year in my opinion. Al nolen or Mathieu I would have to think some more on that.
 

rivergopher said:
jamalo said:
ok; fair enough. My only question is about the front court, especially if he gets Walton and Ellison[/QUOTE

Again I am not a Pitino hater, I questioned that a guy 1 year older than me is ready for a big ten job when he was hired and I am trying to say he has no track record all for me to put any faith in him. I hope to hell we get those two, I hope he proves me wrong but I just don't see anything to show me that he can.
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Don't disagree if you can get a Tim Miles, but beyond that, it is likely a crap shoot. I'm just glad we didn't end up with the Alabama guy or a couple of the other names that were thrown around
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rivergopher said:
Eric Harris was a better player by his senior year in my opinion. Al nolen or Mathieu I would have to think some more on that.
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Loved Eric Harris but he couldn't create his shot around the basket like Mathieu does, IMO. I totally think that we would have been in the national championship game if Harris didn't get hurt and don't care about the NCAA sanction crap that people will say since NC hasn't vacated 20 years from the record books
 


Gopherfan12 said:
jamalo said:
Agree since we aren't a basketball powerhouse we have to try and make a "splash" with a young coach
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agree, and I think that is what we did with this hire. It isn't that difficult to figure out which offspring are just hanging on (Saul) versus those who actually have the acumen. I doubt that Donovan and others would have stuck their neck out for him if he was just a warm body
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rivergopher said:
Would love to have had him at even 35 or 40 after a few more years of winning at lower levels, he had one winning season with another coaches players. Fine it carries some weight but if we are 3 years in and 3 Nits I would say that if in year 4, if there is not an NCAA touranment then it is time to move on.
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Dude, we get the message! You've said it over and over. You're like Groot from Guardians of the Galaxy.
 

If we go to 3 Nits and Fire Pitino after that I'm picking another team to root for.
 

WanderingGopher said:
Duh. People are pissed because we just blew the second-easiest opportunity for a road win on our entire conference schedule.
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+1

If you can't beat the easier teams in the conference on the road, you can forget any prayer of finishing above .500 in conference. And going 9-0 at home in conference is extremely difficult. How few teams even pull that off each year?
 



rivergopher said:
I will say Mason is going to be a special player, but Mathieu? Really what is he? He is a mid tier-to maybe top 4 pg (see 1 assist and 4 turnovers today big numbers in the non-conference) big ten pg, Al Nolen was that. I am not going to fall over backwards that he brought in average to above average pg.
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Holy crap, this has to be a bit. Where did I say you should fall over backwards about this? If Pitino doesn't bring in Mathieu last year Hollins plays the point all year and we probably don't even make the NIT. You're so blinded by your hate that you can't at least give Pitino credit for finding an all conference honorable mention player that late in the recruiting process. He's a good player no matter how much you try to downplay him.

Lets wait and see how the rest of the season plays out with Morris first.
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Fair enough but I think he has shown enough to me that he is at least a solid player at a position of need.

No I do not think the programs future is where I would like it to be.
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And there is nothing wrong with that.

He has brought in questionable characters (see Mcneil, and Lofton)
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I'll give you Lofton. Do you have proof that McNeil had previous issues or character problems? If not, then this is just something that happens from time to time.

and questionalbe talent (see Maritin)
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You mean the guy who had offers from schools like Florida St., California, Gonzaga, Oklahoma St., Pittsburgh, UCLA, Washington, and Washington St.? What happened with him had very little to do with his talent being questionable. Most frosh struggle early on in their career. To say he was not talented because of 8 games is ridiculous.

If his track record persists one of the 4 guys coming in will be booted by him or the school and one simply won't be good enough.
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Yep, no other coaches have issues with players transferring or getting in trouble.

I hope Nwanko is the real deal not so sure but he has not proven to me whatsoever that he can get the neccessary big men to win in the big ten.
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You have a great basketball mind. None of these big men who are frosh or still in high school haven't proven to you that they are good enough for the Big Ten. Seriously, think about that. How ridiculous does that sound?

You're being such a hypocrite. You're willing to rip Pitino for guys who don't appear to be good enough to you yet won't give him credit for the guys who are good enough. You're mad at people for being optimistic about the future because Pitino hasn't proven anything yet, but have no problem ripping him for seasons that haven't even happened yet.
 

rivergopher said:
ok; fair enough. My only question is about the front court, especially if he gets Walton and Ellison[/QUOTE

Again I am not a Pitino hater, I questioned that a guy 1 year older than me is ready for a big ten job when he was hired and I am trying to say he has no track record all for me to put any faith in him. I hope to hell we get those two, I hope he proves me wrong but I just don't see anything to show me that he can.
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Last time I am going to respond to your posts. Serious question for you: If we were in the same situation today with a more experienced, older coach (same players, same system, same recruits, etc), would your opinion change? It seems everything you're saying comes back to the fact you just don't like the hire. Because of that, you can't look at the positive things he has done, and won't even try to understand why some people are optimistic about the future.
 

jamalo said:
rivergopher said:
Don't disagree if you can get a Tim Miles, but beyond that, it is likely a crap shoot. I'm just glad we didn't end up with the Alabama guy or a couple of the other names that were thrown around
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Imagine the s*itstorm we would have here if Tim Miles were the Gophers coach and we had the home losses Nebraska has had this season.
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mplarson7 said:
Such an epic meltdown for a conference road loss. Imagine what this board would look like if we lost at home to NJIT...or Texas Southern...or Incarnate Word.
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Because it was one of those rare winnable road games in-conference that we were up by 12 in and lost. It now turns up the pressure even more to win on the road against better teams and in even tougher venues, while making it even more critical to be perfect at home. If this team thinks of itself as an NCAA tournament team a win today would have been an important step to making that happen.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Holy crap, this has to be a bit. Where did I say you should fall over backwards about this? If Pitino doesn't bring in Mathieu last year Hollins plays the point all year and we probably don't even make the NIT. You're so blinded by your hate that you can't at least give Pitino credit for finding an all conference honorable mention player that late in the recruiting process. He's a good player no matter how much you try to downplay him.



Fair enough but I think he has shown enough to me that he is at least a solid player at a position of need.



And there is nothing wrong with that.



I'll give you Lofton. Do you have proof that McNeil had previous issues or character problems? If not, then this is just something that happens from time to time.



You mean the guy who had offers from schools like Florida St., California, Gonzaga, Oklahoma St., Pittsburgh, UCLA, Washington, and Washington St.? What happened with him had very little to do with his talent being questionable. Most frosh struggle early on in their career. To say he was not talented because of 8 games is ridiculous.



Yep, no other coaches have issues with players transferring or getting in trouble.



You have a great basketball mind. None of these big men who are frosh or still in high school haven't proven to you that they are good enough for the Big Ten. Seriously, think about that. How ridiculous does that sound?

You're being such a hypocrite. You're willing to rip Pitino for guys who don't appear to be good enough to you yet won't give him credit for the guys who are good enough. You're mad at people for being optimistic about the future because Pitino hasn't proven anything yet, but have no problem ripping him for seasons that haven't even happened yet.
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Well great he is brought him some big ten talent in the backcourt(nothing exceptional although I do see Masons talent and court presence as a future 1st team all big ten player). He has shown nothing in being able to get a big ten big, I am not ripping anyone, everyone can have their own opionions. I just said that "I" do not get the optisism because he has done nothing to show he can succeed at this level. I simply do not think his stlye will work(in the big ten) and see him outcoached both in person and on the television although not as much as I intially suspected would happen. Seasons have not happened yet, this one is here and now and I think with the realtively weakness of the big ten, you are going to need 10 confernece wins to get a strong enough RPI, just do not see that happening. 3 of the 5 starters are his, and 5 of the 9 that play are, good coaches adjust to their players when the talent is not there to play their style. I think the talent is here to be here to be a NCAA tournament team. As for Martin lets see where he ends up if those 8 games really did not matter if he ends up at Cal-Poly can you admit that it was a big miss on talent.(as I am sure those other schools will breathe a sigh of relief.) What Mcneil did to that woman was repugnant and his charcter showed through. You or I do not know his background or history but yeah if I recruit a guy I darn well better know if a guy is capable of that and it reflects on my judge of character.. This is not football where I do think you need 4 full recruiting cycles although like I said if in year 4 no NCAA tournament in my opionion it is time to move on.
 

GibsonSG said:
+1

If you can't beat the easier teams in the conference on the road, you can forget any prayer of finishing above .500 in conference. And going 9-0 at home in conference is extremely difficult. How few teams even pull that off each year?
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this was a conference road loss to a team that the Gophers are only marginally better than on a neutral court.

this loss isn't that surprising. the only thing is the 2nd half meltdown once again.
 

MadtownGopher said:
This loss kills my interest in the season. It probably won't make much of a difference but I can't wait until every single Tubby player is off this team. Feels like as long as we have his mentally weak recruits, we are going to be prone to collapses like this.
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Between you and riverguy, I can't decide who has made me feel better about the loss.
You guys need to get a life.
I played sports - didn't you or have you just sat on a f-ing couch for 30 years?
 

Hey look, I did have the most respect for your program but I'm a huge Tubby Smith fan and I believe your program done him completely wrong by firing him without prior notice. He had alot of injuries with the team while he was there and the problems with White and Mbakwe, they didn't even get to see a minute of game time together. Tubby is way far a better coach than who you have there now and frankly I hope your basketball program falls back into what it was before Tubby got there. At least he got it back to be a respectable program and then you just fire him. One of the craziest fires ever. I can almost put money on it that he will have the Texas Tech program back to the tournament before Pitino has the Gophers back....anyone up for a bet?
 

I for one think we should start cheating again. 97 was worth it IMO. I don't think fans of teams like KY, NC ect. have any delusions about there program's.
 

bigperk35 said:
Hey look, I did have the most respect for your program but I'm a huge Tubby Smith fan and I believe your program done him completely wrong by firing him without prior notice. He had alot of injuries with the team while he was there and the problems with White and Mbakwe, they didn't even get to see a minute of game time together. Tubby is way far a better coach thank who you have there now and frankly I hope your basketball program falls back into what it was before Tubby got there. At least he got it back to be a respectable program and then you just fire him. One of the craziest fires ever. I can almost put money on it that he will have the Texas Tech program back to the tournament before Pitino has the Gophers back....anyone up for a bet?
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Yes; $100. What are the stakes? Love the Tubbster apologists who show up from time to time; what a dumpster fire!!
 

I mean come on....you would have to admit that it was pretty ****ty the way the treated a future hall of fame coach?
 

rivergopher said:
Well great he is brought him some big ten talent in the backcourt(nothing exceptional although I do see Masons talent and court presence as a future 1st team all big ten player). He has shown nothing in being able to get a big ten big, I am not ripping anyone, everyone can have their own opionions. I just said that "I" do not get the optisism because he has done nothing to show he can succeed at this level. I simply do not think his stlye will work(in the big ten) and see him outcoached both in person and on the television although not as much as I intially suspected would happen. Seasons have not happened yet, this one is here and now and I think with the realtively weakness of the big ten, you are going to need 10 confernece wins to get a strong enough RPI, just do not see that happening. 3 of the 5 starters are his, and 5 of the 9 that play are, good coaches adjust to their players when the talent is not there to play their style. I think the talent is here to be here to be a NCAA tournament team. As for Martin lets see where he ends up if those 8 games really did not matter if he ends up at Cal-Poly can you admit that it was a big miss on talent.(as I am sure those other schools will breathe a sigh of relief.) What Mcneil did to that woman was repugnant and his charcter showed through. You or I do not know his background or history but yeah if I recruit a guy I darn well better know if a guy is capable of that and it reflects on my judge of character.. This is not football where I do think you need 4 full recruiting cycles although like I said if in year 4 no NCAA tournament in my opionion it is time to move on.
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Your whole conclusions on the team is based on hypotheticals. We don't know if he can recruit beg guys or not, with Mo, Elliot & Joey on scholarship...how many mor bigs on scholarship should we have?

This style can't win in the B1G? How do you know? You admitted he doesn't have the right bigs for his style so how do you know it won't work.

Honestly, the guy has been here what, 18 months and your ready to send him packing? Yes he's young, yes he doesn't have a ton if experience, BUT, he has worked for and with some of the best in college basketball today and he's an admitted student of the game. Give him a chance. Next year, will actually be a pretty big evaluation year.

None of the bigs he has would have ever been recruited by him, but they were here. Show me a coach who totally adjusts his program to the players...doesn't happen.

Re-read your posts, honestly when I first started reading the you read like a jealous man...jealous of a guy a year older than, that apparently has a much better eye for talent than him because your a season ticket holder...

You have every right to you opinion, but because other disagree doesn't make you right...



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bigperk35 said:
Hey look, I did have the most respect for your program but I'm a huge Tubby Smith fan and I believe your program done him completely wrong by firing him without prior notice. He had alot of injuries with the team while he was there and the problems with White and Mbakwe, they didn't even get to see a minute of game time together. Tubby is way far a better coach thank who you have there now and frankly I hope your basketball program falls back into what it was before Tubby got there. At least he got it back to be a respectable program and then you just fire him. One of the craziest fires ever. I can almost put money on it that he will have the Texas Tech program back to the tournament before Pitino has the Gophers back....anyone up for a bet?
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How's your new job as video coordinator going?
 

This one feels a lot like the St.John's loss and is disappointing that we let it slip away. The reffing was absolutely horrible throughout the game and put our bigs in foul trouble with some horrible calls which was my biggest worry going into the game. How many times were we not able to finish on potential 3 point play chances? Seemed like at least 5 or so and those were plays guys seem to finish usually. Even when Purdue took the lead I thought we were going to answer right back but Mason's open 3 rimmed out and then I thought for sure Andre was gonna knock down the great look he had to tie it but that just rimmed out. Tough and disappointing loss but I'm not really down on this team much at all hopefully we can go into Maryland and pick up a signature road win.
 

GophersInIowa said:
So essentially you just hated the hire, not necessarily where we are as a program right now. That appears to be the case based on your responses. It also appears that you would be okay if we were in the exact same spot as a program if we hired a more established coach. So in the end you've already made up your mind where the program will be in a few years and that is why you are mad. You've just waited for a good time to blow up and let everyone know how much you hated the hire.

It's also obvious you are going to look at the negative side of everything. You've pointed out the question marks in the post in the future, yet refuse to comment about the guards and wings he has brought in (Mathieu, Mason and Morris, along with the good guard recruits coming in next year).

I imagine you're not the only one that is skeptical. A lot of people are. I'm cautiously optimistic. He could be great, and he could fail miserably. The difference is most people aren't dead set on their opinion of him. You've already claimed you know what the next few years will be like. It must suck to be that kind of a fan.
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This thread could wrap around the earth a couple of times and still not tie up a loose end. Agreed with the above quote. The loss is troubling to me because of the second half, and I wonder what we have in an unproven young coach who has a fine name. But it is early to judge Pitino harshly, Pitino is only playing his second year of recruits. He didn't have a proper recruiting timeline his first year. It is impossible to know how he improves players that he recruits. I am excited about next years recruits and want to see more player development unfold with Pitino recruits. I expect the next year recruiting to be at least as good as this last year.

I was disappointed in this loss and I blame first the seniors, not the coach. I do not expect this to happen with Pitino seniors, but we won't know for a while what plays out in that regard.

When the game got over I thought that I don't even care when the Gophers play next, but I will be glued to my chair late Saturday morning. I said I didn't care but I did glance at the schedule a few times this evening.
 

bigperk35 said:
Hey look, I did have the most respect for your program but I'm a huge Tubby Smith fan and I believe your program done him completely wrong by firing him without prior notice. He had alot of injuries with the team while he was there and the problems with White and Mbakwe, they didn't even get to see a minute of game time together. Tubby is way far a better coach thank who you have there now and frankly I hope your basketball program falls back into what it was before Tubby got there. At least he got it back to be a respectable program and then you just fire him. One of the craziest fires ever. I can almost put money on it that he will have the Texas Tech program back to the tournament before Pitino has the Gophers back....anyone up for a bet?
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Hahaha If you had watched how Tubby's demeanor and how his teams performed and often regressed throughout the season you would know the right move was made. Pitino is a young energeitic and motivated coach who makes the best out of every situation and I'm glad he is our head coach.
 

Goldy Gopher said:
Hahaha If you had watched how Tubby's demeanor and how his teams performed and often regressed throughout the season you would know the right move was made. Pitino is a young energeitic and motivated coach who makes the best out of every situation and I'm glad he is our head coach.
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Another good post.

Does anyone else feel like this thread is making them thirsty? I think that I will pretend it's like New Year's Eve or something, maybe pretend that I have Irish in because I do anyway. Maybe drink until I see some of my favourite dead relatives.
 

Being young and energetic is fine.....there is a 30+ year difference between Tubby and Richard but still doesn't justify the way he was fired. That is what I'm talking about. But I shouldn't expect anything different from some of you northern folks. Tubby brought your program back from the dumps and left a great foundation, so people like you are ungrateful. And his demeanor, are you serious? I noticed plenty of times where Tubby was fully engaged in games....I watch the sidelines and I guess you didn't see him after they upset Indiana.
 

bigperk35 said:
I mean come on....you would have to admit that it was pretty ****ty the way the treated a future hall of fame coach?
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I mean, come on, he would have to admit that his annual February plummet down (and eventually out of the rankings) as well as his repeated blown double digit leads was a ****ty way to treat a Big Ten fanbase. If Pitino makes a habit of it, he'll be gone too, but I think Pitino will fix these problems.
 

A few bottles of the bubbly (or your drink of choice) along with a road W at MD on Saturday (anythings possible) and all will be well. We'll be toasting Pitino then instead of roasting him on this thread.

Drink lots and cheers. Happy New Years!
 

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