New Sheriff In Town----Pitino Releases S&C Coach Steve Felde

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WhoFellDownTheGopherHole? said:
I like Mo, well enough. He flashed some ability early on and seems affable. Unfortunately, for this next season...i just don't think Mo is going to be in good enough shape (once again) to be able to contribute much. A guy who's been 300lbs and relatively inactive is not likely to work any miracles over one summer - he would have to really take his conditioning to heart and i just don't see that discipline in him, to this point.
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Mo is not a 300 lbs man in the same way most people are 300 lbs. He is out of shape but he isn't like trying to get the guy from Mike and Molly to be able to move a bit. Mo could get in good enough condition to play in spurts over 1 off season. You see it all of the time in college basketball with guys like Nix, Pittman (Texas a few years ago) and even Kevin Love in the NBA.

It's certainly possible to go from out of shape into good enough shape to contribute in college basketball.

Does he have the discipline? I don't know how anyone could make that guess. He is obviously not a health nut, but he didn't look grossly out of shape until this season (coming off a serious injury), so he could possibly have the discipline, a lot of guys figure it out later. Does he? Who knows?

In short, Mo cant go from his current shape into being an iron man or anything in one summer, but he certainly can get himself into decent enough shape to contribute in college basketball.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Mo is not a 300 lbs man in the same way most people are 300 lbs. He is out of shape but he isn't like trying to get the guy from Mike and Molly to be able to move a bit. Mo could get in good enough condition to play in spurts over 1 off season. You see it all of the time in college basketball with guys like Nix, Pittman (Texas a few years ago) and even Kevin Love in the NBA.

It's certainly possible to go from out of shape into good enough shape to contribute in college basketball.

Does he have the discipline? I don't know how anyone could make that guess. He is obviously not a health nut, but he didn't look grossly out of shape until this season (coming off a serious injury), so he could possibly have the discipline, a lot of guys figure it out later. Does he? Who knows?

In short, Mo cant go from his current shape into being an iron man or anything in one summer, but he certainly can get himself into decent enough shape to contribute in college basketball.
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Lawrence Westbrook lost a bunch of weight over an off season too. His was mostly losing muscle bulk, but he really slimmed down.
 

Maroon Shower said:
Tubby isn't to blame for the knee injury. He is to blame for forcing a clearly overmatched Mo into game action, however.
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Huge Mo played 120 minutes as a frosh and showed all kinds of potential. This year less than 150. Tubby had to get him out on the floor to determine if he could play at this level again.Those of us who actually played can tell you some players play better than they practice. He certainly owed that to a kid in his 3rd year of the program who rehabbed at minimum a career changing injury. I would guess Teague has given Pitino marching orders to free up this scholarship. But please continue piling on.
 



Holy Man said:
Let's have a repeat of Nix at Michigan State. He was a blob for two years and Izzo was mocked for giving him a scholarship and he went to work and became a good ball player. We need Mo to do that, because he is the only beef on the roster right now. That having been said, Mo may have been the biggest disappointment on this year's team to me. He showed promise as a freshman and rarely looked like he belonged this year. At his best, however, he may not have what it takes to function in an up and down game. Elliot is much more capable of that.
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Nix had a pair of hands, Mo has a pair of rocks for hands.
 

"I would guess Teague has given Pitino marching orders to free up this scholarship."

Now that assumption ought to start another 98 comments of arguing.
 

howieramone said:
Huge Mo played 120 minutes as a frosh and showed all kinds of potential. This year less than 150. Tubby had to get him out on the floor to determine if he could play at this level again.Those of us who actually played can tell you some players play better than they practice. He certainly owed that to a kid in his 3rd year of the program who rehabbed at minimum a career changing injury. I would guess Teague has given Pitino marching orders to free up this scholarship. But please continue piling on.
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We should have tried this out on Halvorson and Shell. Who knows, maybe they practiced like end of the bench guys but played like All Americans.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
We should have tried this out on Halvorson and Shell. Who knows, maybe they practiced like end of the bench guys but played like All Americans.
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I agree with you Tubby did a good job of developing certain players, but Huge Mo was the 9th rated center in his class.
 



howieramone said:
I agree with you Tubby did a good job of developing certain players, but Huge Mo was the 9th rated center in his class.
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He ain't rated 9th anymore. I think the over-under for (average) minutes for him next year is 10. I'll take the under.
 

howieramone said:
I agree with you Tubby did a good job of developing certain players, but Huge Mo was the 9th rated center in his class.
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I'm sick of talking Tubby but who exactly did he do a good job of developing?
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Mo is not a 300 lbs man in the same way most people are 300 lbs. He is out of shape but he isn't like trying to get the guy from Mike and Molly to be able to move a bit. Mo could get in good enough condition to play in spurts over 1 off season. You see it all of the time in college basketball with guys like Nix, Pittman (Texas a few years ago) and even Kevin Love in the NBA.

It's certainly possible to go from out of shape into good enough shape to contribute in college basketball.

Does he have the discipline? I don't know how anyone could make that guess. He is obviously not a health nut, but he didn't look grossly out of shape until this season (coming off a serious injury), so he could possibly have the discipline, a lot of guys figure it out later. Does he? Who knows?

In short, Mo cant go from his current shape into being an iron man or anything in one summer, but he certainly can get himself into decent enough shape to contribute in college basketball.
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At his weight and size it might be tough, could be done though, you would think it would be an objective he would pursue, if he doesn't he is done playing for the Gophers, at his current weight and the style Pitino plays I doubt he gets in a game, a good shooter around the basket, soft touch, great free throw shooter, lots to like about him.
 





I hope to see this change effect Elliot Eliason the most. If he gets stronger, he will be a bigger force on the boards. One thing Tubby did good was rebounding. Still, if the emotional big man can get faster and bigger, he will be better running. Think about how good he could be if he got more athletic? He's tall, I can't remember on the spot if he's 6'10, 6'11 or 7'0. I hope to see the biggest improvement belong to him.
 

I have zero sympathy for any 18-21 year who isn't in great shape to play college ball. Four TV timeouts per half; each coach gets five timeouts per game; the refs never let them play; fifteen minute halftimes. Not much to it. No coach should have to rely on more than seven players unless there are injuries or fouls.
 

jamiche said:
I have zero sympathy for any 18-21 year who isn't in great shape to play college ball. Four TV timeouts per half; each coach gets five timeouts per game; the refs never let them play; fifteen minute halftimes. Not much to it. No coach should have to rely on more than seven players unless there are injuries or fouls.
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Almost totally agree, jammer. Before I became a medical professional, I coached High School Basketball, and always had the philosophy of needing three guards, three forwards, two post men. But in this day and age of so many combo players, seven is probably correct.
 

jamiche said:
I have zero sympathy for any 18-21 year who isn't in great shape to play college ball. Four TV timeouts per half; each coach gets five timeouts per game; the refs never let them play; fifteen minute halftimes. Not much to it. No coach should have to rely on more than seven players unless there are injuries or fouls.
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+1 1,000%!
 

jamiche said:
I have zero sympathy for any 18-21 year who isn't in great shape to play college ball. Four TV timeouts per half; each coach gets five timeouts per game; the refs never let them play; fifteen minute halftimes. Not much to it. No coach should have to rely on more than seven players unless there are injuries or fouls.
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I don't think anyone has sympathy for Mo in this thread (could be mistaken), we'd just like to see if there is anyway of getting anything out of him.

However, I do agree with you about 7-8 guys playing. I might disagree a bit if you are genuinely pressing the entire time (not that they couldn't do it but because you want fresh players pressing).
 


Dick Pit says he likes to play 9-10 guys. I imagine he doesn't split them into lines, though, and pull the entire first line at the under 16.
 

To an extent I agree but I also know how much energy gets expended when playing high level competition and truly going all out. Even the best athletes get worn down eventually which is why even the coaches that emphasize being in shape often go 9-10 deep. However I remember the OSU team a few years back that only went 6-7 deep and was a top 5 team all year
 

oleboy41 said:
To an extent I agree but I also know how much energy gets expended when playing high level competition and truly going all out. Even the best athletes get worn down eventually which is why even the coaches that emphasize being in shape often go 9-10 deep. However I remember the OSU team a few years back that only went 6-7 deep and was a top 5 team all year
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Obviously, the training is interval focused, but seven in shape players is all you need, even on a team that presses. The players in the rotation should be snacking on Gu or some other kind of energy gel every 30-45 minutes.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I don't think anyone has sympathy for Mo in this thread (could be mistaken), we'd just like to see if there is anyway of getting anything out of him.

However, I do agree with you about 7-8 guys playing. I might disagree a bit if you are genuinely pressing the entire time (not that they couldn't do it but because you want fresh players pressing).
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My point is less about Mo and more about the drop off in quality when coaches go unnecessarily deep into their benches.
 

jamiche said:
My point is less about Mo and more about the drop off in quality when coaches go unnecessarily deep into their benches.
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You've obviously never coached basketball. Lots of reasons to go "unnecessarily deep" into your bench. Was Spike Albrecht "unnecessarily deep" for John Belein in the title game? I think your insistence on only seven guys is a bit peculiar too. If Coach Pitino wins the national title next year but plays ten guys, will you dog him about using guys "unnecessarily"? I get that, in an ideal world, a coach would have seven iron men that could play an entire game, but that is just not the reality of the situation.

As for Walker - I do not know him, so maybe he just isn't putting in the effort to get into/stay in shape. However, let's say his knee injury is as bad as has been suggested on this thread. Wouldn't that be some reason for sympathy? Realizing at the age of 20 that your body will never be able to do what you love as well as you had in the past is pretty depressing.
 

oleboy41 said:
To an extent I agree but I also know how much energy gets expended when playing high level competition and truly going all out. Even the best athletes get worn down eventually which is why even the coaches that emphasize being in shape often go 9-10 deep. However I remember the OSU team a few years back that only went 6-7 deep and was a top 5 team all year
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Hockey is the closest thing you can get to going all out and there you need players to change every 1:00-1:30 or they are too worn out to keep up. The main reason coaches limit the bench to a couple of players is the depth and trusting that a player will not screw it up. If a coach has 10 players that can contribute then he can afford to rest the starters more and keep them fresh.
 

alchemy2u said:
Hockey is the closest thing you can get to going all out and there you need players to change every 1:00-1:30 or they are too worn out to keep up. The main reason coaches limit the bench to a couple of players is the depth and trusting that a player will not screw it up. If a coach has 10 players that can contribute then he can afford to rest the starters more and keep them fresh.
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Being a former hockey player you are definitely right about it being an all out thing eveytime you get a shift. Coaches usually preach to keep the shifts from :40 seconds to 1:00 minute although they end up being a little longer on the powerplays and shorter on the penalty kills. I agree with you about coaches usually deciding how many bench guys they can play based on their level of trust in them and really the only way that changes is if you have to go deeper on the bench because of necessity.
 

I feel you need a seasoned group of 9 in order to survive foul trouble, but your core playing group should be about 7.

5 starters
7 core players
9 regular rotation
 



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