Mo Ouch! - Injury Watch Thread

[MplsGopher_fan]

As good as he is between the tackles, he doesn't have the breakaway speed necessary for the NFL.

Yeah, on that 4th down play for 56 yards, NFL scouts aren't going to be happy that he couldn't take it the distance. If a college safety can catch you, so can an NFL safety.

Nonetheless, I hope people show up to his appearance next Thursday and give him some cash.

 

[kg21]

Yeah, on that 4th down play for 56 yards, NFL scouts aren't going to be happy that he couldn't take it the distance. If a college safety can catch you, so can an NFL safety.

Nonetheless, I hope people show up to his appearance next Thursday and give him some cash.

The Viking backups behind Cook never seem to have break away speed.

I'd love to have seen him at least get a shot. I hope he gets the chance.

 

[howeda7]

I don’t think this is accurate. The drop from Ibrahim to Potts/Wiley is substantial. what would have been 4 yard runs will be 2 yard runs and that is a major impact for an offense that seems like it will need to rely on consistent drives as opposed to explosive plays.

Mo got his opportunity because Rodney Smith blew his knee out. At the time, we considered a big drop too. Time will tell.

 

[GopherGangsta]

The Viking backups behind Cook never seem to have break away speed.

I'd love to have seen him at least get a shot. I hope he gets the chance.

Alexander Mattison is faster than Mo

 

[howeda7]

Would there be questions/doubts about how well he'll return from the surgery and recovery?

Not rooting against him, at all.

Just saying, if next spring he's a late round, but coming back for a solid 2022 year here gets him up to 2nd/3rd round?

RB's basically don't get drafted in the 1st round anymore. The top ones go in the 2nd. I'm not sure Mo was going that high even healthy. Probably 3rd-6th round. If it's as bad as feared, I sort of doubt he gets drafted at all. It might be his best move to come back and prove his health.

 

[noamfromm]

RB's basically don't get drafted in the 1st round anymore. The top ones go in the 2nd. I'm not sure Mo was going that high even healthy. Probably 3rd-6th round. If it's as bad as feared, I sort of doubt he gets drafted at all. It might be his best move to come back and prove his health.

That is what makes this OSU true freshman running back so exciting. 247 assigns stars to players and uses the NFL draft as their metric for being correct. The fact that RB's don't go highly anymore and this kid is a 5 star leads me to believe he will be something special come January

 

[60's Guy]

Kfan - Charchian, said that an Achilles is a career ender for RBs. No NFL back has ever returned from that injury and been effective. He’d probably know with how dialed in he is on fantasy football.
Maybe it’s nothing, or maybe Mo can be the first but odds don’t look good for Mo.

 

[MplsGopher]

Well .... maybe it wasn't a full rupture. Boot or no, you'd think might be impossible to walk if the Achilles' was fully off the bone.

Or maybe it was a muscle tear and not the tendon.

 

[tmvander]

Well .... maybe it wasn't a full rupture. Boot or no, you'd think might be impossible to walk if the Achilles' was fully off the bone.

Or maybe it was a muscle tear and not the tendon.

Right...could have been a severe calf related injury which doesn't help us for this season but is better news for Mo and his career.

 

[cncmin]

Yeah, on that 4th down play for 56 yards, NFL scouts aren't going to be happy that he couldn't take it the distance. If a college safety can catch you, so can an NFL safety.

Nonetheless, I hope people show up to his appearance next Thursday and give him some cash.

Just to note, an OSU safety is basically an NFL safety.

 

[boofbonser]

Kfan - Charchian, said that an Achilles is a career ender for RBs. No NFL back has ever returned from that injury and been effective. He’d probably know with how dialed in he is on fantasy football.
Maybe it’s nothing, or maybe Mo can be the first but odds don’t look good for Mo.

The general consensus is that it’s tougher for linebackers and running backs to come back from, but it’s doable. The procedures have become more effective and you have seen guys like Demaryius Thomas and Terrell Suggs recovery successfully as well as Kobe and Kevin Durant in the NBA. Definitely doable, but a very hard injury to recover from. My money is on Mo though. By all accounts a hard worker and a tough SOB.

 

[60's Guy]

The general consensus is that it’s tougher for linebackers and running backs to come back from, but it’s doable. The procedures have become more effective and you have seen guys like Demaryius Thomas and Terrell Suggs recovery successfully as well as Kobe and Kevin Durant in the NBA. Definitely doable, but a very hard injury to recover from. My money is on Mo though. By all accounts a hard worker and a tough SOB.

Great examples of successes. Basketball, you'd think would require equal or greater explosiveness and flexibility to cut, stop and start. The only caveat might be the expertise care and rehab Kobe and Durant's money could buy.
But, I agree...Mo is an awesome candidate to beat the odds.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

Have we had any new official news?

I wouldn't necessarily expect it yet but wondering.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

Found this on a website run by the Natl Institutes for Health - from a British paper on achilles injuries:​

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Points to remember​

• Patients with rupture of the Achilles tendon can still walk.
• Patients with rupture of the Achilles tendon can still actively move the ankle up and down.
• Patients with an Achilles tendon rupture may even manage to stand on tiptoes (on both feet together — though not on the injured limb alone).
• Patients with an Achilles tendon rupture will not always have a palpable gap in the tendon.

 

[hungan1]

I'm admittedly the last guy to panic when my main guy goes down to injury, but this will give the staff and team to show that they're more than just a one-man team.

Guessing the PJ is hitting practice this week-end with plans to make a few minor adjustments to cater to the strength of Mo's back-ups. He's also undoubtedly going to tell those guys that this is their chance to step up a level "which I completely believe you can do, otherwise I wouldn't have brought you on board". I'm sure he's going to ask, and expect his offensive line, quarterback and receivers to step up to fill the void. I think we've all seen plenty of sports examples of unexpected guys making a splash when the team needed them to step up.

Defensively, it seemed like every OSU touchdown was a big breakaway play. Obviously, as advertised, they have a LOT of speed. A little demoralizing, but let's be honest, the Buckeyes are going to be doing that to teams all season long.

I honestly did not see the entire game, but other than those 6-7 huge plays, did the Minnesota defense look fairly solid? I mean, every team has 6-7 major breakdowns per game (even when they win), but often, you can limit the damage to 20 yards instead of 50-60 yard touchdowns. When OSU does it to us, it's disappointing, but not that surprising. If a bunch of other teams do that to us, then I'll be more panicked about our defense.

You can bet everyone in the B1G West is gearing up to stop the Gophers run game even more so that Mo's status is very questionable.

Smart money is on Sanford and Fleck making adjustments on the run blocking schemes to fit the RBs they have.

We are going to see more counterplays with TEs and WRs. I envision even RBs catching passes in a modified version of the Gophers' RPO. They will stretch the field as the wideouts and TM before more used to each other. They need to keep the Defense guessing.

We will be entertained.

 

[upnorthkid]

Found this on a website run by the Natl Institutes for Health - from a British paper on achilles injuries:​

​

Points to remember​

• Patients with rupture of the Achilles tendon can still walk.
• Patients with rupture of the Achilles tendon can still actively move the ankle up and down.
• Patients with an Achilles tendon rupture may even manage to stand on tiptoes (on both feet together — though not on the injured limb alone).
• Patients with an Achilles tendon rupture will not always have a palpable gap in the tendon.

Yep. Dorsiflexion needs no Achilles. You are only at risk of hyperdorsiflexion without your Achilles which isn’t a natural motion of walking. Look at Kobe or klay walking the court to shoot FTs after blowing an Achilles

 

[MplsGopher]

So ... if you have no mechanical connection between your heel and your calf muscles, how is it possible to apply force to the ground with the ball of your foot??

Unless you're peg-legging it on your heel ... isn't that required, to do anything?

 

[SixBySix]

So ... if you have no mechanical connection between your heel and your calf muscles, how is it possible to apply force to the ground with the ball of your foot??

Unless you're peg-legging it on your heel ... isn't that required, to do anything?

Said it earlier, but the flexor muscles of the toes can plantarflex the foot even with a completely ruptured Achilles. I've been rotating with a foot and ankle specialist orthopedic surgeon for the past two months, and we see four to five torn Achilles per day. You can absolutely walk on one, and for non athletes non surgical treatment often is just immobilization in a boot with wedges to keep the foot in plantarflexion.

 

[MplsGopher]

Said it earlier, but the flexor muscles of the toes can plantarflex the foot even with a completely ruptured Achilles. I've been rotating with a foot and ankle specialist orthopedic surgeon for the past two months, and we see four to five torn Achilles per day. You can absolutely walk on one, and for non athletes non surgical treatment often is just immobilization in a boot with wedges to keep the foot in plantarflexion.

A (major) tendon can just stitch itself together?

 

[SixBySix]

A (major) tendon can just stitch itself together?

Seemed weird to me too, but yeah--and at 1 year from injury, there is not much meaningful difference between surgical and non-surgical outcomes. The main advantages to surgery are faster return to exercise (and thus less muscle loss for competitive athletes), and slightly reduced risk of re-rupture in the first year. The biggest risk is letting the scar form too much new tissue, and effectively having a tendon that is too long, which is why the foot needs to be immobilized in plantarflexion.

 

[MplsGopher]

Crazy!

We know, for example, that scar skin tissue is vastly inferior to normal skin tissue. Doesn't have sweat glands, hair follicles, odd appearance, etc. But that of course is an emergency to close up a physical opening to the body.

So the repair process for a tendon must be much closer to making new, normal tissue? Anyway, probably still a lot we don't know exactly.

Thanks for the info!

 

[GoodasGold]

Alexander Mattison is faster than Mo

I’m faster than Mo. I mean right now I’m faster than Mo.

 

[SixBySix]

Crazy!

We know, for example, that scar skin tissue is vastly inferior to normal skin tissue. Doesn't have sweat glands, hair folicules, odd appearance, etc. But that of course is an emergency to close up a physical opening to the body.

So the repair process for a tendon must be much closer to making new, normal tissue? Anyway, probably still a lot we don't know exactly.

Thanks for the info!

Well, tendon is one of the least complex types of tissue in the body. It really just needs tensile strength--doesn't have things like glands or follicles to begin with! So I would say that "there is less function needed in forming a tendon scar, so there is less of a deficit compared to normal tissue", more so than, "tendon has a better healing process than other tissues," if that makes any sense.

 

[btowngopher]

Mo got his opportunity because Rodney Smith blew his knee out. At the time, we considered a big drop too. Time will tell.

I never considered Mo a big drop. I thought he was the best back when Rodney got most of the work after his return as well.

 

[Gophergrandpa]

I will really, really miss Mo. But he was on a brutal pace for 40 carries in this game (plus pass blocking). He was probably going to be overused again this year, meaning that the risk of a serious injury and/or burnout would hang over every game. If not this game, it was only a matter of time. Mo’s absence will probably cause us a couple of additional losses, but now we will have to develop a committee of RBs, and will use tight ends as well as WR to diversify, because we don’t have that single stud to just go to most of the time. That required change of pace is a glimmer of light in the darkness of Mo’s injury. We will, if we are sane, now move to a more diversified, less predictable offense. We can move away from disproportionate (thus predictable) running plays to something that might make defenses think on every down. Iowa’s ballhawking defense is better than Ohio State’s; less predictably on offense might actually help us there. I’d rather have Mo, but I don’t think our offense is going to suddenly become useless. Now, our defense …

 

[kg21]

I will really, really miss Mo. But he was on a brutal pace for 40 carries in this game (plus pass blocking). He was probably going to be overused again this year, meaning that the risk of a serious injury and/or burnout would hang over every game. If not this game, it was only a matter of time. Mo’s absence will probably cause us a couple of additional losses, but now we will have to develop a committee of RBs, and will use tight ends as well as WR to diversify, because we don’t have that single stud to just go to most of the time. That required change of pace is a glimmer of light in the darkness of Mo’s injury. We will, if we are sane, now move to a more diversified, less predictable offense. We can move away from disproportionate (thus predictable) running plays to something that might make defenses think on every down. Iowa’s ballhawking defense is better than Ohio State’s; less predictably on offense might actually help us there. I’d rather have Mo, but I don’t think our offense is going to suddenly going to become useless. Now, our defense …

Speaking of Iowa.......I think they have now held their last 25 opponents to 25 or less points.

Losing Mo still seems like it's not real.

 

[MNVCGUY]

I will really, really miss Mo. But he was on a brutal pace for 40 carries in this game (plus pass blocking). He was probably going to be overused again this year, meaning that the risk of a serious injury and/or burnout would hang over every game. If not this game, it was only a matter of time. Mo’s absence will probably cause us a couple of additional losses, but now we will have to develop a committee of RBs, and will use tight ends as well as WR to diversify, because we don’t have that single stud to just go to most of the time. That required change of pace is a glimmer of light in the darkness of Mo’s injury. We will, if we are sane, now move to a more diversified, less predictable offense. We can move away from disproportionate (thus predictable) running plays to something that might make defenses think on every down. Iowa’s ballhawking defense is better than Ohio State’s; less predictably on offense might actually help us there. I’d rather have Mo, but I don’t think our offense is going to suddenly become useless. Now, our defense …

Did I miss an official announcement of some kind? Don’t see one in this thread.

Losing Mo doesn’t guarantee loses. There could be another star waiting in the wings ready to make an impact. We have multiple guys on the roster that we’re rated significantly higher than Mo coming out of high school.

obviously hoping for best and that Mo‘s injury isn’t long term but too early to give up on the other guys. Need to see them in action first.

 

[FullBanana]

I’m faster than Mo. I mean right now I’m faster than Mo.

You really shouldn’t be posting while driving

 

[FullBanana]

Did I miss an official announcement of some kind? Don’t see one in this thread.

Losing Mo doesn’t guarantee loses. There could be another star waiting in the wings ready to make an impact. We have multiple guys on the roster that we’re rated significantly higher than Mo coming out of high school.

obviously hoping for best and that Mo‘s injury isn’t long term but too early to give up on the other guys. Need to see them in action first.

Hope you’re right. Hard to imagine that Mo going down doesn’t mean a few less wins this year.

 

[MplsGopher]

I will really, really miss Mo. But he was on a brutal pace for 40 carries in this game (plus pass blocking). He was probably going to be overused again this year, meaning that the risk of a serious injury and/or burnout would hang over every game. If not this game, it was only a matter of time. Mo’s absence will probably cause us a couple of additional losses, but now we will have to develop a committee of RBs, and will use tight ends as well as WR to diversify, because we don’t have that single stud to just go to most of the time. That required change of pace is a glimmer of light in the darkness of Mo’s injury. We will, if we are sane, now move to a more diversified, less predictable offense. We can move away from disproportionate (thus predictable) running plays to something that might make defenses think on every down. Iowa’s ballhawking defense is better than Ohio State’s; less predictably on offense might actually help us there. I’d rather have Mo, but I don’t think our offense is going to suddenly become useless. Now, our defense …

Bolded: disagree.

Because of how strong our OL is. If it was Mo himself doing most of the work to make people miss/run through tackles, that would be one thing.

Again ... I think we can still get everything done the same on offense, it's just going to take some extra plays. Instead of Mo breaking some bigger runs here and there, it will be Potts & Co. getting all those same yards, but just needed 2-4 extra plays to do it.

Our OL can open the holes for almost anyone.