Mississippi State RB Kylin Hill: "Either change the flag or I won’t be representing this State anymore & I meant that .. I’m tired "

[mjfelton15]

And every black southern family lost even more while in slavery. I don't want to get too far off track, but it is very easy to learn about why those monuments were erected.

How many slaves died during this countries years of slavery vs. the total number of Americans that died in the civil war?

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

I hear they are going to put a huge number "50" in bold black type on a field of red.

Simple, memorable, and pays homage to their typical placement in a list of states ranked by health, economic, or educational measures.

Arkansas can claim a victory!

 

[alchemy2u]

How many slaves died during this countries years of slavery vs. the total number of Americans that died in the civil war?

Really, you are going to argue this?

Just do some real research on civil war history and the lost cause. No other country would allow monuments to traitors to be erected, or stand on their soil.

 

[MinneStoa]

How many slaves died during this countries years of slavery vs. the total number of Americans that died in the civil war?

Being generous about what constitutes being killed during the Civil War gives ~1.7M deaths. Though the classic phrase is "618,222 men"

American Civil War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Meanwhile, "The number of enslaved and free blacks rose from 759,000 (60,000 free) in the 1790 US Census to 4,450,000 (11% free or 480,000) a 580% increase in the 1860 US Census."

Slavery in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I have no way of knowing how many children the average slave had during their lifetime. But even under the most conservative estimates, the number of slaves that died during the hundreds of years of slavery in this country far outweighs the number of deaths from the Civil War.

 

[GopherGuy8]

To me this is a way of peacefully protesting. The same people who are saying what he’s doing is wrong are probably the same people who called for rioting to stop and for people to peacefully protest. And they are the same people who just wish everything would go back to normal.

I would hope that everyone was asking for the rioting to stop.

 

[mjfelton15]

Really, you are going to argue this?

Just do some real research on civil war history and the lost cause. No other country would allow monuments to traitors to be erected, or stand on their soil.

I’m trying to say way more people that fought in the civil war died than slaves.

 

[mjfelton15]

Being generous about what constitutes being killed during the Civil War gives ~1.7M deaths. Though the classic phrase is "618,222 men"

American Civil War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Meanwhile, "The number of enslaved and free blacks rose from 759,000 (60,000 free) in the 1790 US Census to 4,450,000 (11% free or 480,000) a 580% increase in the 1860 US Census."

Slavery in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I have no way of knowing how many children the average slave had during their lifetime. But even under the most conservative estimates, the number of slaves that died during the hundreds of years of slavery in this country far outweighs the number of deaths from the Civil War.

What did more than 1.7 million slaves die of? Do you know? Was it murder by the less than 2.5% of Americans that owned slaves, or are you including natural causes?

 

[MinneStoa]

What did more than 1.7 million slaves die of? Do you know? Was it murder by the less than 2.5% of Americans that owned slaves, or are you including natural causes?

Wow, I genuinely have no idea what’s driving this, but sure, let’s play it out.

The sources I can find list an infant mortality rate for enslaved infants upwards of 30%.

Birth weights and infant mortality among American slaves

The health and mortality of slaves has been widely debated, especially since the publication of Time on the Cross. This paper argues that the living s…

www.sciencedirect.com

That was one major factor as to why life expectancy for enslaved people was approximately half of what it was for whites.

Digital History

www.digitalhistory.uh.edu

This is not to mention anything about the thousands upon thousands who died as a direct result of slave rebellions.

Listen, if you want to pat yourself on the back for pointing out that more people were killed by gunshot wounds in the Civil War than during the hundreds of years of US slavery, that’s your choice. But doing so ignores the horrifying treatment and miserable living conditions that lead to millions upon millions of premature deaths. Deaths that only came after a literal lifetime of abuse.

Seriously, I’d strongly suggest picking a different hill to die on.

 

[USAF]

I’m trying to say way more people that fought in the civil war died than slaves.

Why the **** would any human try to say this??

 

[Spoofin]

I mean, his moniker dude. I can tell you Spoofin does all of those things, just in moderation.

Hmmm. I see MPLS is still talking about me. He needs a new hobby. He likes to tell people I don’t give my opinion on here - I’d love to know what I hold back on. LOL.

 

[mjfelton15]

Wow, I genuinely have no idea what’s driving this, but sure, let’s play it out.

The sources I can find list an infant mortality rate for enslaved infants upwards of 30%.

Birth weights and infant mortality among American slaves

The health and mortality of slaves has been widely debated, especially since the publication of Time on the Cross. This paper argues that the living s…

www.sciencedirect.com

That was one major factor as to why life expectancy for enslaved people was approximately half of what it was for whites.

Digital History

www.digitalhistory.uh.edu

This is not to mention anything about the thousands upon thousands who died as a direct result of slave rebellions.

Listen, if you want to pat yourself on the back for pointing out that more people were killed by gunshot wounds in the Civil War than during the hundreds of years of US slavery, that’s your choice. But doing so ignores the horrifying treatment and miserable living conditions that lead to millions upon millions of premature deaths. Deaths that only came after a literal lifetime of abuse.

Seriously, I’d strongly suggest picking a different hill to die on.

Acknowledging stats doesn’t mean anyone needs to ignore anything. I’m not ignoring anything, I was simply pointing something out. Sorry I forgot to show my wokeness

 

[mjfelton15]

Why the **** would any human try to say this??

Why not?

 

[#2Gopher]

I would hope that everyone was asking for the rioting to stop.

When you see a riot next time. Look at the deep root of the problem as to the treatment of black people. If you're only going to see a fraction of it and understand it, you're clearly not getting it. These issues are going on every day and have been for years back to when our country was founded. We live in a extremely racist society.

 

[mjfelton15]

When you see a riot next time. Look at the deep root of the problem as to the treatment of black people. If you're only going to see a fraction of it and understand it, you're clearly not getting it. These issues are going on every day and have been for years back to when our country was founded. We live in a extremely racist society.

I think a lot of the issues would go away if thug culture came to a halt

 

[Gold Rush]

While we are bringing up the Civil War on here, every Minnesotan should know -and be proud of- what the 1st Minnesota Regiment did at Gettysburg. They played a critical role in the Union winning arguably the most important battle of the Civil War. On July 2nd, General Longstreet of the South advanced to penetrate the center of the Union Line, but the 1st Minnesota made a sacrificial charge against overwhelming odds and halted the Confederate advance. This ended up buying time for the Union line to reform and also forced Lee's hand into making the ill-fated Pickett's charge the next day. There are three monuments dedicated to those brave Minnesotans at Gettysburg.

 

[MinneStoa]

Acknowledging stats doesn’t mean anyone needs to ignore anything. I’m not ignoring anything, I was simply pointing something out. Sorry I forgot to show my wokeness

This isn't about "wokeness" or whatever other strawman you want to come up with. This is about ignorance, plain and simple.

You asked "How many slaves died during this countries years of slavery vs. the total number of Americans that died in the civil war?"

It is an objective fact that there were far more premature deaths as a direct result of American slavery than there were premature deaths as a direct result of the Civil War. Plain and simple, you're completely wrong, and seem unwilling to admit it--deciding to dig your heels in instead. You're not "acknowledging stats", you're making things up and using that fiction to make an incredibly vague (yet clearly stupid) point.

 

[#2Gopher]

I think a lot of the issues would go away if thug culture came to a halt

We need to start with all the white supremacists and getting the police to stop filing false reports. These two alone would help for starters. These two issues are bigger than what people realize.

 

[MinneStoa]

I think a lot of the issues would go away if thug culture came to a halt

You're talking about the thug culture in police forces that leads to widespread excessive use of force, right?

 

[MplsGopher]

Why the **** would any human try to say this??

Take pleasure in agitating and frustrating others, while contributing nothing yourself, and leaving the discussion/group in a worse place than you found it.

felton, spoof, etc. They're takers. They take from others and use for themselves, while not providing or giving anything. They leave things in worse shape than they found it.

 

[GophersInIowa]

While we are bringing up the Civil War on here, every Minnesotan should know -and be proud of- what the 1st Minnesota Regiment did at Gettysburg. They played a critical role in the Union winning arguably the most important battle of the Civil War. On July 2nd, General Longstreet of the South advanced to penetrate the center of the Union Line, but the 1st Minnesota made a sacrificial charge against overwhelming odds and halted the Confederate advance. This ended up buying time for the Union line to reform and also forced Lee's hand into making the ill-fated Pickett's charge the next day. There are three monuments dedicated to those brave Minnesotans at Gettysburg.

It's a cool story. The next day is when the 1st MN captured the Virginia flag that many Virginians have tried to get back over the years.

First Minnesota Volunteer Infantry Regiment monuments

Monuments to the First Minnesota Infantry Regiment at Gettysburg, with photographs, monument text and map locations on the battlefield.

gettysburg.stonesentinels.com

 

[Gold Rush]

It's a cool story. The next day is when the 1st MN captured the Virginia flag that many Virginians have tried to get back over the years.

First Minnesota Volunteer Infantry Regiment monuments

Monuments to the First Minnesota Infantry Regiment at Gettysburg, with photographs, monument text and map locations on the battlefield.

gettysburg.stonesentinels.com

You are correct!!!
I really wish they would teach that history in our schools. Those were a couple of Minnesota's greatest days!!

 

[GopherGuy8]

We need to start with all the white supremacists and getting the police to stop filing false reports. These two alone would help for starters. These two issues are bigger than what people realize.

I'll start this off by saying that white supremacists should rot in hell. But what he is alluding to is correct. Gang violence needs to stop and takes many more lives than white supremacists and the police.

 

[builtbadgers]

As a black man i know plenty of black racists. Racism is alive and well. My Jewish friends have put up with horrible anti semitism . Blacks suffer in ways that some people never experience but they have also created new problems. My parents raised us to quit blaming others before understanding all of human slavery. Where it started, how sold slaves, how did they get here, who bought them and enslaved them, who died in the fight to free slaves. This goes so far back in human history. That part of American history is a disgrace but burning things down, tearing things down, shooting, beating people up does not solve anything. Critical listening, critical thinking, compassionate care are required from all people. How we conducted ourselves had more to do with my family making friends for life with people from very different places. There will always be bad people in every race . If someone is cruel, violent, thoughtless,vengeful irresponsible they will be a problem. A ton of it is fear, the unknown scares people. Once you get to know someone you find out they laugh the same way, they cry, they bleed, they suffer.

 

[alchemy2u]

I’m trying to say way more people that fought in the civil war died than slaves.

If you will look back at my original reply. It said

“And every black southern family lost even more while in slavery. I don't want to get too far off track, but it is very easy to learn about why those monuments were erected.”

The loses in their freedom, families, respect, etc. far out weighs any losses by the white families in the south. You are the one trying to argue some death tally.

And if you would actually research it, like I have suggested on multiple occasions, it is very easy to see that the statues and monuments were never about remembering a noble cause. Throughout history, traitors are typically dealt with very severely, not allowed to return home. After the north tired of paying for reconstruction, the southern white gentry again gained control and began rewriting the history of the civil war. This is when many monuments were built glorifying the southern cause and to intimidate newly freed blacks.

 

[builtbadgers]

If you will look back at my original reply. It said

“And every black southern family lost even more while in slavery. I don't want to get too far off track, but it is very easy to learn about why those monuments were erected.”

The loses in their freedom, families, respect, etc. far out weighs any losses by the white families in the south. You are the one trying to argue some death tally.

And if you would actually research it, like I have suggested on multiple occasions, it is very easy to see that the statues and monuments were never about remembering a noble cause. Throughout history, traitors are typically dealt with very severely, not allowed to return home. After the north tired of paying for reconstruction, the southern white gentry again gained control and began rewriting the history of the civil war. This is when many monuments were built glorifying the southern cause and to intimidate newly freed blacks.

Awesome post. Sure your aware that most people do not research the things they speak of. If people would look at all sides they would not only see what your saying but they could find out about the hundreds of thousands of people and families who were devastated for generations by sacrificing their lives to free slaves ! The good news is there are people and places that grow and change. Some of the more diverse colleges and cities in our country are in the south.

 

[mjfelton15]

You're talking about the thug culture in police forces that leads to widespread excessive use of force, right?

There are far fewer thuggish cops than there are thugs in the hoods. So no I wasn’t talking about what you’re talking about

 

[mjfelton15]

We need to start with all the white supremacists and getting the police to stop filing false reports. These two alone would help for starters. These two issues are bigger than what people realize.

How many white supremacists exist in America today that actually act on their ideology? And I thought the body cams on officers are to prevent the filing of false police reports? How many reports are false per year? Guessing you think the Atlanta situation was a false police report.
I’ll stick to saying that ending thug culture would be a huge start to fixing things.

 

[BarnBurner]

I think a lot of the issues would go away if thug culture came to a halt

And make no mistake, thug culture is idolized and loved.

 

[Spaulding!No!]

It's a cool story. The next day is when the 1st MN captured the Virginia flag that many Virginians have tried to get back over the years.

First Minnesota Volunteer Infantry Regiment monuments

Monuments to the First Minnesota Infantry Regiment at Gettysburg, with photographs, monument text and map locations on the battlefield.

gettysburg.stonesentinels.com

They want it back?

 

[#2Gopher]

How many white supremacists exist in America today that actually act on their ideology? And I thought the body cams on officers are to prevent the filing of false police reports? How many reports are false per year? Guessing you think the Atlanta situation was a false police report.
I’ll stick to saying that ending thug culture would be a huge start to fixing things.

There are over 1200 known white supremacists groups in the United States. Body cams would help but only if these idiots would turn them on. Thankfully cell phone cameras have been able to bring up the truth. Pictures don't lie. However here in MN the head of the police union says, there is another side to these pictures. Give me a break.