Missed Opportunties-NDSU v. U of M

[STPGopher]

Norwegian....don't take me to seriously. I know I don't.

No players on this team are garbage. I'm sorry.

Here's the deal, recruitment by definition is a crap shoot be it out of state players or in state players. Yet some people and coaches in the past act like if they go out of state they automatically come back with better players. I don’t agree. I think when they go out of state they are bottom feeding at the expense of better players back home. All they know about Minnesota is Eden Prairie, Wayzata, Cretin Derham and maybe one or three other schools. Most of the time in the past, gopher coaches usually found out about in state kids after a out of state school had already been recruiting him.

If a coach is using the star system to justify who he recruits, he should be fired immediately. Coaches will say anything that they believe will buy them more time to get a winner....and more of those pay checks. Disregard about 98 percent of anything they say.

Raw speed? Again another fallacy. Yes it's true the south has more speed than the north. So what, the gophers aren't getting those players.

Do this; pick a state. Then figure out how many D1 programs are between Mn and that state. Once you do that ask yourself this very important question. Why in the hell would that kid want to bypass all those schools to come play for a team that last had it's glory days before their parents were born? There usually is only answer......because it's their only option.

Again no disrespect I was only having a little fun with you by being a jerk.

Everyone else....see what you have to do when everybody knows who you are! Are you happy now Mrs. Royston.....damn you never let me have any fun! And tell your co-workers it's against the man code to rat another man out. What happens in gopherhole should stay in gopherhole!

While I do agree with S.O.N. you apologized so I think it's time to move on.

I agree with the paragraph in bold type. Though many disagree with me, there is much untapped talent in the metro area and outstate Minnesota as well. The why(s) and how(s) should probably be another thread. The hope is there will be interest in finding creative ways to restore Pre Highschool metro football. How can the biggest city in the state not have pee wee football?

There I go again. I should just start that thread...

 

[Sportsfan24]

So, why were you mad about Kill yelling at poor old AJ then?

Unless you're being sarcastic....

I never chose sides in the AJ situation (therefore I was not upset with Kill) I just said folks didn't have enough information to decide either way.

 

[disco]

The Badgers tried hiring a national champion coach from NDSU. It didn't work out so well.

Where did Jim Wacker have some of his first success?

 

[MNfootballfan]

You had me all the way down to this. Decker is what he was. The only difference is he was allowed to showcase himself on the big stage. It's one thing to miss on out of state kids. But to miss on the regular with in state kids is unacceptable. At the sake of getting back in the dog house (actually staying in longer than I'm already gonna be in it for comments made early), the miss ratio is much higher with out of state kids...yet they (previous staffs) kept spending money doing it.

You can't say "wow we really didn't expect Decker/Barber/ect to be the player they were while at the same time other Mn kids they didn't recruit are playing on better teams (yes, NDSU is a better team). Even when they got it right, they didn't really get it right because they didn't expect it.

I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. In terms of the ever-so popular star system, Decker over-achieved. Most don't expect a 2-star WR to turn into one of the greatest WR in school history. On the flip side, we had a 4 star WR play during the same time as Decker and contribute little on the field.

I might be in the minority, but I enjoy your posts on here sportsfan24.

 

[Sportsfan24]

I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. In terms of the ever-so popular star system, Decker over-achieved. Most don't expect a 2-star WR to turn into one of the greatest WR in school history. On the flip side, we had a 4 star WR play during the same time as Decker and contribute little on the field.

I might be in the minority, but I enjoy your posts on here sportsfan24.

Thanks for the clarification and kind words. I agree that Decker was a surprise to everyone involved including himself......until he arrived on campus.

 

[EliteHSscout]

You have to take a few things into consideration when it comes to recruiting. If the Gophers have 3 underclassmen RB's on scholarship, they probably aren't going to add a 4th when they probably have other positions that need attention. On average, each D-I school will will only have 12-15 scholarships available, so they don't have the luxury of offering kids that aren't going to help them fill areas of need. The other thing you want to keep in mind is that if a kid has 1 lower level D-I offer and 5 D-IAA offers, he probably is more of a D-IAA or possibly D-II player and there is good reason other D-I schools aren't offering either. Coaches can't "swing and miss" very often and don't want to take chances on kids........ their job depends on it.
My last point is this. NDSU should erect a statue to Brewster for the number of recruits across Minnesota and the upper mid west that he neglected. If it wasn't for him, they wouldn't have either of those championships without the 6-8 kids that he neglected to make offers to. Since Kill has gotten to Minnesota, he hasn't let very many solid D-I recruits slip by and over the next few years you will see the talent level ad NDSU fade quickly.
Obviously Kill doesn't "swing and miss" very often since a large number of NIU Huskies he recruited found themselves playing in the Orange Bowl and finished the season ranked in the top 25.

 

[Sportsfan24]

You have to take a few things into consideration when it comes to recruiting. If the Gophers have 3 underclassmen RB's on scholarship, they probably aren't going to add a 4th when they probably have other positions that need attention. On average, each D-I school will will only have 12-15 scholarships available, so they don't have the luxury of offering kids that aren't going to help them fill areas of need. The other thing you want to keep in mind is that if a kid has 1 lower level D-I offer and 5 D-IAA offers, he probably is more of a D-IAA or possibly D-II player and there is good reason other D-I schools aren't offering either. Coaches can't "swing and miss" very often and don't want to take chances on kids........ their job depends on it.
My last point is this. NDSU should erect a statue to Brewster for the number of recruits across Minnesota and the upper mid west that he neglected. If it wasn't for him, they wouldn't have either of those championships without the 6-8 kids that he neglected to make offers to. Since Kill has gotten to Minnesota, he hasn't let very many solid D-I recruits slip by and over the next few years you will see the talent level ad NDSU fade quickly.
Obviously Kill doesn't "swing and miss" very often since a large number of NIU Huskies he recruited found themselves playing in the Orange Bowl and finished the season ranked in the top 25.

Great points.

Brewster wasn't the first and he certainly wasn't the only gopher coach to miss out on Mn kids. However I do agree that Kill will do a better job than any gopher coach in previous history in recruiting Mn kids.

I should add that prior to unvoluntarily deciding to take his talents elsewhere he was in the mist of putting together a coalition of local coaches and folks in the know to establish a plan on addressing this issue.

 

[MNfootballfan]

I will add that Brewster may have been a train wreck as a head coach, but I still think he did a pretty good job with the state of Minnesota. The borders were wide open and he closed it. He didn't get Floyd or Henderson, but they were destined to go to bigger programs regardless of who our head coach was.

 

[Ole]

You have to take a few things into consideration when it comes to recruiting. If the Gophers have 3 underclassmen RB's on scholarship, they probably aren't going to add a 4th when they probably have other positions that need attention. On average, each D-I school will will only have 12-15 scholarships available, so they don't have the luxury of offering kids that aren't going to help them fill areas of need. The other thing you want to keep in mind is that if a kid has 1 lower level D-I offer and 5 D-IAA offers, he probably is more of a D-IAA or possibly D-II player and there is good reason other D-I schools aren't offering either. Coaches can't "swing and miss" very often and don't want to take chances on kids........ their job depends on it.
My last point is this. NDSU should erect a statue to Brewster for the number of recruits across Minnesota and the upper mid west that he neglected. If it wasn't for him, they wouldn't have either of those championships without the 6-8 kids that he neglected to make offers to. Since Kill has gotten to Minnesota, he hasn't let very many solid D-I recruits slip by and over the next few years you will see the talent level ad NDSU fade quickly.
Obviously Kill doesn't "swing and miss" very often since a large number of NIU Huskies he recruited found themselves playing in the Orange Bowl and finished the season ranked in the top 25.

Great points.
Although I still maintain that most of these kids were walk-on or greyshirt level recruits, they obviously over achieved at NDSU.
In the future our AD needs to really look at the missteps of former AD's in scheduling these regional D2 schools.
The recent success of these schools is directly built at the detriment of our walk on program and gives these schools enormous leverage in swaying potential PWO or grayshirt candidates away from us because they can point out that the local recruit will have a chance to come home and play in front of a BIG stadium regardless.

Not one of these kids would have turned down a full scholarship from the U, and most probably were offered a chance to play here.
Money talks in alot of cases, but having the hometown team on these programs' schedules has likely given kids an extra reason to leave. Play New Hampshire all you want, but stop playing NDSU, SD, SDSU, and you'll see our program retain more local talent in the walk on program, and their programs struggle to bring kids from the TC out to the fringe of civilization without a chance to play back home.
JMO

 

[dpodoll68]

If the Gophers have 3 underclassmen RB's on scholarship, they probably aren't going to add a 4th when they probably have other positions that need attention.

Interesting, given that they have 4 underclassmen RBs on scholarship, have a commitment from Berkley Edwards, and are still talking to/taking visits from other RB prospects.

NDSU should erect a statue to Brewster for the number of recruits across Minnesota and the upper mid west that he neglected.

Brewster and every other Division I-A head coach in the country. That would be a lot of statues.

If it wasn't for him, they wouldn't have either of those championships without the 6-8 kids that he neglected to make offers to.

Him and every other Division I-A head coach in the country.

 

[EliteHSscout]

Great points.

Brewster wasn't the first and he certainly wasn't the only gopher coach to miss out on Mn kids. However I do agree that Kill will do a better job than any gopher coach in previous history in recruiting Mn kids.

I should add that prior to unvoluntarily deciding to take his talents elsewhere he was in the mist of putting together a coalition of local coaches and folks in the know to establish a plan on addressing this issue.

He was? Good thing he decided to introduce himself to area coaches after 3 years. I remember attending a Gopher practice and watching controlled chaoes. Calling Brewster a "train wreck" would be a serious understatement.
For the 1st time in my life, I actually feel like the Gopher football program is on the right track and that Kill will at some point lead us to a Rosebowl. I know some will call me a "homer" for that statement, but he just seems to "get it".

 

[EliteHSscout]

I was using the "RB's" as a example of why you wouldn't be offering a position you a loaded at. Also, not every RB is being recruited to play RB. As I am sure you know, many kids get moved to different positions during their career.

 

[dpodoll68]

I was using the "RB's" as a example of why you wouldn't be offering a position you a loaded at. Also, not every RB is being recruited to play RB. As I am sure you know, many kids get moved to different positions during their career.

It's a poor example. The Gophers are "loaded" at RB, and have a commitment from Berkley Edwards. Do you doubt that Edwards is being recruited to play RB? Where are they going to play him? Defensive end?

 

[MNfootballfan]

He was? Good thing he decided to introduce himself to area coaches after 3 years. I remember attending a Gopher practice and watching controlled chaoes. Calling Brewster a "train wreck" would be a serious understatement.
For the 1st time in my life, I actually feel like the Gopher football program is on the right track and that Kill will at some point lead us to a Rosebowl. I know some will call me a "homer" for that statement, but he just seems to "get it".

Brewster's staff was in every high school in Minnesota the spring he was hired.

 

[lakesgopher]

I haven't heard any complaints about Brewster inside the high schools, I remember hearing a lot of stories of how refreshing it was to have the U back in contact with the states high schools because mason completely turned his back on them. Brew didn't work out but no one should hate him for being given a job he wasn't qualified for. He worked endlessly promoting the U and getting people very excited about gopher athletics. Kill and company are better coaches but brew was much better at making Minnesota "cool" imo

 

[EliteHSscout]

I personally know many HS coaches around the metro that commented that Brewster nor his staff ever contacted them. In fact, I remember one coach telling me that one of his players that was receiving attention from Iowa, Wisconsin and some D-IAA schools, didn't even receive a letter from Brewster/Minnesota. Don't get me wrong, I am not hating on the guy, he just wasn't qualified for the job. That same coach commented that Mason and Shaw would stay in contact each year, even when he didn't have a player the Gophers were interested in. The good news is that Kill has done a very good job thus far and if he continues to do what he has at other schools, the Gophs will be in good shape.

 

[Indi1006]

I don't want to turn this into a war of words with Mr. Royston. If he wants to call Gopher FB players "Garbage" and call me a "Creep," that speaks for itself. I am not going to identify myself, but I can tell you that I am a member of the media, with 25+ years experience working for radio stations and newspapers in the Midwest, covering HS sports, D-3 sports, motor sports and covering an NFL training camp. I just believe in being positive whenever possible. If a player is having a bad game, I will say "he's struggling out there," instead of being Pat Reusse and saying "he stinks."

As to the subject of recruiting, I have covered a lot of FB players from smaller schools who were very good at their level - some even setting state records - but very few make it to the D-1 level. Finding a "diamond in the rough" who can play and contribute at D-1 is very difficult. Coaches are going to hit and miss. Under the current system, recruiting an out-of-state player with a star rating is "safer" than recruiting the local hero or a low-rated kid from a metro school. Like it or not, the star rating gives a coach some cover. A coach will have to be very confident in their standing to go after a lot of low-rated players. Let's face it - if Kill recruits a 1-star kid from Eden Prairie instead of a 3-star kid from TX, that kid had better produce, or the second-guessers will never let him forget it. Yes, anybody on this board could cite cases of local kids who turned into productive players - but we could also cite cases of metro kids who went somewhere else and didn't pan out. And given the emphasis on speed at all levels of the sport, that is going to hurt some of the MN kids who don't have the raw speed of some kids from FL or TX.

These kids weren't and aren't diamonds in the rough that are over acheiving. That's just silly. Vraa was the Minnesota Player of the Year who is a great three sport athlete and the state 110 hurdles champion. Jirik was a top ten recruit in Mn who had the look then of a D1 player and plays that way now, Billy Turner's play spoke for itself if you ever saw him play in HS Z(which I did), Grant Olson was so good at the Mn All Star game (albeit without any of the BCS kids who no longer play) he legitimally "scared" a lot of the other kids he played against that week. Joe Lund is probably the only one that I would categorize as a diamond in the rough and his HS credentials were still pretty good. They were and all great football players who were overlooked because on first glance a bit short, a bit show, et al. Their football playing skills should never have been in question. Brewster cased his tail in other areas of the country and brought on board a lot of over rated recruits who turned out to be better suited, in retrospect, D2 type players who weren't nearly as good as what was in our back yard.

 

[Sportsfan24]

He was? Good thing he decided to introduce himself to area coaches after 3 years. I remember attending a Gopher practice and watching controlled chaoes. Calling Brewster a "train wreck" would be a serious understatement.
For the 1st time in my life, I actually feel like the Gopher football program is on the right track and that Kill will at some point lead us to a Rosebowl. I know some will call me a "homer" for that statement, but he just seems to "get it".

I would call you a fan.

 

[Sportsfan24]

These kids weren't and aren't diamonds in the rough that are over acheiving. That's just silly. Vraa was the Minnesota Player of the Year who is a great three sport athlete and the state 110 hurdles champion. Jirik was a top ten recruit in Mn who had the look then of a D1 player and plays that way now, Billy Turner's play spoke for itself if you ever saw him play in HS Z(which I did), Grant Olson was so good at the Mn All Star game (albeit without any of the BCS kids who no longer play) he legitimally "scared" a lot of the other kids he played against that week. Joe Lund is probably the only one that I would categorize as a diamond in the rough and his HS credentials were still pretty good. They were and all great football players who were overlooked because on first glance a bit short, a bit show, et al. Their football playing skills should never have been in question. Brewster cased his tail in other areas of the country and brought on board a lot of over rated recruits who turned out to be better suited, in retrospect, D2 type players who weren't nearly as good as what was in our back yard.

You should write this every day until folks finally get it. It absolutely apalls me that people don't/won't recognize what's in their own back yard. These kids can play (I'm not just talking about metro area kids).

I think the problem is folks watch Bama, Auburn, Texas, Florida...ect. And see the kids from thoes areas play and think wow! That's the anwser, and get so excited when the coach signs a player from the area. Guess what people? It ain't the same guy.

I will say it again.

Take the state the kid is from....identify the football programs between said state and Minnesota and ask yourself one question. Why would this kid choose to bypass all those schools and sign with the U....a program that has been barely relevent since before their parents where born?

The answer is still the same....the U was the best of their options....which is kind of scary if you are trying to get better with the recruits from programs worse off than you are.

There are exceptions (which are few to none but you get my point).

My point? In the past the U has taken shots on no name players, if you are gonna do that why not do so with state kids?

 

[Catechol]

NDSU should erect a statue to Brewster for the number of recruits across Minnesota and the upper mid west that he neglected. If it wasn't for him, they wouldn't have either of those championships without the 6-8 kids that he neglected to make offers to. Since Kill has gotten to Minnesota, he hasn't let very many solid D-I recruits slip by and over the next few years you will see the talent level ad NDSU fade quickly.

I don't think those 6-8 players, without the benefit of hindsight, would be projected to have the success they would. None had any other FBS outright scholarship offers. And would they really have success going up against B1G competition? If Brewster used up 8 schollies on those kids everyone would say he's got a terrible recruiting class, can't recruit out of state like they hoped, etc. The fact that many of his out of state recruits fizzled out (often for non-football reasons) does not make it more likely that the MN kids would have had more success on the field.

And I don't see how Kill's recruiting will have much to do with NDSU at all. Last year was a better than average year for signing MN kids, but it still followed the same pattern of losing the "top" kids (by Rivals rating at least) and signing most of the middle. These kids have virtually no overlap with NDSU. The one exception I see is Ben Lauer with NDSU the only other offer, so time will tell if his absence turns out to diminish NDSU's success. And unfortunately for Kill the top-rated MN D-I recruits this year have slipped, despite being at the positions of most need (DB, LB).

 

[lakesgopher]

I personally know many HS coaches around the metro that commented that Brewster nor his staff ever contacted them. In fact, I remember one coach telling me that one of his players that was receiving attention from Iowa, Wisconsin and some D-IAA schools, didn't even receive a letter from Brewster/Minnesota. Don't get me wrong, I am not hating on the guy, he just wasn't qualified for the job. That same coach commented that Mason and Shaw would stay in contact each year, even when he didn't have a player the Gophers were interested in. The good news is that Kill has done a very good job thus far and if he continues to do what he has at other schools, the Gophs will be in good shape.

Sounds to me like you have an agenda of hating on brew. I coach just outside the metro and never heard high school coaches ever say nice things about mason outside of wayzata

 

[Sportsfan24]

He was? Good thing he decided to introduce himself to area coaches after 3 years. I remember attending a Gopher practice and watching controlled chaoes. Calling Brewster a "train wreck" would be a serious understatement.
For the 1st time in my life, I actually feel like the Gopher football program is on the right track and that Kill will at some point lead us to a Rosebowl. I know some will call me a "homer" for that statement, but he just seems to "get it".

Tim was not a train wreck. He was an inexperienced coach who did not hire himself and had no guidance or leadership from the guy who did. He made mistakes, figured it out and made adjustments. If he would have remained the coach of this team would have won more games than it has the last two years.

He listened to what he was told about the history of the U and metro players, he listened to what he was told about the history of outstate kids being ignored only to shine elsewhere, he listened to what he was told about the previous guy (who I still believe is the best coach of the 3) who ignored local high school coaches and he was making an effort to figure it out. He listened. Mase would have said "I'm rich, why are you talking to me" and called security and the only words out of your mouth when talking to Kill is "hello" and maybe "good bye" in between you can't get a word in edge wise.

 

[John Galt]

Tim was not a train wreck. He was an inexperienced coach who did not hire himself and had no guidance or leadership from the guy who did. He made mistakes, figured it out and made adjustments. If he would have remained the coach of this team would have won more games than it has the last two years.
He listened to what he was told about the history of the U and metro players, he listened to what he was told about the history of outstate kids being ignored only to shine elsewhere, he listened to what he was told about the previous guy (who I still believe is the best coach of the 3) who ignored local high school coaches and he was making an effort to figure it out. He listened. Mase would have said "I'm rich, why are you talking to me" and called security and the only words out of your mouth when talking to Kill is "hello" and maybe "good bye" in between you can't get a word in edge wise.

Preposterous statement of the year. Brewster was on pace to win 1 game in 2010, year #4 for him. Two of his four years at the U, he had arguably the worst teams in the 120+ year history of football at the school. I actually have no problem with Brewster's personality and like him to this day, but call a spade a spade.

 

[lakesgopher]

Preposterous statement of the year. Brewster was on pace to win 1 game in 2010, year #4 for him. Two of his four years at the U, he had arguably the worst teams in the 120+ year history of football at the school. I actually have no problem with Brewster's personality and like him to this day, but call a spade a spade.

I only fault him for the second team, the time he was hired left us virtually no chance in year 1 no matter if Brewster was hired or nick Saban IMO

 

[50PoundHead]

I personally know many HS coaches around the metro that commented that Brewster nor his staff ever contacted them. In fact, I remember one coach telling me that one of his players that was receiving attention from Iowa, Wisconsin and some D-IAA schools, didn't even receive a letter from Brewster/Minnesota. Don't get me wrong, I am not hating on the guy, he just wasn't qualified for the job. That same coach commented that Mason and Shaw would stay in contact each year, even when he didn't have a player the Gophers were interested in. The good news is that Kill has done a very good job thus far and if he continues to do what he has at other schools, the Gophs will be in good shape.

I can't say for sure, but from all the high school types I talk to, Brewster was far more involved with Minnesota high school coaches than Mason was. That's not to say Mason didn't have a few high school programs that he kept in regular contact with, but he didn't have a statewide strategy and lost a ton of kids. That's not to say Brewster improved the situation much, but I know Mason was not held in that high a level of regard within the Minnesota high school football community.

 

[John Galt]

I only fault him for the second team, the time he was hired left us virtually no chance in year 1 no matter if Brewster was hired or nick Saban IMO

I agree that Mason left him little to work with, but a Mason coached team in 2007 would have still won 4+ games. Brewster lost at home to South Dakota and Northern Illinois in year 4. That will get any Big Ten coach fired.

 

[e.bigelow]

Tim was not a train wreck. He was an inexperienced coach who did not hire himself and had no guidance or leadership from the guy who did. He made mistakes, figured it out and made adjustments. If he would have remained the coach of this team would have won more games than it has the last two years.

He listened to what he was told about the history of the U and metro players, he listened to what he was told about the history of outstate kids being ignored only to shine elsewhere, he listened to what he was told about the previous guy (who I still believe is the best coach of the 3) who ignored local high school coaches and he was making an effort to figure it out. He listened. Mase would have said "I'm rich, why are you talking to me" and called security and the only words out of your mouth when talking to Kill is "hello" and maybe "good bye" in between you can't get a word in edge wise.

Whoa. That is a little bit out in left field man. I can not see where you saw ANY evidence that we would have won more games with Brew the last two years than Kill. That's crazy. After 2010, which was god awful until Brewster got canned, I would argue he would have won HALF as many games as Kill. Brewster probably would have had another fire sale of Coordinators and Asst's after the 2010 season and we would've had a group of new Coordinators again and starting fresh with new Offensive and Defensice schemes. To argue otherwise is just silly.

After you lose to the UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH DAKOTA, not SOUTH DAKOTA STATE, USD, which was absolutely pathetic, there is no way Brew would've won anymore games than Kill has. No chance.

 

[Sportsfan24]

Preposterous statement of the year. Brewster was on pace to win 1 game in 2010, year #4 for him. Two of his four years at the U, he had arguably the worst teams in the 120+ year history of football at the school. I actually have no problem with Brewster's personality and like him to this day, but call a spade a spade.

Take it a step further. Ask yourself WHY he was pace to win 1 game. The reason is because he mismanaged his classes which left him with inexperienced players in what was and should have been a make or break season. I get and understand why he as fired. I vehemently disagree with who was allowed to make the next hire. That was a huge error. I love my Vikings and I love AP, but I would trade him in a New York minute for Andrew Luck. Brew was alright with me but again, for an upgrade to make the team better, I'm cool with that. ALL things considered, we did not get the upgrade I hoped for to correct 50 years of this. Deadmen walking don't get the best coaches availible.

The correct thing for Brew to do (not for the team and certainly not for the players) would have been to bench Weber, possible Decker. Talk about the lack of talent, never ever never mention Rose Bowl, talk about what he doesn't have while getting young guys experience for those crucial contract years. For the sake of the program and his career that's how it should have been done.

 

[lakesgopher]

Whoa. That is a little bit out in left field man. I can not see where you saw ANY evidence that we would have won more games with Brew the last two years than Kill. That's crazy. After 2010, which was god awful until Brewster got canned, I would argue he would have won HALF as many games as Kill. Brewster probably would have had another fire sale of Coordinators and Asst's after the 2010 season and we would've had a group of new Coordinators again and starting fresh with new Offensive and Defensice schemes. To argue otherwise is just silly.

After you lose to the UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH DAKOTA, not SOUTH DAKOTA STATE, USD, which was absolutely pathetic, there is no way Brew would've won anymore games than Kill has. No chance.

Ya I don't know if brew would have won less, but I don't think he would have won more. Tough to say, track records are track records. I liked brew, the guy truly loved Minnesota and took too many risks and it cost him his job. He was able to make the U cool to kids around the state and I liked that a lot

 

[e.bigelow]

Ya I don't know if brew would have won less, but I don't think he would have won more. Tough to say, track records are track records. I liked brew, the guy truly loved Minnesota and took too many risks and it cost him his job. He was able to make the U cool to kids around the state and I liked that a lot

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. I really liked Coach Brew and he brought a lot of new fans towards the program with his unbridled enthusiam (Which I absolutely loved, by the way) that otherwise wouldn't have been. I certainly commend him for that. To say though that he would have won more games than Kill has in his time here is very hard for me to believe. The games he was in charge of in 2010, were just awful. We barely beat the Sun Belt Powerhouse of 2010, MTSU (6-7), in the only game Brew won as a HC in 2010. The only reason that game wasn't closer, or a loss, was that MTSU had suspended there star player at the time, the starting QB, for that game, and we still only won 24-17.

It was his utter mismanagement of the program, by that I mean recruiting and the revolving door of Coordinators every year that ultimately doomed him. Whether that mismanagement is actually factual or just perception of how he ran the team is up for debate.