Marcus: Pitino says he'll look at scheduling not as tough of a schedule

This thread, like Pitino's quote, is a bunch of garbage. He cant schedule an easier non conference schedule. We are going to play in a pre season tournament every year we get a chance (Great for Recruiting), we are going to have a ACC challenge game and hes going to have to at least schedule one interesting/challenging team as a tune up for B1G 10 play. That's exactly what we had this year.

Our SOS will always be in the top 20 because, as a bottom half B1G team, we will always have 6 -12 games against top tier B1G 10 teams. The only time we might get a little bit lower SOS is if we, by some stroke of luck, get a year where we play Mich, MSU, OSU, Iowa once each, all at home. And that will never happen.
He's pandering.
 

Much like football, a lighter SOS is a no-win situation. If you win against number 200 in the RPI, big deal. But if you lose....
 

I do hope it is just political shot at the NCAA. We don't need a bunch of High Point type teams, or hyphen teams.
We can t even fill the barn during the B1G season.
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Well, so much for hoping to see NDSU back at the Barn next December. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23gophers&src=hash">#gophers</a></p>— Darren Wolfson (@DarrenWolfson) <a href="https://twitter.com/DarrenWolfson/statuses/446838874744958977">March 21, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Go Gophers!!
 

You can NOT lose as many Conference games as the Coach and his team lost and expect to make this tourney. Finish in the top half of the conference and they won't keep you out of the tourney, Coach P.

The teams that the coach needs to worry about would be the teams like iowa, wisky, MSU, Michigan, the OSU, Illinois and some of the other Conference Teams. Finish 3rd...or 5th...or better in the Conference and if you win the majority of your cupcake games (of which there are SO many) and there will be an invitation to the NCAA Tourney at the end of a Conference Tourney in which you win at least two games. It is really quite simple. Try beating Northwestern, Nebraska, and next year Maryland and Rutgers, along with Illinois, Indiana and Purdue. And, just to be sure, win at LEAST two Conference Tourney games.

It is ALL about winning conference games if you want to get off the bubble and take the matter out of the hands of the committee and finally start to control your own fate. That's the bottom line Coach P. Remember that for the 2014 season. Who cares what you do with the ooc schedule? It is the Conference Games that matter coach.
 


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Well, so much for hoping to see NDSU back at the Barn next December. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23gophers&src=hash">#gophers</a></p>— Darren Wolfson (@DarrenWolfson) <a href="https://twitter.com/DarrenWolfson/statuses/446838874744958977">March 21, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Go Gophers!!

They're the one's who are ducking us, which I found ironic since this year was their best shot to beat us since 07
 

It is ALL about winning conference games if you want to get off the bubble and take the matter out of the hands of the committee and finally start to control your own fate.

Larry Brown couldn't agree more!
 

They're the one's who are ducking us, which I found ironic since this year was their best shot to beat us since 07

I can confirm this as 100% accurate.

When I was trying to piece together the Gophers' 2013-14 nonconference schedule, I directly emailed Saul Phillips to see if the Bison were playing the Gophers again. Phillips graciously returned my email immediately. Phillips jokingly replied they were not contracted to play the Gophers because "I figured 7 losses in a row meant it might be time for a break." He also mentioned that NDSU already had Notre Dame and Ohio State on their schedule, so he didn't feel like they needed another high-major on the schedule. That made perfect sense to me.

Phiilips seems like a really good dude, both he and SDSU coach Scott Nagy. Both guys have always returned my emails in the past, and always in a timely manner.
 

You really hammered that point home. Thanks.

You can NOT lose as many Conference games as the Coach and his team lost and expect to make this tourney. Finish in the top half of the conference and they won't keep you out of the tourney, Coach P.

The teams that the coach needs to worry about would be the teams like iowa, wisky, MSU, Michigan, the OSU, Illinois and some of the other Conference Teams. Finish 3rd...or 5th...or better in the Conference and if you win the majority of your cupcake games (of which there are SO many) and there will be an invitation to the NCAA Tourney at the end of a Conference Tourney in which you win at least two games. It is really quite simple. Try beating Northwestern, Nebraska, and next year Maryland and Rutgers, along with Illinois, Indiana and Purdue. And, just to be sure, win at LEAST two Conference Tourney games.

It is ALL about winning conference games if you want to get off the bubble and take the matter out of the hands of the committee and finally start to control your own fate. That's the bottom line Coach P. Remember that for the 2014 season. Who cares what you do with the ooc schedule? It is the Conference Games that matter coach.
 



The time to schedule NDSU is next season. They lose a bunch of studs.

And I will bet 2-1 odds that Saul Phillips is gone from NDSU next year too.

The last Bison appearance was with what some people say were Tim Miles' boys. Saul did it this year with HIS boys, plus he won a 2nd round game with them vs. Oklahoma.
 

The time to schedule NDSU is next season. They lose a bunch of studs. And I will bet 2-1 odds that Saul Phillips is gone from NDSU next year too. The last Bison appearance was with what some people say were Tim Miles' boys. Saul did it this year with HIS boys, plus he won a 2nd round game with them vs. Oklahoma.

Ya don't say??
 


NDSU refuses to play Moorhead St also.......chickens....the Dragons would kill them!!!
 



The time to schedule NDSU is next season. They lose a bunch of studs. And I will bet 2-1 odds that Saul Phillips is gone from NDSU next year too. The last Bison appearance was with what some people say were Tim Miles' boys. Saul did it this year with HIS boys, plus he won a 2nd round game with them vs. Oklahoma.

Why do you love ndsu so much?
 





You can NOT lose as many Conference games as the Coach and his team lost and expect to make this tourney. Finish in the top half of the conference and they won't keep you out of the tourney, Coach P.

The teams that the coach needs to worry about would be the teams like iowa, wisky, MSU, Michigan, the OSU, Illinois and some of the other Conference Teams. Finish 3rd...or 5th...or better in the Conference and if you win the majority of your cupcake games (of which there are SO many) and there will be an invitation to the NCAA Tourney at the end of a Conference Tourney in which you win at least two games. It is really quite simple. Try beating Northwestern, Nebraska, and next year Maryland and Rutgers, along with Illinois, Indiana and Purdue. And, just to be sure, win at LEAST two Conference Tourney games.

It is ALL about winning conference games if you want to get off the bubble and take the matter out of the hands of the committee and finally start to control your own fate. That's the bottom line Coach P. Remember that for the 2014 season. Who cares what you do with the ooc schedule? It is the Conference Games that matter coach.

Good to hear from you on this board Wren. What does Prexy think?
 


You can NOT lose as many Conference games as the Coach and his team lost and expect to make this tourney. Finish in the top half of the conference and they won't keep you out of the tourney, Coach P.

The teams that the coach needs to worry about would be the teams like iowa, wisky, MSU, Michigan, the OSU, Illinois and some of the other Conference Teams. Finish 3rd...or 5th...or better in the Conference and if you win the majority of your cupcake games (of which there are SO many) and there will be an invitation to the NCAA Tourney at the end of a Conference Tourney in which you win at least two games. It is really quite simple. Try beating Northwestern, Nebraska, and next year Maryland and Rutgers, along with Illinois, Indiana and Purdue. And, just to be sure, win at LEAST two Conference Tourney games.

It is ALL about winning conference games if you want to get off the bubble and take the matter out of the hands of the committee and finally start to control your own fate. That's the bottom line Coach P. Remember that for the 2014 season. Who cares what you do with the ooc schedule? It is the Conference Games that matter coach.

Actually just last season, two Big Ten teams, Illinois and our very own Golden Gophers, lost as many conference games as this team did and made the tournament. And just last season Iowa finished in the top half of the conference and did not get invited to the tournament. That Illinois team that went 8-10 and did not finish in the top half of the conference got a 7 seed in the tournament, likely at least partially because of getting wins over Butler and Gonzaga, a 6 and a 1 seed respectively, out of conference. If conference wins are what really matter, why did a 10-8 Ohio State get a 6 seed, while 11-7 Nebraska got an 11? Wisconsin and Michigan State both went 12-6 in conference, yet Wisky is a 2 seed and MSU is a 4. Georgia went 12-6 in their conference, yet didn't make the tournament, but 12-6 Kentucky and 11-7 Tennessee did.

I know you love your Big Ten Wins[SUP]TM[/SUP], but I think non-conference scheduling and non-conference wins mean more to the selection committee than you think they do.
 

Actually just last season, two Big Ten teams, Illinois and our very own Golden Gophers, lost as many conference games as this team did and made the tournament. And just last season Iowa finished in the top half of the conference and did not get invited to the tournament. That Illinois team that went 8-10 and did not finish in the top half of the conference got a 7 seed in the tournament, likely at least partially because of getting wins over Butler and Gonzaga, a 6 and a 1 seed respectively, out of conference. If conference wins are what really matter, why did a 10-8 Ohio State get a 6 seed, while 11-7 Nebraska got an 11? Wisconsin and Michigan State both went 12-6 in conference, yet Wisky is a 2 seed and MSU is a 4. Georgia went 12-6 in their conference, yet didn't make the tournament, but 12-6 Kentucky and 11-7 Tennessee did.

I know you love your Big Ten Wins[SUP]TM[/SUP], but I think non-conference scheduling and non-conference wins mean more to the selection committee than you think they do.

Seems to me that the common thing all of our failed and fired Gopher Men's Basketball Coaches have had since before Clem Haskins...heck, even take it back to Jim Dutcher and Bill Musselman...all the way back to Johnny Kundla was that they very seldom finished high enough in the Big Ten Standings or they had to cheat to try to finish higher in the Big Ten Standings. Back in the old days, the tourney didn't invite so many teams and about the only way to get an invitation was to win your conference. So, those early coaches had it a LOT tougher than the more recent crop of coaches. It was only a few coaches, teams and fan bases who whined so much back then. That was before the "bubble" and the automatic invitations.

Now, teams finish in 7th or 8th place and they think they are getting screwed because they don't get invited to the tourney. It seems our own Coach may be voicing some sour grapes. It seems as though not only did he not do well enough in the Conference Standings or in the Conference Tourney, but he also feels he needs a softer ooc schedule.

There are SO MANY cupcakes on the Men's Hoops Schedule that season ticket holders are getting royally ripped off. The people who make the "selections" are working on their own bias and a lot of smoke and mirrors. IF you do too poorly in your own conference, you enter that fantasy never-never land called the bubble. Even the very fact that there is a "bubble-zone" tells me that the "books are cooked" and some teams are going to be nailed to the wall and royally jobbed while other teams are going on their magic carpet ride all expenses paid at the pleasure of the "selection committee." But, it keeps boored and dejected fans somewhat engaged and interested in the final third of the season.

Don't you care about those 18 Conference games and then the Conference Tourney? The Ohio State/Nebraska seeds? The selection committee bleeds the OHIO STATE colors. And, Nebraska forever has sucked in hoops. There are LOT more tv viewers in Ohio than in Nebraska. And, besides that, Nebraska has Creighton! But, BOTH Ohio State and Nebraska beat the Coach the last time they played. So, their placement meant nothing to me. Georgia let the bubble boys and girls mess with them because they didn't go 13-5 in their conference instead of 12-6 They could have made the selection committee put the screws to some other programs if ONLY they would have won enough conference games. Basically, to INSURE that the selection committee can't make posters on GOPHER HOLE whine and cry about not making the tournament AGAIN, the Coach and his Team HAVE to win MORE Conference Games. And they HAVE to close STRONG in the Conference Standings and they have still another chance to make a RUN in the Conference Tourney and beat two or three conference members in their tourney. The Conference RECORD means SO much because after the ooc schedule has been completed there are 18 conference games played. And then the conference tournament. It matters HOW the team plays at the end of the season. It matters HOW well the team does in it's final six or seven games. The selection committee may still screw teams over, but the coach and the team should at least care about finishing the highest they can possibly finish in the conference rather than to stumble and fall and quit playing for pride down the stretch in conference play. Personally, I STILL believe that the object of the game is to WIN the Conference Championship. And, if you can't do that: win the Conference Tourney. The rest will ALL take care of itself.
 

Wren basketball doesn't work the way football does, the only reason the gophers made the dance last year was because of their non conference success, committee looks at the body of work, also in football as the corruption of bowl system shows, conference wins don't really matter in that sport as long as a team is eligible
 

The bowl game selections are made by local bowl committees. They each work independently of one another. They invite the team that fits the criteria and that they think will bring the most fans to the game. They also sell the game to the networks and cable companies. It is what it is.

The Road to the Final Four is paved with probably MORE corruption and MORE under-the-table deals and MORE manipulation by the holder of the contract with the NCAA to televise this deal. It really has NOTHING to do with selecting the BEST teams OR the most highly ranked teams. It is ALL about deals with conferences, sponsors, regional match-ups and hype...hype...hype. You want to talk about "corrupt..."

However, just as the bowl system eventually claimed a "National Champion", so has the road to the final four. Louisville was crowned last year. Were they REALLY the best? How many teams did the selection committee manipulate, eliminate, or put the screws to?

I'd have to say that the dance is morally no better than the bowl system and that the bowl system certainly is more transparent on the lower levels than the dance is.

Both football and men's hoops at the University of Minnesota NEED to focus first on improving their collective conference standings. Conference wins mean MORE to the fates of Minnesota football and basketball than they do most of the other teams in the conference. When you are in the bottom third of the conference only conference wins can improve your position in the conference. And you had darn-well better be concerned about how many conference games you win...or you lose IF you are the coach.
 

So you're saying we should win more conference games???

Seems to me that the common thing all of our failed and fired Gopher Men's Basketball Coaches have had since before Clem Haskins...heck, even take it back to Jim Dutcher and Bill Musselman...all the way back to Johnny Kundla was that they very seldom finished high enough in the Big Ten Standings or they had to cheat to try to finish higher in the Big Ten Standings. Back in the old days, the tourney didn't invite so many teams and about the only way to get an invitation was to win your conference. So, those early coaches had it a LOT tougher than the more recent crop of coaches. It was only a few coaches, teams and fan bases who whined so much back then. That was before the "bubble" and the automatic invitations.

Now, teams finish in 7th or 8th place and they think they are getting screwed because they don't get invited to the tourney. It seems our own Coach may be voicing some sour grapes. It seems as though not only did he not do well enough in the Conference Standings or in the Conference Tourney, but he also feels he needs a softer ooc schedule.

There are SO MANY cupcakes on the Men's Hoops Schedule that season ticket holders are getting royally ripped off. The people who make the "selections" are working on their own bias and a lot of smoke and mirrors. IF you do too poorly in your own conference, you enter that fantasy never-never land called the bubble. Even the very fact that there is a "bubble-zone" tells me that the "books are cooked" and some teams are going to be nailed to the wall and royally jobbed while other teams are going on their magic carpet ride all expenses paid at the pleasure of the "selection committee." But, it keeps boored and dejected fans somewhat engaged and interested in the final third of the season.

Don't you care about those 18 Conference games and then the Conference Tourney? The Ohio State/Nebraska seeds? The selection committee bleeds the OHIO STATE colors. And, Nebraska forever has sucked in hoops. There are LOT more tv viewers in Ohio than in Nebraska. And, besides that, Nebraska has Creighton! But, BOTH Ohio State and Nebraska beat the Coach the last time they played. So, their placement meant nothing to me. Georgia let the bubble boys and girls mess with them because they didn't go 13-5 in their conference instead of 12-6 They could have made the selection committee put the screws to some other programs if ONLY they would have won enough conference games. Basically, to INSURE that the selection committee can't make posters on GOPHER HOLE whine and cry about not making the tournament AGAIN, the Coach and his Team HAVE to win MORE Conference Games. And they HAVE to close STRONG in the Conference Standings and they have still another chance to make a RUN in the Conference Tourney and beat two or three conference members in their tourney. The Conference RECORD means SO much because after the ooc schedule has been completed there are 18 conference games played. And then the conference tournament. It matters HOW the team plays at the end of the season. It matters HOW well the team does in it's final six or seven games. The selection committee may still screw teams over, but the coach and the team should at least care about finishing the highest they can possibly finish in the conference rather than to stumble and fall and quit playing for pride down the stretch in conference play. Personally, I STILL believe that the object of the game is to WIN the Conference Championship. And, if you can't do that: win the Conference Tourney. The rest will ALL take care of itself.
 

As we are starting to see....the conference was WAY better last year than it was this year.
 

As we are starting to see....the conference was WAY better last year than it was this year.

My thoughts on that?

The number of elite teams this season (Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin) is one below what we had last season (Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State), but that changes if the Big Ten gets 2 in the Final 4 this season, or if they win it all.

The middle last season (Illinois, Iowa, Gophers, Wisconsin) was more imposing than the middle this season (Ohio State, Iowa, Gophers, Indiana).

The bottom this season (Illinois, Indiana, Penn State, Northwestern, Purdue) was much better than the bottom last season (Nebraska, Northwestern, Penn State, Purdue).

Hard to decide where to put Nebraska this season. ... fit in somewhere between the elite and the middle. Can't be considered middle with 4th-place finish.
 

The 68 team format is a mess. Some poor teams get automatics while some mediocre team get left out. Then you see Mercer beat Duke and few other upsets. You have to be basketball psycho to care before the Sweet Sixteen.
 

Time to go back to 64 teams.

Do we really need the last four at-large teams in the tournament?....NO. If your team is one of those teams you might think they do but REALLY?

Some of the best games are on the first weekend. Gives the small schools a shot at the big boys in a lot of games. If you're one of the big boys you better not think you can just show up.
 

Time to go back to 64 teams.

Do we really need the last four at-large teams in the tournament?....NO. If your team is one of those teams you might think they do but REALLY?

Some of the best games are on the first weekend. Gives the small schools a shot at the big boys in a lot of games. If you're one of the big boys you better not think you can just show up.

I do some low-grade statistical analysis when I prepare for the pool I participate in. What you find when you crunch the numbers is there is really not such a huge gap in capability between these teams in the tournament. Even when you look at these 11-6 and 12-5 matchups, you're talking about teams who are sometimes only a few points apart in computer ratings - close enough that what it comes down to is who shows up to play, who plays best, who makes the fewest mistakes, and a shot here and there. The number of upsets is really not all that surprising.
 




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