Marcus: Pitino says he'll look at scheduling not as tough of a schedule

Of course he is trying to make a statement.

I can believe all the griping that takes place over all the cream puffs in our non- conference schedule. IT WAS A TOP 10 SOS!!!! That means that 300+ college teams played a weaker schedule. Only Wisc and Mich had a tougher schedule in the B1G! Who do you think everyone else plays in their non conference games? Get a grasp of reality, no one plays big name schools every game. Our schedule was one of the toughest in all of college basketball, we can't make it any tougher.
 

There only reason we aren't dancing is because the grinch coaches his players to intimidate shooters by cutting their feet out from under them. Most don't get hurt, some do and their team is sunk for the season. Dre is far from recovered. I hope Pitino is able to get into his head and heal that.
 

The ticket-holder rage is much lighter in here than I thought it would be.
 

People forget the quality mid major games when analyzing our non-conference SOS. Teams like Costal Carolina that people bitch and moan about that actually end up being great games because the team goes on to win their conference and get into the dance. Those types of games really help your SOS, scheduling those types of mid majors was Esposito's specialty.

I wonder if those kind of games didn't create a perception that our SOS was a so-called "paper tiger". Teams like Coastal Carolina boost our SOS, but they really shouldn't challenge to beat us. I think if you looked you could find teams out there with a more difficult schedule (but a weaker SOS) due to scheduling more teams of the kind of quality that would make them a legitimate threat to beat B1G caliber teams.
 

Minnesota didn't get in cause they're crapped in the B1G. At least if you're gonna crap in conference, go undefeated during the non-conference, like last season's Gophers. Pitino is following in Rick's and Billy Donovan's school of coaching...load up on cupcakes in the non-conference. Florida and Louisville are both known for playing a creampuff non-conference schedule and I'm sure Richard will follow, unless Teague has something to say about it.
 


Minnesota didn't get in cause they're crapped in the B1G. At least if you're gonna crap in conference, go undefeated during the non-conference, like last season's Gophers. Pitino is following in Rick's and Billy Donovan's school of coaching...load up on cupcakes in the non-conference. Florida and Louisville are both known for playing a creampuff non-conference schedule and I'm sure Richard will follow, unless Teague has something to say about it.

Florida had a fairly tough non conference schedule this year. Louisville, not so much.
 

This year we played in a tournment, the ACC challenge and Richmond. Exactly how much easier are we going to make it? Get rid of the pesky Richmond game? I get that the Selection Committee seemed to shaft us by seemingly not even having us in the conversation, but the SOS # this year was somewhat decepitve. We didn't exactly load up the non-conference schedule, we just played a higher quality of cupcake than most teams.

Since 2007, we have played one home game against a BCS opponent that was not an ACC challenge game. It's pathetic. I don't want to hear how we have to make our schedule easier. If you want to make it easier by playing VMI and IUPUI instead of Wofford and NDSU, fine. But I don't think that accomplishes anything except hurting your RPI for no reason.
 

They played a lot of teams with good records in bad conferences. That is why their strength of schedule was rated so highly in the RPI. The other ratings systems had us with a strength of schedule of about 20, because they look at more than opponents records when they look at strength of schedule. The reason the Gophers didn't get in was because they had 4 road wins all year and none of those were against teams that made the tournament or were even on the bubble by the end of the year.....not because they played such difficult non conference games against teams like Coastal Carolina and Wofford. Compare that to North Carolina State which had road or neutral site wins against Pitt, Tennessee and Syracuse who are all tournament teams, along with 4 other road ACC wins and it is easy to see why they got the bid ahead of us.
 

Minnesota didn't get in cause they're crapped in the B1G. At least if you're gonna crap in conference, go undefeated during the non-conference, like last season's Gophers. Pitino is following in Rick's and Billy Donovan's school of coaching...load up on cupcakes in the non-conference. Florida and Louisville are both known for playing a creampuff non-conference schedule and I'm sure Richard will follow, unless Teague has something to say about it.

They lost to Duke last year in the non conference part of their season.
 



Minnesota didn't get in cause they're crapped in the B1G. At least if you're gonna crap in conference, go undefeated during the non-conference, like last season's Gophers. Pitino is following in Rick's and Billy Donovan's school of coaching...load up on cupcakes in the non-conference. Florida and Louisville are both known for playing a creampuff non-conference schedule and I'm sure Richard will follow, unless Teague has something to say about it.

If it gets us 1 seeds and national championships, I think I'll survive.
 

This year we played in a tournment, the ACC challenge and Richmond. Exactly how much easier are we going to make it? Get rid of the pesky Richmond game? I get that the Selection Committee seemed to shaft us by seemingly not even having us in the conversation, but the SOS # this year was somewhat decepitve. We didn't exactly load up the non-conference schedule, we just played a higher quality of cupcake than most teams.

Since 2007, we have played one home game against a BCS opponent that was not an ACC challenge game. It's pathetic. I don't want to hear how we have to make our schedule easier. If you want to make it easier by playing VMI and IUPUI instead of Wofford and NDSU, fine. But I don't think that accomplishes anything except hurting your RPI for no reason.

I don't think those BCS non conference teams want a road game in the Barn. Rick Pitino clearly does not.
 

That would have been the worst Gopher team ever sent to the NCAA. We had to beat Penn State 3 times to even be in the conversation. I can't believe how quickly we have lowered our expectations.
 

Of course he is trying to make a statement.

I can believe all the griping that takes place over all the cream puffs in our non- conference schedule. IT WAS A TOP 10 SOS!!!! That means that 300+ college teams played a weaker schedule. Only Wisc and Mich had a tougher schedule in the B1G! Who do you think everyone else plays in their non conference games? Get a grasp of reality, no one plays big name schools every game. Our schedule was one of the toughest in all of college basketball, we can't make it any tougher.

They had one road game that wasn't a tournament game and played one team with an RPI in the top 50. Look up how the RPI gets it's strength of schedule.....it is not the most accurate way to determine strength of schedule and is totally based on opponents record......not the RPI or where the games were played. We played a lot of teams with good records in crappy conferences....so our strength of schedule......in the non conference was greatly overstated. Our B1G schedule was very difficult, but non conference not so much. The answer to the problem....win some road games.
 



I love it. He's playing the political game. It was a joke that we weren't even "considered" for one of the final spots given our SOS and RPI.

We had as many road/neutral wins against good teams as SMU did. Though I'm not a fan of the committee doing an "eye test" or taking the statistics out of it, they correctly identified SMU and the Gophers as teams with a similarly questionable resume, even with the SOS and RPI anomalies.
 

We had as many road/neutral wins against good teams as SMU did. Though I'm not a fan of the committee doing an "eye test" or taking the statistics out of it, they correctly identified SMU and the Gophers as teams with a similarly questionable resume, even with the SOS and RPI anomalies.

All I was saying is that we should have at least been in the first four out, hence "considered." Georgetown at 17-14 (8-10) with a worst SOS and RPI than us were in the first four out. That is a joke.
 

That would have been the worst Gopher team ever sent to the NCAA. We had to beat Penn State 3 times to even be in the conversation. I can't believe how quickly we have lowered our expectations.

I think a big part of our gripe is that when it comes to measuring quality of victories, there is this big bright line at RPI 50, and a victory all of a sudden becomes severely diminished as soon as a team drops out of the top-50. However, when it comes to measuring the quality of a team, you don't get the same bright line bonus for being in the top-50. This goes back to the thread we have about how ridiculous it is that Iowa is in, we aren't, yet they don't count as a quality victory for us but we do for them.
 

There only reason we aren't dancing is because the grinch coaches his players to intimidate shooters by cutting their feet out from under them. Most don't get hurt, some do and their team is sunk for the season. Dre is far from recovered. I hope Pitino is able to get into his head and heal that.

Would it be fair that if Wisconsin ever gets caught recklessly hurting someone like that again, that the opposing team gets to pummel Bo Ryan? It's a semi-serious question.
 

I'm with Madtown in that this is all PR aimed at the committee for leaving us out.

If Pitino really wanted a weak schedule he wouldn't have scheduled UL next year even with his dad as coach and he wouldn't push for us to be in the tournaments we are.

Ding ding ding. People are overreacting about a quote meant to take a subtle shot at the committee.
 

All I was saying is that we should have at least been in the first four out, hence "considered." Georgetown at 17-14 (8-10) with a worst SOS and RPI than us were in the first four out. That is a joke.

Did we ever find out if the "next 4" mentioned by CBS were really the next 4? Could have just been "notable" teams out or a brain fart by CBS. If not, I guess maybe the committee gave too much respect to Georgetown for that win against an injured MSU.
 

I think a big part of our gripe is that when it comes to measuring quality of victories, there is this big bright line at RPI 50, and a victory all of a sudden becomes severely diminished as soon as a team drops out of the top-50. However, when it comes to measuring the quality of a team, you don't get the same bright line bonus for being in the top-50. This goes back to the thread we have about how ridiculous it is that Iowa is in, we aren't, yet they don't count as a quality victory for us but we do for them.

This. I really hope the selection committee does more than look at top-50 and top-100 records. A top-65 or top-75 breakdown would be very instructive as well as a top-25 breakdown. The line at #50 appears to be some magic line, and your comment about it is quite valid. If you are a top-50 team, then perhaps you need to have a bonus or asterisk or something for that type of comparative analysis.
 

I think a big part of our gripe is that when it comes to measuring quality of victories, there is this big bright line at RPI 50, and a victory all of a sudden becomes severely diminished as soon as a team drops out of the top-50. However, when it comes to measuring the quality of a team, you don't get the same bright line bonus for being in the top-50. This goes back to the thread we have about how ridiculous it is that Iowa is in, we aren't, yet they don't count as a quality victory for us but we do for them.

Maybe it's just me, but I was thinking when we hired Coach P. we would be doing more than argue semantics come NCAA time. This is not in the top 100 of worst things that ever happened to the Gophers. The committee got it right. I thought one of the things we liked about Coach P. was he never complained about things he can't control?
 

There are a lot of reasons why we didn't get in. But the biggest thing is simply that after we lost those back to back games vs NW and Purdue, one being a home game even, we basically got written off. The experts put us out of their minds for the most part. Iowa was considered a lock at the time and no one, besides myself that I know of, saw the Nebraska thing coming. Before their NW road win I predicted at another site that Nebraska had a realistic shot of getting in IF the first beat NW on the road. After they did, I said they were headed for the Dance.

And the thing is, while Nebraska struggled and looked horrid early, and I mean BAD, 8-5 or 10-5 in the ooc I think, and then started out 0-4 in conf?! That actually helped them, because they got all of the tough games out of the way, and even a bad loss to PSU went unnoticed. Not because it wasn't a bad loss, but because no one was even paying attention to Nebraska at the time.

So Iowa was seen as a lock, Richmond was a Top 50 rated Road win for us, FSU was on the rise and in the Top 50 for a time, all things were going well for us, and then Nebraska enters the easier half of their schedule, just after we suffer those back to back bad losses, THAT EVERYONE DID NOTICE, because they WERE paying attention to us, until we lost those games of course, and then things changed in the minds and perceptions of those paying attention. Richmond loses their best player and starts to drop, FSU starts to drop, Iowa starts to drop and so even when we beat them, people thought "no big deal, home game vs a reeling team" and also, the thing about Iowa was they were better than their rating. Ken-pom and Sagarin both had them in the Top 20, we had 3 wins vs Top 20 teams according to those ratings, and FSU is still Top 50 in those 2 as well, so 4 Top 50 wins just like SMU. And btw, PSU beat Nebraska AND swept OSU, and was Top 75 in the Sagarin Ratings, and we beat them 3 times, 1 Road, 1 home and 1 neutral, and not a single cbb fan out there could care less because the RPI has them out of the Top 100 and Iowa out of the Top 50 much less the Top 20. Oh wait, not until AFTER we beat them to knock them out of the Top 50.

But Iowa, despite the 1-6 finish, was considered in, Nebraska fooled everyone with smoke and mirrors and a lot of home wins and a run at the end that impressed everyone cept Big Ten fans that might have known the scheduling issues, as they had the easiest big ten schedule ever!!! But yet I saw a lot of Big Ten fans and Gopher fans who were very impressed with Nebraska. Like the Larry Brown effect has people going gaga over SMU, Nebraska's new coach and new arena ad practice facility has alot of Gopher fans jealous of them, and hence possibly more impressed than they should be. Don't get me wrong, they did get a road win vs Indiana was it? And are deserving of an NCAA bid, and that win helped seal the deal for Nebraska, after that they become a lock and Iowa actually was probably the bubble big ten team that we could have traded places with, had we not lost to Wisconsin, or at least not lost in such an embarrassing manner.

But I wonder if our getting in close to last 4 in last year, with Iowa kind of near the last 4 out, had anyone thinking "ah, lets keep Iowa in this time and leave Minny out, they lost badly to Wisconsin, no one will care but some Gopher fans?" Not a big on the theory that there is a conspiracy around every corner, so not being too serious about this last part.


Nebraska had 3 bad losses but end of the year runs and late season road wins go along way and are things that are fresh in people's minds.


Heck, I had an NCSU fan tell me how the Gophers CRUMBLED at the end of the season, he pointed out our 5-8 finish. When I pointed out that we went 5-5 in our last 10, same as NCSU, he didn't even have a clue. The impression was locked in his mind about us. I'm guessing the Selection Committee thought much like he was thinking in regards to us, so despite the win over Iowa and the back to back wins over PSU, it was still felt we needed that one more big win which unfortunately for us would have had to been against a team that was 8-1 in its last 9 games with their only loss being the road loss to Nebraska a team that had only lost 1 home game all year, by 1 point, to Michigan, and who is now being picked by some to make the Final Four.


NCSU now, is beating a Pittsburgh team that is dropping in the polls, kind of like Iowa, the difference being the RPI was nicer to Pitt and it was a road game. They beat FSU which was a double kick in the nuts for us, although had FSU won that game they might have gotten in over us instead?! They were right there as well despite the loss to NCSU. But then they get to face a Syracuse team that despite going 2-4 in the their last 6 games, including losses to a 150+ rated team and a 200+ rated team, was still rated Top 15 for some reason, and they beat them, which looked more impressive than it actually was.


Basically, things just didn't fall into place for us, the timing of things hurt us more than if the same things had taken place at different times. And things did fall into place for NCSU.


Now? I have high hopes for UMn AND PSU to do well in the NIT and the CBi, and for NCSU to lose in the play in game, setting up a hopeful meeting of UMn and SMU in MSG. I think that would really be a great matchup and a game that would get a lot of attention. In the end, if we win that game, the U of Mn and Pitino could get a lot more positive attention shown on it than NCSU if they do lose that first game as it was pretty unanimous from what I could tell that they were the weakest at large team to get in.
 

Ok, I think we can all agree that Pitino is just blowing off some steam. As it stands, its not like MN is scheduling like Izzo, who is loading up consistently with difficult non-conference opponents. That's part of what makes his teams so tough is that they are battle tested before the B1G season even begins. Sure, having an abundance of 4 and 5* recruits helps too. If nothing else they should be able to find plenty of opportunities for more neutral site games to bolster their non-conference schedule. As others have stated, they can only blame themselves for not taking care of business on the road this past year.
 

I don't think those BCS non conference teams want a road game in the Barn. Rick Pitino clearly does not.

BS. Every other team manages to schedule BCS home-and-homes. Don't give me the 'everyone's too scared to come to the Barn' song. Monson managed one or more every year.
 

Maybe if we played some road games in the non conference, we would't be so terrible on the road in the B1G. Honestly, I understand it is difficult to play on the road, but we play inexcusably bad on the road every single time.
 

Minnesota didn't get in cause they're crapped in the B1G. At least if you're gonna crap in conference, go undefeated during the non-conference, like last season's Gophers. Pitino is following in Rick's and Billy Donovan's school of coaching...load up on cupcakes in the non-conference. Florida and Louisville are both known for playing a creampuff non-conference schedule and I'm sure Richard will follow, unless Teague has something to say about it.

This year Florida played Wisconsin, FSU, UConn, Kansas, Memphis and Richmond. Try again.
 

There are a lot of coaches that play crap nonconference schedules on a regular basis. Billy Donovan is not one of 'em.
 

Maybe it's just me, but I was thinking when we hired Coach P. we would be doing more than argue semantics come NCAA time. This is not in the top 100 of worst things that ever happened to the Gophers. The committee got it right. I thought one of the things we liked about Coach P. was he never complained about things he can't control?

I don't think it is arguing semantics to say that it is asinine for a non-tournament team to count as a quality win for a tournament team while that same tournament team does not count as a quality win for the non-tournament team.

Having said that, I don't want Pitino to whine about stuff he can't control (that's why we're here). I am on record over on the "Bo Ryan was mean to us" thread suggesting that Pitino should be more worried about being upset at his players and fixing what got us blown out by a rival than he should be about another team running up the score. I'll certainly be annoyed if "on the bubble" is where we keep finding ourselves after Pitino has had a chance to get some more of his guys in our system.

My final thought: I think that the tournament field is too big, and in a perfect world our performance this year should not qualify for a berth. However, we do have the junk 68 team field, and I think we had a better resume than Iowa. Higher RPI and a near identical record despite a significantly more difficult schedule.
 

Anyone else find the name "Lil Richard 69" creepy? Pretty hilarious name though.
 

Maybe it's just me, but I was thinking when we hired Coach P. we would be doing more than argue semantics come NCAA time. This is not in the top 100 of worst things that ever happened to the Gophers. The committee got it right. I thought one of the things we liked about Coach P. was he never complained about things he can't control?

Thank you. This whining about the selection is like the complaining after the Wisconsin game. It's on the Gophers to take care of it. Don't cry if you lose to Northwestern at home and don't bitch about officials causing you to get blown out in a BIG Tournament game.
 




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