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Gopher2017 said:
Can we stop with the "we need to be patient" bullcrap?! As Gopher fans, we've been patient for years and years and years. Enough. All of you "let's be patient" folks need to step aside and let the adults take over.

Sidebar: I'm not sure who we could get as a coach seeing this program is lower than low so I don't see this program climbing out of the cellar any time soon. No, I don't think Richard is going to do the trick and not sure who could. I think it will take some 'unknown' hire who will come in and blow our socks off.
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You clearly aren't ready to leave the kids table. I like how you complain and cant offer a solution
 

bemidjigopher said:
You clearly aren't ready to leave the kids table. I like how you complain and cant offer a solution
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Nor are the people who say "we need to be more patient". They aren't giving up any solutions either. What does being patient do in the long term? Is 30 years not patient enough? People who say we need to be more patient have no solution as they're hoping things will turn out OK. Saying "be patient" is being lazy.
 

Gopher2017 said:
Nor are the people who say "we need to be more patient". They aren't giving up any solutions either. What does being patient do in the long term? Is 30 years not patient enough? People who say we need to be more patient have no solution as they're hoping things will turn out OK. Saying "be patient" is being lazy.
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Be patient.
 


if I keep banging my head against the wall after watching the gophers, I won't be patient, I will be a patient - in the emergency room.
 


Gopher2017 said:
Nor are the people who say "we need to be more patient". They aren't giving up any solutions either. What does being patient do in the long term? Is 30 years not patient enough? People who say we need to be more patient have no solution as they're hoping things will turn out OK. Saying "be patient" is being lazy.
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And again, genius, just what is your solution? If "being lazy" is being bright enough to know you don't blow it up after 3 years simply to start over, then I guess I'm one of the lazy ones. I also know I'm smarter than someone throwing a hissy fit without one positive suggestn as to what should be done.
 

PG --Mcbrayer-- like his athleticism ..gets to rim/nice shot...needs to get stronger ..ok defense
Backup Dorsey---very very quick learning the game...will see a big jump next year..good defense

SG--- mason -- solid player takes care of the ball
Backup --- Morris in my opion the biggets problem this year-- worst defensive palyer I have ever seen
Next year--Coffey ---all around good player--needs to put on weight.

SF--Morris terrible turnover machine
Backup -- Buggs-- solid backup does some decent things--
Next year-- Coffey -- solid not sure how his game translates to D1
Next year -- Fitzgerald -- very athletic --

PF---King -- very nice shooter-- that's it
Backup--Murphy best player on the team not even close
Next year-- Murphy-
Next year-- Fitzgerald
Next year -- Curry --athletic-- hope he can be close to Murphy type!

C - Konate--- ok defense-- ok rebounding-- need more
Backup --- dieg --- not a D1 player
Next year Lynch--- better be the starter--
Backup Konate-- decent backup.

So next year we expect 3 new starters at by far our weakest positions..
I like that two of the new starters will have college experience.
 

We all new this would be a bad year...if u didn't realize that u either don't pay much attention to the program or are not a very smart basketball mind.
 

Mulligan said:
And again, genius, just what is your solution? If "being lazy" is being bright enough to know you don't blow it up after 3 years simply to start over, then I guess I'm one of the lazy ones. I also know I'm smarter than someone throwing a hissy fit without one positive suggestn as to what should be done.
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Oh, goodie, some want us to continue being OK with things the way they are. Then again, we are Minnesota Gopher fans so being cellar dwellers is habit for us. OK, I'll let things continue as is. Let me know when you tire of always being at the bottom of the Big Ten standings each season. At this rate, I'll give you 20 years.

You clearly aren't very bright because you continue to say I'm not giving you a solution but I have.

Yes, most of us knew this would be a rough season but most of you "let's be patient" folks seem to think Richard is a coach that can turn this program around. Well, if he is, he should be getting more from this squad than he is. A great coach would be able to get more from his team. It's not like these boys have never before played basketball.

Hiring Richard was an experiment more or less and it failed. In all seriousness, what is your over/under for how long we should give him to see if he's our savior?
 



Gopher2017 said:
Oh, goodie, some want us to continue being OK with things the way they are. Then again, we are Minnesota Gopher fans so being cellar dwellers is habit for us. OK, I'll let things continue as is. Let me know when you tire of always being at the bottom of the Big Ten standings each season. At this rate, I'll give you 20 years.

You clearly aren't very bright because you continue to say I'm not giving you a solution but I have.

Yes, most of us knew this would be a rough season but most of you "let's be patient" folks seem to think Richard is a coach that can turn this program around. Well, if he is, he should be getting more from this squad than he is. A great coach would be able to get more from his team. It's not like these boys have never before played basketball.

Hiring Richard was an experiment more or less and it failed. In all seriousness, what is your over/under for how long we should give him to see if he's our savior?
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If we don't see progress next season then I think we need to look somewhere else. I'm not sure if Pitino can get it done or not. I think next year we will find out for sure. I'm fine with people not thinking he can get it done and that we should be looking elsewhere right away. But I don't like it when someone disagrees with that and that somehow means they are okay with being mediocre.

The reason I think we should wait one more year is because I think he has a chance to "right the ship". We have two transfers who I think can be good contributors. A lot of young guys are getting experience this season and should be better next year. Murphy is going to be a stud. We have a good recruiting class coming in with Coffey being a guy who could be very good right away. All reasons why I'm cautiously optimistic about next season. I think we also need to see how the rest of this year plays out.
 

Regardless of whether a person thinks Richard should be fired, the truth is we have no permanent AD and therefore, no quality coach would ever agree to coming in as a new coach. For better or for worse, we will have to watch Richard coach our Gophers for this year and likely the next.
 

Gopher2017 said:
Oh, goodie, some want us to continue being OK with things the way they are. Then again, we are Minnesota Gopher fans so being cellar dwellers is habit for us. OK, I'll let things continue as is. Let me know when you tire of always being at the bottom of the Big Ten standings each season. At this rate, I'll give you 20 years.

You clearly aren't very bright because you continue to say I'm not giving you a solution but I have.

Yes, most of us knew this would be a rough season but most of you "let's be patient" folks seem to think Richard is a coach that can turn this program around. Well, if he is, he should be getting more from this squad than he is. A great coach would be able to get more from his team. It's not like these boys have never before played basketball.

Hiring Richard was an experiment more or less and it failed. In all seriousness, what is your over/under for how long we should give him to see if he's our savior?
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You are being very immature with your ranting on our coach. The time you have spent wallowing in your sorrow prior to the hiring of Pitino has nothing to do with how much time we should give him. In fact, we need to give it more time because we have been down so long. I hope coach Pitino is able to turn it around. He has made some learning mistakes by counting on certain players, but he deserves an honest shot at coaching the program.

If you thing creating a coaching merry-go-round will attract top coaches then you are an idiot. No sane coach would take on a program that is not willing to give them a chance to get his system on track.


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The 'he needs more time' folks sure like to name call. I learned in debate class why people do that...

The last two hires have been because of their names (Smith and Pitino) and with little success. Smith because he did so well at UK but it was clear early on his best was behind him and one could argue he won at UK using the previous coaches talent and Pitino because of his father.

Fine, you guys win. You guys can mock me as well as the others who believe he isn't our guy when Pitino takes us to the next level (upper Big Ten finish, Big Ten Conference winner, Big Ten Tournament champs, consistent runs in the NCAA tournament - doesn't have to be all but at least one of the four).

I'll be impatiently waiting.
 




Gopher2017 said:
The 'he needs more time' folks sure like to name call. I learned in debate class why people do that...

The last two hires have been because of their names (Smith and Pitino) and with little success. Smith because he did so well at UK but it was clear early on his best was behind him and one could argue he won at UK using the previous coaches talent and Pitino because of his father.

Fine, you guys win. You guys can mock me as well as the others who believe he isn't our guy when Pitino takes us to the next level (upper Big Ten finish, Big Ten Conference winner, Big Ten Tournament champs, consistent runs in the NCAA tournament - doesn't have to be all but at least one of the four).

I'll be impatiently waiting.
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Ha, what? The hires of Smith and Pitino could hardly be more dissimilar. One is one of the more successful college basketball coaches of the past two decades and the other should be coaching in the Sun Belt or as an assistant somewhere.
 

Gopher2017 said:
The 'he needs more time' folks sure like to name call. I learned in debate class why people do that...

The last two hires have been because of their names (Smith and Pitino) and with little success. Smith because he did so well at UK but it was clear early on his best was behind him and one could argue he won at UK using the previous coaches talent and Pitino because of his father.

Fine, you guys win. You guys can mock me as well as the others who believe he isn't our guy when Pitino takes us to the next level (upper Big Ten finish, Big Ten Conference winner, Big Ten Tournament champs, consistent runs in the NCAA tournament - doesn't have to be all but at least one of the four).

I'll be impatiently waiting.
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What is your solution? Should we fire Pitino after this season and risk losing our best recruiting class in over a half decade and possibly guys like Murphy and Mason?

Recruiting is a big part of the equation and Pitino's recruiting classes gotten better each year he has been at Minnesota.

Richard's first year here and his stint at FIU at least shows he has the ability to coach.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Ha, what? The hires of Smith and Pitino could hardly be more dissimilar. One is one of the more successful college basketball coaches of the past two decades and the other should be coaching in the Sun Belt or as an assistant somewhere.
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The point was that Smith didn't have much (any?) success while here.
 

Gopher2017 said:
The point was that Smith didn't have much (any?) success while here.
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Also incorrect. He had the most successful season for Minnesota basketball in 23 years. He took Minnesota to 3 Tournaments in 6 years, which had never been done before. He didn't have success by Kentucky standards, but you'll be waiting a few lifetimes if that's your standard for the Gophers.
 

The biggest mistake he made was not replacing McHale with another high caliber assistant. Moving all of the levels up one has cost him.

The roster is young, we will be OK.

The administration will keep him, but needs to push him to hire an experienced top assistant.


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He has to be given next year. If he can not finish top 5 even once in 4 years nor make the NCAA then he must go. First you must hire the only great AD in school history
 

Gopher2017 said:
The 'he needs more time' folks sure like to name call. I learned in debate class why people do that...

The last two hires have been because of their names (Smith and Pitino) and with little success. Smith because he did so well at UK but it was clear early on his best was behind him and one could argue he won at UK using the previous coaches talent and Pitino because of his father.

Fine, you guys win. You guys can mock me as well as the others who believe he isn't our guy when Pitino takes us to the next level (upper Big Ten finish, Big Ten Conference winner, Big Ten Tournament champs, consistent runs in the NCAA tournament - doesn't have to be all but at least one of the four).

I'll be impatiently waiting.
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You seem to only read what you want to read. I haven't seen a lot of people saying they are certain he is going to be a great coach or that he should be given a never ending contract. Most are skeptical but also think he should be given another year because a) we have two transfers sitting out and a very good recruiting class coming in, and b) because we don't have an AD. It's not impossible to do an extensive coaching search and hire without an AD but it is difficult.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Most are skeptical but also think he should be given another year because a) we have two transfers sitting out and a very good recruiting class coming in, and b) because we don't have an AD. It's not impossible to do an extensive coaching search and hire without an AD but it is difficult.
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Seem's like this would be the only reasonable thing to do, if they end up only winning one or two B1G games this year it will be interesting to see how things shake out.
 

If we fire RP right now year with no full time AD in place, and an earnest coaching search not even started, the chances of Murphy, Mason, Coffey, Lynch all being here next year are next to zero and that is the best talent we've had to put on the court in a long time. It MIGHT get you a head start on a rebuilding process by a few months but probably not. Realistically the best coaching candidates we could hope for will reveal themselves at small colleges towards the end of the season when it really matters and if RP lays an egg in the big ten season you can announce his firing and someone elses hiring in a short enough period of time that you MIGHT keep your team and recruits. If RP shows some signs of life in the B1G season you can keep him and pretend that replacing him never crossed your mind. That's why people are saying be patient. There is no value on pulling the trigger on Pitino right now. Pretty good chance he'll solidify what kind of coach he is in the next few months. IMO 0-3 wins, i would be solid on letting him go, 9+ wins I'd be solid on letting him stay and anywhere in between you would have some decisions to make.
 

Richard should not be fired regardless of how bad this season goes. He should get another year. No decision will be made without a permanent AD anyway. If next season shows little progress, he will be gone.

I was never enamored with his hire but I also want to give him the fullest chance and be proven wrong. It's alright to be angry with how things are going.

If someone criticizes him, that's alright. I tire of those who defend him to the bitter end. I'm tired of hearing Tubby be blamed for what is going on now.

In the same sense, I believe that he also needs to be given this and next season.


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Lifetime Contract

The idea that Pitino might be fired after this season barring a scandal is highly unlikely. I'm not going to look it up but Teague extended his contract to 6 years I'm pretty sure? I complained loudly and was told by all it was necessary to keep him from moving, to let recruits know he had the backing of administration etc.

There was no need to extend his contract and give him a raise. He can coach. He can't manage a roster and I'd definitely agree it seems he needed a better assistant to replace McHale. But you can't have 3 scholarships unavailable voluntarily at the same time.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Also incorrect. He had the most successful season for Minnesota basketball in 23 years. He took Minnesota to 3 Tournaments in 6 years, which had never been done before. He didn't have success by Kentucky standards, but you'll be waiting a few lifetimes if that's your standard for the Gophers.
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Only correct because of the vacated seasons. Even though they no longer 'count' I still remember watching Clem Haskins lead the Gophers to 4 NCAA tournaments in 6 years including the Final Four.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Only correct because of the vacated seasons. Even though they no longer 'count' I still remember watching Clem Haskins lead the Gophers to 4 NCAA tournaments in 6 years including the Final Four.
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Right, so correct. Thanks. "Accomplishments" gained via cheating aren't worth celebrating or remembering. Also, the NCAA took those "accomplishments" away, so they never happened on paper. Good talk.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Right, so correct. Thanks. "Accomplishments" gained via cheating aren't worth celebrating or remembering. Also, the NCAA took those "accomplishments" away, so they never happened on paper. Good talk.
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It's all relative but I sure don't see the Tar Heel fans discounting the last twenty years one bit.
 

jovs said:
It's all relative but I sure don't see the Tar Heel fans discounting the last twenty years one bit.
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They haven't been vacated....yet. And knowing the NCAA, they probably will never be vacated.
 

Ski U Mah Gopher said:
They haven't been vacated....yet. And knowing the NCAA, they probably will never be vacated.
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Oh right, that makes a huge difference on how you perceive accomplishments because we know all things are equal.
 

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