LETS GET REAL, RACE MATTERS IN THIS SITUATION

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This whole topic is like "Crying Wolf." To me it waters down REAL claims of racism. This kind of post given the Royce White situation is counterproductive.
 

Brew_recruit said:
Mods stop being so scared to have controversy. Lets have an open discussion about how much different the whole Royce situation would be handled differently if he wasn't an outspoken black athlete.
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This is almost as stupid as Art's post not there yet though!!!!!
 

I never said the only reason he was charged was becasue he was black or that he is only in trouble becasue he is black,

I AM SAYING HE IS GETTING TREATED BY FANS AND THE MEDIA WORSE BECAUSE HE IS AN OUTSPOKEN BLACK ATHLETE!!!!!!!!
 

Brew_recruit said:
I never said the only reason he was charged was becasue he was black or that he is only in trouble becasue he is black,

I AM SAYING HE IS GETTING TREATED BY FANS AND THE MEDIA WORSE BECAUSE HE IS AN OUTSPOKEN BLACK ATHLETE!!!!!!!!
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I GOT IT!

You're not saying ... you're just saying ...
 


When posters yell with caps lock and expecially bold caps lock, I ignore and have another cold beer, spill beer from laughing, light a cigarette, shake my head, and then go crap. Feels better. :)
 

Brew_recruit said:
I never said the only reason he was charged was becasue he was black or that he is only in trouble becasue he is black,

I AM SAYING HE IS GETTING TREATED BY FANS AND THE MEDIA WORSE BECAUSE HE IS AN OUTSPOKEN BLACK ATHLETE!!!!!!!!
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AND YOU'RE STILL A MASSIVE FOOL!!!!
 


Brew_recruit said:
I never said the only reason he was charged was becasue he was black or that he is only in trouble becasue he is black,

I AM SAYING HE IS GETTING TREATED BY FANS AND THE MEDIA WORSE BECAUSE HE IS AN OUTSPOKEN BLACK ATHLETE!!!!!!!!
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I'm going to copy and paste my post to your other absurd posting in a different thread:

My first reaction to your post was, "You've got to be kidding me!" But I remember you're other lame posts, so it does not surprise me. Someday it really will be great when Martin Luther King's dream of judging people by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin comes to fruition. Sadly, there are still so many who have to play the victimized race card even when unwarranted.:mad:

By always playing this card, you completely cheapen it, because when there actually is real racism, it loses its impact because the word has been used so often, it's lost it's impact. Read the story: "The boy who cried wolf."

ANY (black, white, purple, polka-dot) 5 star recruit that had come to the Gophers and was arrested for robbery and assault would have been huge news. Imagine transporting Kevin McHale 35 years into the future to today, assume he was a 5-star recruit out of Hibbing. Heck yea, it would have also been a HUGE story. Good grief.:rolleyes:
 




Brew_recruit said:
Its the same reason that it was easy to hate on the U (Miami Football)...
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I'm ignoring the reach on the racist argument and making the point that the cute little school in Miami is not "the U" no matter how often they try to say it is.
 

Donovan said:
I'm going to copy and paste my post to your other absurd posting in a different thread:

My first reaction to your post was, "You've got to be kidding me!" But I remember you're other lame posts, so it does not surprise me. Someday it really will be great when Martin Luther King's dream of judging people by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin comes to fruition. Sadly, there are still so many who have to play the victimized race card even when unwarranted.:mad:

By always playing this card, you completely cheapen it, because when there actually is real racism, it loses its impact because the word has been used so often, it's lost it's impact. Read the story: "The boy who cried wolf."

ANY (black, white, purple, polka-dot) 5 star recruit that had come to the Gophers and was arrested for robbery and assault would have been huge news. Imagine transporting Kevin McHale 35 years into the future to today, assume he was a 5-star recruit out of Hibbing. Heck yea, it would have also been a HUGE story. Good grief.:rolleyes:
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I didn't say it wouldn't be a big story if he was whte. What i said was he was being attacked by people and the media MORE becasue he was a outspoken black athlete. AI or the U football players is another example. Just look at the stories about royce besides the MOA, they are all hearsay and racist comments by readers.
 

Brew_recruit said:
I didn't say it wouldn't be a big story if he was whte. What i said was he was being attacked by people and the media MORE becasue he was a outspoken black athlete. AI or the U football players is another example. Just look at the stories about royce besides the MOA, they are all hearsay and racist comments by readers.
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Fool. The "media" is NOT a bunch of posters on a message board.

But I will say that the Strib's message boards are filled with a bunch of uneducated morons (with a few decent ones thrown in here or there), half of whom are Badger or Hawkeye trolls looking to cause trouble.

When you talk "media", leave it to the media, not the fools trolling the comments section. As for Gopher fans, perhaps our comments here are more representative of the U of M. Have you felt that comments on the Gopher Hole have been overly unfair to Royce? Why or why not?
 



What has he ever been "Outspoken" about? I can't think of one thing. Plus, like most ignorant people you confuse color with class. He's being judged for his low class actions, not the color of his skin. The race card always a last resort when all facts and logic have failed you (Like in your case) and I don't appreciate you bringing his racism and divisiveness to this forum. Go be racist somewhere else.
 

cncmin said:
Fool. The "media" is NOT a bunch of posters on a message board.

But I will say that the Strib's message boards are filled with a bunch of uneducated morons (with a few decent ones thrown in here or there), half of whom are Badger or Hawkeye trolls looking to cause trouble.

When you talk "media", leave it to the media, not the fools trolling the comments section. As for Gopher fans, perhaps our comments here are more representative of the U of M. Have you felt that comments on the Gopher Hole have been overly unfair to Royce? Why or why not?
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I think the criticisms of someone who shoplifts when they have scholarship money is very just. But I do think that since royce has tattoos and is an outspoken black athlete some posters on here are way harder on him and resort to using black stereotypes against him. Go and look back at comments by some posters on here.
 

Brew_recruit = Not worthy of anymore discussion.

Enough already. :confused:
 

Black athletes are judge on a different standard and with a different criteria than their white counterparts by a great many people in this country. I don't know how anyone can deny this. How many times have you seen a black athlete referred to as a thug or "ghetto" when they say something that isn't acceptable or commit a transgression.

In baseball and hockey, two sports not dominated by the black athlete, fights are a common occurrence (and in hockey it's actually encouraged to an extent and there is some level of expectation of it happening at any given game) but how many times do you see baseball or hockey players labeled "thugs". Contrast that with the NBA, with it's dominant African-American makeup, and you'll see an entirely different view when a fight breaks out between players.

Hardly anyone raises any sort of objections when a baseball player (who are predominantly white in this country) out of high school decides to sign a pro contract. But a young black athlete who wants to pursue a lucrative NBA contract? Hell is raised about the sanctity of the college game or how one and done players somehow decrease the prestige of CBB. It really is foolish to pretend no double standards exist in regards to race in the athletic world.
 

The Truth said:
Black athletes are judge on a different standard and with a different criteria than their white counterparts by a great many people in this country. I don't know how anyone can deny this. How many times have you seen a black athlete referred to as a thug or "ghetto" when they say something that isn't acceptable or commit a transgression.

In baseball and hockey, two sports not dominated by the black athlete, fights are a common occurrence (and in hockey it's actually encouraged to an extent and there is some level of expectation of it happening at any given game) but how many times do you see baseball or hockey players labeled "thugs". Contrast that with the NBA, with it's dominant African-American makeup, and you'll see an entirely different view when a fight breaks out between players.

Hardly anyone raises any sort of objections when a baseball player (who are predominantly white in this country) out of high school decides to sign a pro contract. But a young black athlete who wants to pursue a lucrative NBA contract? Hell is raised about the sanctity of the college game or how one and done players somehow decrease the prestige of CBB. It really is foolish to pretend no double standards exist in regards to race in the athletic world.
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Obviously you have never followed hockey. The term "thug" is used all the time. It is common knowledge that the entire UND hockey team and their coach are referred to as thugs. And FYI, the majority of their team are white Canucks.
 

The Truth said:
Black athletes are judge on a different standard and with a different criteria than their white counterparts by a great many people in this country. I don't know how anyone can deny this. How many times have you seen a black athlete referred to as a thug or "ghetto" when they say something that isn't acceptable or commit a transgression.
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While I fully realize that there are racists here in Minnesota and likely on this board, that's not the crux of the disagreement here. Here we have a couple of posters who are saying that the criticism of Royce White is racially based:
  • "how much different the whole Royce situation would be handled differently if he wasn't an outspoken black athlete"
    [*] a significant segment of Royce's detractors view him not as a troubled athlete, but as a trouble 'black' athlete.
As I said, I'm sure that some posters here are racist and critical of White -- but that's not the equivalent of all of White's critics are racists. (It's the logical fallacy of Affirming the Consequent: A racist would criticize Royce White. Therefore, any critic of Royce White is a racist.)


Hardly anyone raises any sort of objections when a baseball player (who are predominantly white in this country) out of high school decides to sign a pro contract. But a young black athlete who wants to pursue a lucrative NBA contract? Hell is raised about the sanctity of the college game or how one and done players somehow decrease the prestige of CBB. It really is foolish to pretend no double standards exist in regards to race in the athletic world.
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Yet interestingly, there was huge furor over Kris Humphries and Rick Rickert leaving the U of M early and neither of whom is black.
 


If you honestly think the word "thug" (and I'm more familiar with the label "goon" when it comes to hockey fwiw's) has the same connotation and context when used to describe a white hockey player as it does when describing a black athlete (in particular basketball) I feel you're doing some extreme mental gymnastics.

I'm not even particularly referring to the White situation in my comments because I think this entire episode has more to do with just race. But I do notice that when any controversial situation involving black athletes pop up there seems to be a rush to announce that it isn't about race when, more often than not, race is at least a component.

You can single out any white athlete in basketball who turned pro early and document the fan outrage and uproar (which would also be true if the athlete were of color) over his decision but where the disconnect happens is when you don't factor in that these rules affect African-Americans disproportionately compared to the rest of the population due to the racial makeup of the NFL and the NBA. Sharecropping wasn't racist either in terms of its structure and its operation (there were poor, white sharecroppers too after all) but in practice it disproportionately affected African-Americans negatively compared to the rest of the population thereby making it a racist and discriminatory practice that held down an entire segment of the American population based upon skin color. The decision of a Kris Humphries or a Cole Aldrich means little to nothing in the grand scheme of things. You won't see national writers or people up in arms about Cole Aldrich abusing the college game or how CBB is a farce and they didn't belong in school anyway. But wait until John Wall declares for the draft.

There is no national outrage or debate when it comes to baseball or hockey. Tens of thousands of kids are drafted each year or quietly enter college for three years of athletic servitude before they're allowed to reenter the Draft. There is no cause for alarm, no cases to be made and no victims that I can see compared to the way people launch into these grand proselytizing tirades in the negative over a John Wall or a Carmello Anthony.
 

OT Kris Humphries Race

Just curious:

How many people on this board actually know that Kris Humphries is a black athlete?

(Or multiracial for those who take the Tiger Woods approach to racial identity.)
 



The Truth said:
Black athletes are judge on a different standard and with a different criteria than their white counterparts by a great many people in this country. I don't know how anyone can deny this. How many times have you seen a black athlete referred to as a thug or "ghetto" when they say something that isn't acceptable or commit a transgression.
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You've completely confused class with race here. Saying "I hate Bill Cosby because he's black skinned" is racist. Saying "Randy Moss is Ghetto" is cultural or class related. Common mistake regarding race/class.
 

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