kirksey tweets about call from coach

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Costa Rican Gopher said:
Tell me about the different rules for different people? Wasn't the Civil Rights movement about equality?
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It's all about historical context. To complain about the inequality of using that word, makes you sound almost jealous that you cannot use it. I agree that the word is offensive coming from anyone's mouth, and if I were black I would still not use it. It's ignorant though to not see and admit the difference between a white and a black person using it. If you want someone to blame for the inequality, blame our forefathers who perpetrated one the most horrendous institutions in world history. Or, you could just put your money where your mouth is, expose yourself for what you are, use the word yourself and deal with the consequences.
 

GopherHomer said:
It's all about historical context. To complain about the inequality of using that word, makes you sound almost jealous that you cannot use it. I agree that the word is offensive coming from anyone's mouth, and if I were black I would still not use it. It's ignorant though to not see and admit the difference between a white and a black person using it. If you want someone to blame for the inequality, blame our forefathers who perpetrated one the most horrendous institutions in world history. Or, you could just put your money where your mouth is, expose yourself for what you are, use the word yourself and deal with the consequences.
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Better yet why not blame humanity since slavery has been around for thousands of years.
 

Why is it assumed my forefathers perpetrated slavery? What if I am a direct descendant of John Brown?
 

I don't get what people get so bent out of shape about with all of this.

It's a free country, if you want to say it go ahead and say it. You know that by you saying that word you will offend a certain percentage of people. But it's a free country, you're allowed to say it and they are allowed to be offended.

Now, here is the rub, african americans are also allowed to say the word and not be offended by other african americans saying the word AND you are free to be offended by that perceived double standard.

Like in anything in life, different things offend different people. For me, I am just mostly concerned with not offending people for no reason. I wouldn't gain anything out of saying the word, so why would I need to get into an argument over a perceived double standard with the grand prize being the "permission" to say the word. I think it's a little bit of a double standard, but I also know in life that you can make fat jokes to fat men but most people don't make them to overweight women. There are plenty of examples of things that have this perceived double standard. But it all boils down to this, if you want to say the word that bad, then say it. But, you have to keep in mind that it will (fairly or not) offend people and you will be judged by saying it. Problem solved right?
 

Any person has the right to say anything they want, but not at the expense of others.
 


Replacement Gopher said:
Why is it assumed my forefathers perpetrated slavery? What if I am a direct descendant of John Brown?
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Most people who are saying "our forefathers" mean it in the sense of the word of being forefathers to our country, not our direct ancestors. The "forefathers" of the country actually make up a tiny percentage of the actual forefathers of americans. The forefathers weren't the forefathers of most Irish, German, Polish, Chinese, Hispanic, African American, etc. peoples who came after the birth of our country.

But your point is right when they talk about the forefathers like they shared a common ethos on anything (religion, slavery, government, etc.).
 

Dr.Don said:
Any person has the right to say anything they want, but not at the expense of others.
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That's just the thing Dr. Don, anyone can say whatever they want even at the expense of others. However, the rest of us can judge them and think they are an ahole for doing that. They won't get arrested for saying hurtful things.
 

Unregistered User said:
Seriously? Art does not understand that there are different rules for different people regarding that word, and is lauded as if he just made the most profound observation at the Algonquin Round Table.
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Equality will only occur when EVERYONE is held to the same standards. Equal but seperate only perpetuates a myth.

How bout them 'Fighting Irish'.:rolleyes:
 

I'll be really curious to see what policies Coach Kill installs regarding social media. I believe I read on this boaed that he had banned his players at NIU from using Twitter (I don't know about Facebook?), but even if you wanted to do that, how could you effectively enforce it? I mean what's to prevent players from being sneaky about it and just doing it behind your back?
 



Seany said:
I'll be really curious to see what policies Coach Kill installs regarding social media. I believe I read on this boaed that he had banned his players at NIU from using Twitter (I don't know about Facebook?), but even if you wanted to do that, how could you effectively enforce it? I mean what's to prevent players from being sneaky about it and just doing it behind your back?
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The whole point of social media is that people know it is you talking. It makes the tweeter feel important.
 

Seany said:
I'll be really curious to see what policies Coach Kill installs regarding social media. I believe I read on this boaed that he had banned his players at NIU from using Twitter (I don't know about Facebook?), but even if you wanted to do that, how could you effectively enforce it? I mean what's to prevent players from being sneaky about it and just doing it behind your back?
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Integrity, I hope.
 

Seany said:
I'll be really curious to see what policies Coach Kill installs regarding social media. I believe I read on this boaed that he had banned his players at NIU from using Twitter (I don't know about Facebook?), but even if you wanted to do that, how could you effectively enforce it? I mean what's to prevent players from being sneaky about it and just doing it behind your back?
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As John Wooden once said to Bill Walton(and others) 'I can't tell you how long to wear your hair, but I can tell you who plays and who doesn't play'.
 

RodentRampage said:
Tweeting isn't stupid, it's just a method of communication. Stupid tweets are stupid though. If you wouldn't want it included in your biography, maybe you don't want to tweet it. Or put it any place it can come back. People treat tweeting like talking, but speech goes away after it is spoken.
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I'm pretty sure tweeting is stupid.
 



I just think a ban on it would be highly difficult and possibly painful to enforce, because it seems like so many young (and not so young) people are truly addicted to that whole form of communication anymore. I'd love to think that personal integrity would demand that they respect their coach's wish if he were to ban them from using social media, even if they thought they could get away with it, however the nature of that type of addiction makes me have to question whether they'd actually do that.

And I speak here from at least some experience, as I dated a girl who was so addicted to Facebook that I just had to stop. I mean she would spend almost every free moment of her life on Facebook, to the point where that about drove me insane. The inanity of it, the vapidity, the stupidity and the monumental waste of time which can never be recovered. I'd get into fights with her regarding her Facebook addiction, and eventually I just said, "Ya know what? F*ck it.", and left.
 

And here I always thought the N word meant Norwegian. You learn something new everyday.

Go Gopher !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 



What I find remarkable is that this guy actually really thinks it's okay to publicly communicate a phrase like "BITCH NIGGAS AND SNITCHES" when he is a visible and important member of DI football team. What ever happened to representing your university, much less pondering what you are going to say before you say it?
 

GopherHomer said:
It's all about historical context. To complain about the inequality of using that word, makes you sound almost jealous that you cannot use it. I agree that the word is offensive coming from anyone's mouth, and if I were black I would still not use it. It's ignorant though to not see and admit the difference between a white and a black person using it. If you want someone to blame for the inequality, blame our forefathers who perpetrated one the most horrendous institutions in world history. Or, you could just put your money where your mouth is, expose yourself for what you are, use the word yourself and deal with the consequences.
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I'm "jealous" that I can't use the "N'" word & should expose myself for "what I really am", lol. Maybe I just have higher standards for young black men than you & expect to see a modicum of self respect shown? I also disapprove of calling young black women "bitches" & "ho's", glamorizing prison, etc. & think people who lower the bar by making excuses for this type of language & behavior are unintentionally hurting young black people.

As for blaming our forefathers for "perpetrating one of the most horrendous institutions in world history"...food for thought: African slavery was in existence since the beginning of recorded history, we didn't invent it, Africans did. Every country in Western Europe was practicing "African slavery" for hundreds of years prior to the United States' entering the market. Our forefathers might in fact, be owed a debt of gratitude for quickly realizing how wrong it was & ending "African slavery". Let that sink in.....Our forefathers ENDED the centuries old practice of African slavery! Literally millions of our white forefathers died fighting to end African slavery. Then, after we abolished slavery every single European country followed suit & abolished the practice as well. Perhaps that's something to be proud of, rather than ashamed of?
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
Our forefathers ENDED the centuries old practice of African slavery! Literally millions of our white forefathers died fighting to end African slavery. Then, after we abolished slavery every single European country followed suit & abolished the practice as well. Perhaps that's something to be proud of, rather than ashamed of?
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I don't much care about this thread but just to have the correct information out there, every single European country did not follow suit & abolish the practice AFTER the US. For example, The Slavery Abolition Act in England outlawed Slavery in 1833.
 

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