Kill reminds me of Mason

[Mustang Mountain Man]

I hope recruits don't look at this Beavis and Butthead routine.

 

[RodentRampage]

Just how highly regarded a recruiting class can you expect with a new coach for a team that only won three games the previous year and hasn't won eight games since 2003.

 

[FireCosgroveGuy]

I actually think this thread has some legitimacy and I don't think it's neccesarily a flaming thread.

I think the U needs a coach like Mason if it is going to be succesful. What I mean by that is that we need to hire a ready-made coach who has a system and just transfers that system to MN. In that respect, I do believe that Coach Kill and Mason are similar.

So in style, I do agree that there are similarities.

However, where Mason had trouble is where Kill is going to have to have success. Kill is going to have to be a better ambassador for the program (publicity, not talking down to the public, not openly asking for tOSU job, etc.). He is going to have to eventually have to get over the mediocore hump (every now and then). Like Mason, if he can get you to mediocore, he deserves a long leash, but like Mason, if we never get over that hump, he needs to go.

Bob, it certainly wasn't intended to be a flame, more of a question of whether we are seeing a few red flags.

I liked Mason, he brought the program back to at least respectability, which is far more than the other coaches had done. My big concern that I'll voice again was getting recruits that are only offered by low level programs, not other solid Big Ten or D1 schools.

Beating out Western Michigan and Temple for recruits is not a good sign IMO and that was typical of Mason's recruits. Signing mediocre recruits will only lead to mediocrity IMO. There is no way you can beat Michigan, Nebraska, Wisconsin, etc with mediocre players, no matter how much you 'coach them up'.

For whatever reason the homers on this site are very sensitive and anyone that ever posts an opinion that isn't roses and sunshine is a moron worth stomping on. It has been that way for quite some time, not sure why.

 

[FireCosgroveGuy]

There are still lots of you who follow the stars, and that is okay. Tough to be a premier helmet school without getting 4- and 5-star athletes.

And yes it's true, Brew brought in a more highly rated class than any of the aforementioned coaches. His 2008-2010 classes were ranked 17, 39 and 50+ by Rivals. He technically out-recruited Bucky who's classes were ranked 41, 43 and also 50+. But what did it get him?

My point is Brett has never had a class higher ranked than 33 (2006) but he manages to bring in athletes that fit his system. I am confident Kill can do the same.

I don't think stars are all that, just a general indicator of what others think of a kid.

How many players did Wisconsin sign that only had offers to Temple, Western Michigan, etc? I have no idea but I suspect it isn't that high.

 

[6 Nov 1999]

1999 Defense

Yes, it was excellent, if he could have come close to that in later years, maybe just twice, I think we could have gone to the Rose Bowl. He did as much with a team that had one strength, running the football, as one can do. Unfortunately, both teams next door figured out how to get enough dfensive players to compete, without much more local talent than we have.
My opinion is they were better at projecting defensive players into new postions, where we recruited kids to mostly play what they played in H S..
That may not be the answer, but those two states do not produce a lot of four star defenders and they have fielded good defenses, while we have not.

That 1999 defense was great. To add to what imthewalrus was saying, let's not forget Dyron Russ, John Schlecht, Ben Mezera, Jon Michals, Sean Hoffman, Luke Braaten, Jimmy Wyrick, Trevis Graham, Matt Anderle, Delvin Jones, Clorenzo Griffin and the others on defense. My apologies to the rest of the 1999 defense I neglected to mention. Glen coached them up, but Jim Wacker recruited most of them. God bless Jim, he was such a decent man who took a lot of undeserved abuse from the "bashers" as imthewalrus would call them.

 

[Formo]

I'll stop saying Mason was the best coach we've had in the last 40 years when a better one comes around. I hope Kill is that guy, but he's proved nothing yet in the B10. He gets the same chance the rest of the coaches did. We all want a winner here, but using someone's record at SIU versus someone coaching in the Big 12 is disingenuous. But again, it doesn't matter. What matters is that Kill succeeds here with our team. I could care less about previous records. I sure hope he's better than Mason was, since he is so reviled by some here. The proof will be in the pudding.

I'm not knockin' Mason's record here in Minny. Don't mistake my posts for being anti-Mason.

Discrediting a coach's record, no matter the conference or level of competition (especially since playing D2 level competition with D2 level talent is comparable with playing Big12 level competition with Big12 level talent), is what's really disingenuous.

 

[6 Nov 1999]

coming up, I don't think it will be me who has to "try harder" dopodoll... Of course, that Big Ten schedule is pretty tame compared to an NIU conference schedule, isn't that right dopodoll?????????????????????

You think Coach Kill proved much by coaching 3 seasons at NIU???? Compared to TCU on probation??????????????????? With ALL those scholarship losses along with all the other ways the NCAA has to kill a program? Wow dopodoll...just...WOW! IF you want to call SIU's FCS status (formerly 1aa) big time...be my guest dopodoll...the same as TCU though????? Come on dopodoll, don't try to slide by with that kind of crap...or just let it slide...it really doesn't matter.

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I want a LOT of Big Ten wins in 2011!!!!! Do you dopodoll?????????????????????????

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That is what you are trying too hard to infer isn't it dopodoll? You want us all to know that Coach Kill has faced so MANY big time challenges in his 3 years of MAC competition that his entire record can be compared to a coach who has coached at TCU for a bunch of years on probation?

Since, in your mind, Coach Kill has already proven ALL there is to prove after his 3 years in the top division of college football in the MAC Conference, you claim that there are NO questions of how he will do in Big Ten play. Ok dopodoll.

So, dopodoll: how many Big Ten games will Coach Kill win in 2011????? You tell us. And, try really hard to get this right dopodoll... Any losses he gets in Big Ten play will go right on badger joel macturi's head. bjm doesn't have a very good Big Ten won/loss record with the football coaches he has hired...OR even with the basketball coaches he has hired. In fact, so far he was 6-21 with that brewster character and 2-3 with his mid-season replacement for the fired-mid-season-failed-bought-out-brewster clown. bjm really can't afford too many more Big Ten losses with a football...OR basketball coachs that he has hired...can he dopodoll? Do you believe that bjm is 35-43 in Big Ten play with the hoops coaches he has hired for Men's Basketball. bjm has pretty much failed in his management and handling of the totally critical revenue raising sports that the PAYING sports fans support by spending a LOT of money on seasons tickets every year. bjm has really sucked with the revenue generating sports hasn't he dopodoll...

Good luck to Coach Kill! I'm very happy for you that you think he is a much more proven coach than Coach Wacker was. That must mean that you believe Big Ten competition will be a breeze for Coach Kill and that we all need to EXPECT a hell of a lot of Big Ten wins right away from Coach Kill. Ok dopodoll...the Coach had better come through in 2011! I LOVE it! More Big Ten wins NOW! Don't just expect it...DEMAND it! dopodoll says 3 years at NIU will guarantee it!

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Wait! You forgot to mention the decline, depreciation, and seeming implosion of our once proud Men's Hockey over the last 5 seasons.

 

[6 Nov 1999]

Michigan 20 - Minnesota 23

more ways not like Mason

4- no obvious obsession with tooth whiteners which are known to damage a head coaches ability to recruit defense

5- never noted on TV to have that helpless befuddled look that Mason mastered during epic second half collapses in second tier bowl games or against Michigan

6- Kill looks like a guy you would like to have lunch with, not like the guy you hated in high school

Yeah, I guess you had to work the weekend of 8 October 2005 and didn't make it to Ann Arbor.