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tjgopher said:
So, based on Jerry's only request to have 8 home games, his AD paid $800K to get out of the UNC game to schedule another ROAD game?? Makes sense. That kind of makes his boss look bad. Not the nicest thing to do to his boss, given the fact of the matter is his boss took quite a bullet for him in cancelling that UNC series (and we all know Kill wanted it cancelled).
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We know that Kill wanted it canceled, because Norwood has said exactly that in his radio interviews. Norwood's not taking any bullets. Everyone knows the AD is making the schedule with the coaches desire in mind. You don't get to pick your opponents as your #1 choice might not want to play you, but there is no doubt that Norwood knows what type of team Jerry wants on the schedule.
 


AO54 said:
We know that Kill wanted it canceled, because Norwood has said exactly that in his radio interviews. Norwood's not taking any bullets. Everyone knows the AD is making the schedule with the coaches desire in mind. You don't get to pick your opponents as your #1 choice might not want to play you, but there is no doubt that Norwood knows what type of team Jerry wants on the schedule.
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You might want to inform the head football of that then. He flat out claimed today that he has NO CONTROL over the schedule and that his ONLY request was 8 home games.

We can certainly agree then that Jerry was fibbing a little today?
 

tjgopher said:
You might want to inform the head football of that then. He flat out claimed today that he has NO CONTROL over the schedule and that his ONLY request was 8 home games.

We can certainly agree then that Jerry was fibbing a little today?
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Of course he was, but he's not required to give us all information about every single topic. The fans and media are beating a dead horse when they should have just let it go by now.
 


jaymil said:
Of course he was, but he's not required to give us all information about every single topic. The fans and media are beating a dead horse when they should have just let it go by now.
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+1
 

jaymil said:
Of course he was, but he's not required to give us all information about every single topic. The fans and media are beating a dead horse when they should have just let it go by now.
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Keep hearing that theme about Kill not being required to give out information to media and fans. You are of course 100% right in saying that, because he can give whatever information he chooses to, but doesn't mean the fans and especially the media are not going to ask the questions.

As for beating a dead horse, Kill's comments today actually make this more of a story again because based on his comment (that was posted in the recap, did not see the press conference broadcast yet) he had nothing to do with removing North Carolina from the schedule because he doesn't have any control over it. At the same time Teauge has claimed that the change was made at Kill's request. So now we have the AD saying one thing and the head coach saying something different.
 

Catechol said:


I don't get why Kill seems fixated on 8 home games. I believe only 3 teams got 8 home games last year, so it's not going to happen. And like this year when you play an FCS team and 2 teams that, by last year's final Sagarin rankings, are basically equivalent to FCS teams, that will not help you build excitement and attendance in your fan base. So the logic doesn't work out.
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Because starting in 2016 we are going to have 5 home conference games every other year. 5+3=8.

tjgopher said:
You might want to inform the head football of that then. He flat out claimed today that he has NO CONTROL over the schedule and that his ONLY request was 8 home games.

We can certainly agree then that Jerry was fibbing a little today?
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He doesn't have any control over the schedule. The B1G and his AD do, plus sometimes random chance. He can ask, but he may not receive.
 

highwayman said:
He doesn't have any control over the schedule. The B1G and his AD do, plus sometimes random chance. He can ask, but he may not receive.
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Exactly. Kill is in no position to demand jack squat. But nothing stops him from asking. He wanted to get the game canceled, but it was not his authority to do so. Teague backed him up, showing a little faith in him, but it's not like Kill just went to Teague and said "Get this game off now", and that was that.
 



MNVCGUY said:
he had nothing to do with removing North Carolina from the schedule
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He didn't say that.

We get it. You hate Kill. The message has been received. Can you find a different way to occupy your time here?
 


In order to learn more about the young man's knee injury and future status, I informed my preferred Internet search engine that I was a male that was curious about BBC. The results were a tad shocking. Note to self, turn Safe Search on.
 

The thing about the 8 home games, the FCS schools, and everything else that is associated with padding a record is that it has been done before at Minnesota. It's not Jerry Kill's fault, but Gopher fans have seen years of 4-0 starts against creampuffs followed by average/below average Big Ten seasons. It's not going to excite the fan base, much less get new fans interested in the Gophers to go 7-5, 8-4 with 4 wins over teams that nobody respects/wants to see play. That's not to say the formula of playing a bunch of cupcakes and sneaking in to a bowl for a year or two can't lead to big things, just that the process of trying to do it that way won't make Gopher football a more popular ticket in town.

Kansas State actually was playing Minnesota in addition to their conference schedule when they started their run in the mid 90's. Obviously, the Gophers were not very good, but those games were scheduled well in advance and it was a game against a Big Ten team. The more significant difference is Kansas State was winning big conference games while scheduling nothing but creampuffs in the late 90's and beyond when they were a national program. In just browsing the K State schedules during Snyder's first run, they seemed to play a little tougher non-conference schedule on average pre-breakthrough than they did post breakthrough. (Had Washington when they were very good followed by Minnesota who was very bad on their schedule followed by a number of years with no BCS teams in the non-conference seasons once 6-2 in the conference was a normal year for them)
 



eg (number) 9 said:

"...That's not to say the formula of playing a bunch of cupcakes and sneaking in to a bowl for a year or two can't lead to big things, just that the process of trying to do it that way won't make Gopher football a more popular ticket in town..."



Having too many losses won't make Gopher Football a more popular ticket in town...I'll guarantee it! Get some early wins and then win an invitation to a bowl game by winning some conference games and competing with some of the Conference teams.

Otherwise...NOTHING will make Gopher Football a more popular ticket in town...


It's too bad...but there is no other way to do it...
 

tjgopher said:
You might want to inform the head football of that then. He flat out claimed today that he has NO CONTROL over the schedule and that his ONLY request was 8 home games.

We can certainly agree then that Jerry was fibbing a little today?
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Kill was quoted a few weeks back on this same subject that he wanted 8 games and the intent was to get a home game when they canceled UNC. Teague obviously could not find a home game, so the next best thing was to sign a winnable road game.
 

Killjoy said:
Curious - Why would they do that?
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Schools usually use it as a guideline to wait until the end of the eligibility to file the waiver. They have to wait on the waiver if the player has already burned a redshirt. The process is quite extensive and they need a bunch of information like Medical Records, so on and so forth. Plus, the conferences only have two time a year when they review the applications, this happens during the winter months after the season and then during the late spring early summer. If the conference turns down the waiver the NCAA then acts as a appeals process.
 

IDFM said:
Schools usually use it as a guideline to wait until the end of the eligibility to file the waiver. They have to wait on the waiver if the player has already burned a redshirt. The process is quite extensive and they need a bunch of information like Medical Records, so on and so forth. Plus, the conferences only have two time a year when they review the applications, this happens during the winter months after the season and then during the late spring early summer. If the conference turns down the waiver the NCAA then acts as a appeals process.
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But he hasn't burned his red shirt so they will request it before next year.
 



tjgopher said:
At which JUCO did he redshirt?
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As far as I know, Coffeyville is the only one he went to. Did I miss something?

Now that I look around a little, he might not have redshirted. But if he didn't, the timeline doesn't work out, because he graduated HS in spring 2010 and was on the field for Coffeyville only in 2011. So if he didn't redshirt, he sat out a year of football (fall 2010), which would be pretty rare at this level - so I just assumed that he redshirted given the alternative.
 

I'm all screwed up. I could've sworn that he graduated HS in 2010, but it was actually 2011. So I messed this one up. Sorry, Killjoy, you were right, he didn't RS. My bad.
 

It's interesting how far they have come medically when comes to recovering from these injuries. When Daunte Culpepper tore his ACL, MCL, and PCL, a physical therapist I knew correctly said that he would never fully recover. This appears similar to BBC's injury (I'm not a doctor). Eight years later, we have pretty high hopes of Briean coming back.
 

EE_Gopher said:
It's interesting how far they have come medically when comes to recovering from these injuries. When Daunte Culpepper tore his ACL, MCL, and PCL, a physical therapist I knew correctly said that he would never fully recover. This appears similar to BBC's injury (I'm not a doctor). Eight years later, we have pretty high hopes of Briean coming back.
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You are right that the medical advancements are off the charts. That being said it is probably a little soon to spend too much time worrying about how many years of eligibility he has left because he is going to have a tough road to just get back to playing at a high level given that he tore 2 of the 3 and partial tore the third.

Guys like Adrian Peterson mess it up for everyone else because people look at him and how great he came back and forget that a lot of guys take far longer to really get back (Marcus Jones for example) to where they were pre-injury from a speed and agility standpoint.

Hopefully BBC will make a full recovery, but it won't surprise me if he still isn't ready to be a regular again until the 2015 season.
 

EG#9 said:
The thing about the 8 home games, the FCS schools, and everything else that is associated with padding a record is that it has been done before at Minnesota. It's not Jerry Kill's fault, but Gopher fans have seen years of 4-0 starts against creampuffs followed by average/below average Big Ten seasons. It's not going to excite the fan base, much less get new fans interested in the Gophers to go 7-5, 8-4 with 4 wins over teams that nobody respects/wants to see play. That's not to say the formula of playing a bunch of cupcakes and sneaking in to a bowl for a year or two can't lead to big things, just that the process of trying to do it that way won't make Gopher football a more popular ticket in town.

Kansas State actually was playing Minnesota in addition to their conference schedule when they started their run in the mid 90's. Obviously, the Gophers were not very good, but those games were scheduled well in advance and it was a game against a Big Ten team. The more significant difference is Kansas State was winning big conference games while scheduling nothing but creampuffs in the late 90's and beyond when they were a national program. In just browsing the K State schedules during Snyder's first run, they seemed to play a little tougher non-conference schedule on average pre-breakthrough than they did post breakthrough. (Had Washington when they were very good followed by Minnesota who was very bad on their schedule followed by a number of years with no BCS teams in the non-conference seasons once 6-2 in the conference was a normal year for them)
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Mason ruined this for the local fans. Had he not basically been satisfied with 6 or 7 win seasons nobody would really question the creampuff NC schedule. It doesn't do much for fans, but at least it can lead to a bowl game which ends up being a postseason NC game against another better opponent.
I expect Kill not to be satisfied with 6 or 7 win seasons, I can't see Kill and staff letting up on recruiting or being satisfied with sub par conference performances, that is why I'm ok with it right now. In year 10? Should Kill get there, i would expect a bigger opponent every year along with a few warmups, similar to what most B1G teams do, and what Brewster did with his schedules.
 

dpodoll68 said:
I'm all screwed up. I could've sworn that he graduated HS in 2010, but it was actually 2011. So I messed this one up. Sorry, Killjoy, you were right, he didn't RS. My bad.
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I think you deserve one screw up a year. Just don't let it happen again this year!;) I think you may have been thinking about De'Vondre Campbell. I believe he might have red shirted his first year in college. I tried to look it up but I couldn't find any conclusive information. The one thing I did find was when it was rumored that he was going to Kansas State the article said he would have three years to play three years.
 

Ole said:
Mason ruined this for the local fans. Had he not basically been satisfied with 6 or 7 win seasons nobody would really question the creampuff NC schedule. It doesn't do much for fans, but at least it can lead to a bowl game which ends up being a postseason NC game against another better opponent.
I expect Kill not to be satisfied with 6 or 7 win seasons, I can't see Kill and staff letting up on recruiting or being satisfied with sub par conference performances, that is why I'm ok with it right now. In year 10? Should Kill get there, i would expect a bigger opponent every year along with a few warmups, similar to what most B1G teams do, and what Brewster did with his schedules.
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Personally, I'm waiting for Coach Kill to get to a 7 win...8 win...10 win season before I'll put him in a class with Coach Mason. This conference is darn tough ole. Don't you realize that YET?

Now Coach Kill has the stadium on campus that HE can fill to capacity to make the home field a better advantage. Can't figure out why he hasn't been working the students harder to fill that student section. That's a little problematic going into his third season here. I can't expect too much in Conference play until Coach Kill can bust through that 3 game Conference Win barrier though. I fear though, unless Coach Kill can get to the 6 or 7 win seasons with an occasional 8 or 10 win mark that he won't be around for ten seasons the way that coach you are so willing to put down managed to stick around. So, be ok with six and 7 wins seasons. Personally, I think 6 & 7 win seasons keep a coach working pretty darn hard here at the U of M. When I look back over the past fifty to sixty years, there haven't been a LOT of seasons a whole lot better than that 6 or 7 season mark.

I totally back Coach Kill's efforts and should he NOT make the 10 year mark, this program will be in 2 to 5 win mode for a LONG time to come. IF we have to start all over from the Kill Era within the next 3 or 4 seasons, we will be right back at square one and THAT would be horrible. I hope that Coach Kill can achieve the 6-7 win threshold with an occasional 8 or 10 win season. That would be pretty darn good ole...
 

imthewalrus said:
Personally, I'm waiting for Coach Kill to get to a 7 win...8 win...10 win season before I'll put him in a class with Coach Mason. This conference is darn tough ole. Don't you realize that YET?
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This is very, very true. The conference is very difficult. As a matter of fact, it's so much more difficult now than when Mason was coach, it's almost impossible to compare the two tenures. First and foremost, it appears the Nebraska Cornhuskers will be on the schedule every year. That alone makes the difference monumental. Second, at least Mason could, for the most part, count on Northwestern and Indiana being much, much easier games than they are today. You could argue that it was much easier to beat Michigan State in Mason's days as well. Purdue and Penn State are probably the two teams that were arguably more difficult games during Mason's days than today, but who knows how often we'll see either of them on the schedule with the new division breakdowns? Wisconsin was definitely an easier draw in the Mason era than it has been since he retired.

But I'm sure we'll keep trying to compare the two anyway...
 

Oh Goodie - Another post by wren on the glorious Mason days! Boring!:blah::blah::blah:
 

Killjoy said:
I think you deserve one screw up a year. Just don't let it happen again this year!;) I think you may have been thinking about De'Vondre Campbell. I believe he might have red shirted his first year in college. I tried to look it up but I couldn't find any conclusive information. The one thing I did find was when it was rumored that he was going to Kansas State the article said he would have three years to play three years.
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You are correct, Campbell did redshirt his first year due to a concussion.
 

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Ogee Oglethorpe said:
This is very, very true. The conference is very difficult. As a matter of fact, it's so much more difficult now than when Mason was coach, it's almost impossible to compare the two tenures. First and foremost, it appears the Nebraska Cornhuskers will be on the schedule every year. That alone makes the difference monumental. Second, at least Mason could, for the most part, count on Northwestern and Indiana being much, much easier games than they are today. You could argue that it was much easier to beat Michigan State in Mason's days as well. Purdue and Penn State are probably the two teams that were arguably more difficult games during Mason's days than today, but who knows how often we'll see either of them on the schedule with the new division breakdowns? Wisconsin was definitely an easier draw in the Mason era than it has been since he retired.

But I'm sure we'll keep trying to compare the two anyway...
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Now, I will give you the addition of Nebraska made things tougher. However we probably play Ohio State a little less frequently and PSU is now operating with loss of scholarship, sanctions, etc. Northwestern had some pretty decent teams under Barnette and then Walker and wisky was winning Rosebowl games back then too. Iowa was tougher. Purdue with Drew B. at qb was a pretty fair football program. We are CONSTANTLY hearing how much the Big Ten (B1G) sucks these days. There were days when PSU was MIGHTY tough...and MSU as well. With the addition of Maryland and Rutgers, it will once again water things down and help create a larger bottom half of the conference. How long have you been watching Gopher Football. Maybe a LONG time...or,,, maybe you just don't recall the Big Ten from 20 years ago...15 years ago...10 years ago or even five years ago.

And oh yes, Coach Kill does have the beautiful TCF BANK STADIUM to recruit to. No more tractor pulls to compete with at the damn dome.

I'd say you have to say Big Ten Football has been and always will be Big Ten Football. Everyone says the Big Ten is really DOWN now and has been for the past five years or so. Even Michigan went thorugh that rich-rod phase. PSU went therough the Sandursky (sp?) hell. TOSU got busted. Don't try to tell me that things are so much harder now than they used to be. I'm not buying it...

The conference is tough enough now...just as it was tough enough then...
By the way ogee Oglethorpe: you brought up the points I quoted from you. I am merely responding to the points you presented. There would be MUCH room to go back in time and point out just how strong many of those Big Ten Programs were ten...twelve or fifteen years ago... I'm willing to say it was tough then and it is tough today.
 

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