Kill Announces Promotion of Anderson, Departure of Hammock

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gophergrad said:
I'm with Dpodoll on this one. There are waay too many sanctimonious pricks on here tonight wishing Benedict Arnold luck in beckyville.
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I hope we win the axe and chop his nuts off with it. Adios.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Aside from talking about that traitorous loser, the move to replace him is puzzling. Why wouldn't Kill slide Reeves over to RB coach and move Anderson up to TE coach, given that those have been their roles under Kill for pretty much forever?
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A lot of coaches like their guys to be able to coach multiple positions. I think if the Tressel who was at Hamline forever....if he brought in a new DL coach, he would immediately bring him over to the offensive side of the ball to broaden his knowledge and ability (I just use Hamline because I knew a specific example). But it is not that uncommon of a practice and occurs at many places.
 

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Is there any possibility this is a smoke screen and Coach Kill was not pleased with some aspect of
Hammocks work or attitude? And Hammock was encouraged to find a "better opportunity"?

The timing seems odd. I would think Hammock's resume could have gotten him a better opportunity as an offensive coordinator at a lesser school, rather than this move had he put himself on the market in November/December? I believe he is thought of as a top of the line recruiter? This seems very lateral to me. Wouldn't it be a much bigger resume bullet to turn the Gophers around than to either keep Wisconsin where they are at best (where he gets no credit) or they go down in flames and he suffers. Greater reward with the Gophers to me and very little risk.

I do agree he was more important to the Brewster "sales team" than to Kill's recruiting style.
 

imthewalrus said:
Good luck Coach. Based upon some of the reactions around here, it appears there are some people with real problems with rejection and abandonment who are acting out again. The dopamine drip award should be presented to dopodoll for his stroke-out over an assistant coach taking another job.

Can't take it when someone moves on along?

As I said: Good luck Coach. Thanks for trying here.

Check into that dopamine drip treatment dopodoll. You need to "let go..." ; 0 )
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Wow...I always thought that Hammock wouldn't have been your type of coach. He is a recruiter (first and foremost) and hasn't had much success as a position coach (our RBs have never exactly set the world on fire).

I think we will miss Hammock though, I just think he is a very talented recruiter. I can't say that I wish him the best because this whole thing feels a little sleazy to me. He knew the situation when he decided to stay on staff. If he had made the move after this season was over, i'd thank him for his time here and wish him well. I can't stand people who are not good for their word and Hammock really did break his word.

Maybe the timing is best for right now (rather than at the end of the season) because this new recruiting cycle hasn't started yet and we wouldn't have to worry about players he locked up jumping ship at the end of the season, nonetheless, he didn't leave this job under the right circumstances, in my opinion.
 

Hammock Leaving

Thomas Hammock leaving is a big blow to the recruiting efforts in Florida. Sources close to Hammock say working under Kill was like a B squad coach trying to coach at a varsity level. He also had difficulty working in the police state run by Operations Director Dan O'Brien. It is very unfortunate we lose a coach of his caliber.
 




You mean the same Dan O'Brien he has worked with for 4 years? And now, 2+ months after committing himself to Kill, NOW he decides that he can't work with O'Brien anymore? And he was just fine working with O'Brien 2 month ago? Please. That line will have to be sold somewhere else.

And you mean to tell me that someone ripped their old boss on their way out the door? I'm shocked!

And why did we need a 4th Hammock thread in the first dozen on the page?
 

yes, the same Dan O'Brien. You made the assumption that he enjoyed working for him under Brewster and your assumption is wrong. He enjoyed working for Brewster and the recruiting program he had. Kill did a great job recruiting 3 star players at Northern IL. It is a different ballgame recruiting 4 and 5 star players from states like Florida where every major team recruits. Players and coaches did not care for O'Brien under Brewster and they don't under Kill. It was a bad choice on Kill's part for such key position. Talk to anyone close to the program and they will tell you the same thing.
 



GophFan said:
yes, the same Dan O'Brien. You made the assumption that he enjoyed working for him under Brewster and your assumption is wrong. He enjoyed working for Brewster and the recruiting program he had. Kill did a great job recruiting 3 star players at Northern IL. It is a different ballgame recruiting 4 and 5 star players from states like Florida where every major team recruits. Players and coaches did not care for O'Brien under Brewster and they don't under Kill. It was a bad choice on Kill's part for such key position. Talk to anyone close to the program and they will tell you the same thing.
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I have read quotes from two of Kill's long time coaches (I forget who). They both said Kill is the most demanding person they ever worked for. Could that have been Hammock's real reason for leaving the team? Maybe he just couldn't hack it. Of course he would never admit it to you, or to the person who is feeding you the info.
 

Brez, is that you ripping Kill?!?!?!

Anyways, this is part of why GH is such a sh!t show. Trolls like this can come on and spout off negativity and lies and get away with it. Then recruits come on here and read that sh!t....... and we think this site is HELPING Gopher athletics??? Come on now....
 

GophFan said:
Sources close to Hammock say working under Kill was like a B squad coach trying to coach at a varsity level.
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I agree. It appears that Hammock is the "B" squad coach, and Kill is the varsity.

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya, Thomas.
 

GophFan said:
Thomas Hammock leaving is a big blow to the recruiting efforts in Florida. Sources close to Hammock say working under Kill was like a B squad coach trying to coach at a varsity level. He also had difficulty working in the police state run by Operations Director Dan O'Brien. It is very unfortunate we lose a coach of his caliber.
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What was coaching under Brewster like then? A t-ball parent trying to coach the varsity team? The jury is out on whether Kill can recruit (although he is making a strong case early with his in state kids) but anyone with half a brain knows that Kill is 10 times the overall coach that Brewster was. I am so sick and tired of watching our players run around like retards trying to hump a door knob that I will take a real coach over a *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# recruiter any day of the week.
 



GophFan said:
Thomas Hammock leaving is a big blow to the recruiting efforts in Florida. Sources close to Hammock say working under Kill was like a B squad coach trying to coach at a varsity level. He also had difficulty working in the police state run by Operations Director Dan O'Brien. It is very unfortunate we lose a coach of his caliber.
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Mrs. Hammock,

I can understand that you're upset about having to move to a backwater state like Wisconsin, but this is not the place to take out your frustrations.
 

gophervet said:
What was coaching under Brewster like then? A t-ball parent trying to coach the varsity team? The jury is out on whether Kill can recruit (although he is making a strong case early with his in state kids) but anyone with half a brain knows that Kill is 10 times the overall coach that Brewster was. I am so sick and tired of watching our players run around like retards trying to hump a door knob that I will take a real coach over a *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# recruiter any day of the week.
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This is not about Brewster. GophFan has it in for Dan O'Brien. I think he is the same guy who was campaigning on GopherHole several months ago for Kill not to hire O'Brien. He was spreading the same garbage then. I am guessing O'Brien stole his girl friend or something and now GophFan is getting back at him the only way he knows how.
 

GophFan said:
yes, the same Dan O'Brien. You made the assumption that he enjoyed working for him under Brewster and your assumption is wrong. He enjoyed working for Brewster and the recruiting program he had. Kill did a great job recruiting 3 star players at Northern IL. It is a different ballgame recruiting 4 and 5 star players from states like Florida where every major team recruits. Players and coaches did not care for O'Brien under Brewster and they don't under Kill. It was a bad choice on Kill's part for such key position. Talk to anyone close to the program and they will tell you the same thing.
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How many "4 and 5 star players from states like Florida" did Hammock actually get that were stars for the Gophers? I don't know if he was involved with M Gray, but Gray may eventually be a star. Other than that, Traye Simmons was decent.... uh, who am I missing?

The bottom line is, I think Brewster showed us the ceiling of what you can do with "recruiting." At Minnesota, until we start winning consistently, we will just not recruit on par with Ohio State or Michigan or the other big boys. With Brewster we got up to #17 or something for 1 year, and most of his top guys that year either made no contribution (Hayo, Maresh) or at best were average starters (Simmons). Anyway, Brewster brought the talent level up a bit, and that was good enough for 3 wins/year for 2 years, but ultimately his lack of coaching skills showed the limitations of his mantra "It's the Johnnies & Joes, not the X's & O's!" Well, it's also the X's and O's and discipline and preparation.

How have Iowa and Wisconsin had success in the Big 10 without the top ranked recruiting classes? They've done it with solid schemes and player development. They've pulled the usual smattering of guys from Florida/Texas/etc., but the core of their teams is still pretty local.
 

Its too bad Hammack will never be on the winning side in the AX game
 



Absolute godawful traitor scum.
He'll fit in well with the ahole classless head coach over in wisky, here's to nothing but bad mojo to follow him over the border.
This is seriously bad, he know exactly what Kill has told him about the inner workings of his program, his recruiting secrets, etc. Absolute BS. Absolute judas.
 

Our Rushing Game

I don't understand why people are upset about Hammock's departure. Our rushing game collapsed with the departure of Glen Mason and his staff. Was Glen's rushing success a function of recruiting or coaching, or both? In any event, from the only metrics which matter, our performance on the ground, things have been underwhelming during Hammock's tenure. By the way, what good is it to have a "great runningbacks recruiter" if the same coach cannot extract excellence from his recruits during game time? Maybe Thomas Hammock is a great coach. I don't know. I also know that I no longer care. He is not relevent to our program anymore. Perhaps his departure will correlate with an improvement in Golden Gopher yards / carry and and a reduction in our fumbles / turn overs. With respect to Jerry Kill's rotation of coaches, good managers / leaders encourage job rotation. It benefits the individual who is ambitious and it benefits the organization. Cross training is valuable from a number of perspectives.
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WI and IA have done it with avg classes cause the winner of the BT FB title only needs to play a touch above avg to win games in a mediocre BTin FB. sadly, we are now seeing this in basketball, as well. BT BB used to be loaded with future NBA players and now slightly above avg wins the BT BB title.
 

wait!what? said:
WI and IA have done it with avg classes cause the winner of the BT FB title only needs to play a touch above avg to win games in a mediocre BTin FB. sadly, we are now seeing this in basketball, as well. BT BB used to be loaded with future NBA players and now slightly above avg wins the BT BB title.
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Virtually nothing you said in that post is true or makes any sense.
 

I understand the disappointment, but not the anger (and I'm not trying to sanctimonious). Assistant coaching is a very unstable career and I don't blame any one of these guys for looking out for themselves. He has ties to the Wisconsin program, so it fits.

But it is disappointing, he seems to be a good recruiter.

As for the slap at Kill being a "B Squad" coach, I doubt someone in Hammock's position would use a term like that. Liking one's boss can often be a luxury and if Hammock didn't like Kill or O'Brien, that's too bad. It's his job to do his job. Too bad he couldn't do it here, but I don't buy the "discomfort" argument and if that is why he left, good riddance.
 

50PoundHead said:
I understand the disappointment, but not the anger (and I'm not trying to sanctimonious). Assistant coaching is a very unstable career and I don't blame any one of these guys for looking out for themselves. He has ties to the Wisconsin program, so it fits.

But it is disappointing, he seems to be a good recruiter.

As for the slap at Kill being a "B Squad" coach, I doubt someone in Hammock's position would use a term like that. Liking one's boss can often be a luxury and if Hammock didn't like Kill or O'Brien, that's too bad. It's his job to do his job. Too bad he couldn't do it here, but I don't buy the "discomfort" argument and if that is why he left, good riddance.
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Assistant coaching is certainly unstable, which is why it's such a slap in the face to Coach Kill and Minnesota for him to take a job after a transition only to spit in our face when anyone especially our blood rivals come calling.

As for B squad coach or whatever, the poster clearly has something against Dan O' Brian, no doubt Hammock left for other reasons, if not why would he go to wisky? Can't get much more B squad than their classless dbag coach considering he's pretty much coddled and propped up by their hall of fame coach now AD.

Remember even ron zook lost a rose bowl game.
Hammock can choke on a skunk wearing a popcorn box in my book.
 

At least he had the decency to wait until after signing day. Otherwise I might be wishing even worse on his dumb a$s.

Still, as it is... good riddance.
 

After reading this board, it appears as if Bielema has made a terrible hire. Hammock can't recruit and he can't coach. Makes you wonder why a coach as good as Kill and a coach that is 49-16 would ever want to hire the guy.
 

GVBadger said:
After reading this board, it appears as if Bielema has made a terrible hire. Hammock can't recruit and he can't coach. Makes you wonder why a coach as good as Kill and a coach that is 49-16 would ever want to hire the guy.
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A coach with a record for 15-30 also hired the guy... People are just pissed he left for Wisconsin. He was incredibly well liked here.

The loudest applause at the goal line clubs meet and greet was when he said how happy he was that hammock stayed.

I met him after the Iowa game, had a drink with him and wished him well as co-ed's came over to his table.

He's a top notch recruiter, and as much as I hate to say it he'll probably do well at Wisconsin. My ending thought is that he can go suck a bag full of d's.
 

GVBadger said:
After reading this board, it appears as if Bielema has made a terrible hire. Hammock can't recruit and he can't coach. Makes you wonder why a coach as good as Kill and a coach that is 49-16 would ever want to hire the guy.
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I don't get why you are here?
 


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