Keelon Brookins De-commits from Minnesota and heads to rival Badgers

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DMB123 said:
You don't think the reason for his rating going up is a direct result of him verballing to Wisconsin? You believe that his rating would have still gone up to 4 stars if he had stayed with Minnesota?

I'm amazed people still look at Rivals for anything. You could have two kids very equal in talent. One kid verbals to Notre Dame and the other to Minnesota. Guess which one gets 4 stars and which one gets 2 stars? It's such a joke.
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In 2007 Minnesota had 7 4* recruits according to Rivals. Which year should we assume this conspiracy started?
 

justthefacts said:
In 2007 Minnesota had 7 4* recruits according to Rivals. Which year should we assume this conspiracy started?
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What does that have to do with my point? A 4 star player can commit to any school he wants, that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I was referring to players who have 2 or 3 stars, then verbal to a school like Notre Dame or Alabama, and all of a sudden they have 4 stars. It happens all the time.
 

DMB123 said:
I'm amazed people still look at Rivals for anything. You could have two kids very equal in talent. One kid verbals to Notre Dame and the other to Minnesota. Guess which one gets 4 stars and which one gets 2 stars? It's such a joke.
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4-star Minnesota commits:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/minnesota/f...Gjere-92470;_ylt=AuzXttOawgzg41QDa3OSZcvPspB4

offers from MN and WI

http://rivals.yahoo.com/minnesota/f...wards-91020;_ylt=ApaNuaJpqst0n35lJsxQf0HPspB4

offers from MN, WI, IA, and UAB

2-star Notre Dame commits:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/minnesota/f...Quinn-28864;_ylt=Ao5EUu5JZLOccl2zNsgFB2DPspB4

offers from ND, Penn St., Pitt, and Syracuse

http://rivals.yahoo.com/minnesota/f...Wolke-19261;_ylt=Aj3GUs3G92fCf4a_SYAwxGHPspB4

offers from ND, Nebraska, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, and Kentucky

http://rivals.yahoo.com/minnesota/f...Banda-20256;_ylt=AkKs8D0EonfOS93xnRS.KBnPspB4

offers from ND, Georgia Tech, Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, and Wake Forest

http://rivals.yahoo.com/minnesota/f...Brown-24610;_ylt=AmQ.SpQtnOXYW5Itn0pYbRTPspB4

offers from ND, Penn St., Boston College, and UConn

http://rivals.yahoo.com/minnesota/f...rrine-18398;_ylt=AmonbbSS54gguOX8Rro8OavPspB4

offers from Penn St., Virginia, and Rutgers


Such a joke, indeed.
 

DMB123 said:
I was referring to players who have 2 or 3 stars, then verbal to a school like Notre Dame or Alabama, and all of a sudden they have 4 stars. It happens all the time.
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No, it doesn't. It happens sometimes. Notre Dame and Alabama sign a lot of 3-stars, and even some 2-stars. You see what you want to see.
 

dpodoll68 said:
No, it doesn't. It happens sometimes. Notre Dame and Alabama sign a lot of 3-stars, and even some 2-stars. You see what you want to see.
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You pick out a few examples out of literally hundreds of players and think you have a point? Did I ever say that a school like Minnesota can't have 4 star recruits and a school like Alabama can't have 2 star recruits? The answer is no, I never said anything close to that. Thanks for showing me that big time schools have some 2 star recruits, I never knew that(sarcasm). Boy, you and justthefacts aren't understanding a very basic point I'm making. If you disagree fine, but at least try to figure out what I'm saying first.
 


DMB123 said:
You don't think the reason for his rating going up is a direct result of him verballing to Wisconsin? You believe that his rating would have still gone up to 4 stars if he had stayed with Minnesota?

I'm amazed people still look at Rivals for anything. You could have two kids very equal in talent. One kid verbals to Notre Dame and the other to Minnesota. Guess which one gets 4 stars and which one gets 2 stars? It's such a joke.
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Just posing a hypothetical...do you think Rivals gives the players a boost because certain teams are better at developing talent? Coming out of high school they might have equal talent, but after 5 years, which one is more likely to be a better player? The one that went to the school that is better at developing talent. That way, when recruiting rankings should be evaluated, they look better
 


DMB123 said:
You pick out a few examples out of literally hundreds of players and think you have a point? Did I ever say that a school like Minnesota can't have 4 star recruits and a school like Alabama can't have 2 star recruits? The answer is no, I never said anything close to that. Thanks for showing me that big time schools have some 2 star recruits, I never knew that(sarcasm). Boy, you and justthefacts aren't understanding a very basic point I'm making. If you disagree fine, but at least try to figure out what I'm saying first.
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I think the point is that just because someone commits to a ND, Wisconsin, or Alabama does not automatically make them a 4 or 5 star recruit. Therefore, it is a possibility that Keelon Brookins was given 4 stars because he deserves it. You could be right in that he was given a 4 star because he committed to WI but you also could be wrong.
 

DMB123 said:
players who have 2 or 3 stars, then verbal to a school like Notre Dame or Alabama, and all of a sudden they have 4 stars. It happens all the time.
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Sometimes a particular recruit can understandably be 2 or 3 stars. But then, they do incredible at a camp, or just blow away the competition during their senior season. Consequently, the offers start rolling in from Notre Dame and Alabama, and all of a sudden they have 4 stars.

I just don't think that recruits get "upgraded' just because more prestigious programs offer.
 



What is kind of funny about this discussion is that if you read any Badger board regarding recruiting, the running joke is that as soon as someone commits to Wisconsin be ready for a ratings or star decrease.

I would agree, if an under the radar recruit commits to Bama, Texas, USC, ND, etc. they have a decent likelihood to increase their rating/stars However, that doesn't mean that their commitment to that program is the sole reason for the star increase.
 

I wish there was a way to view the ratings history for guys. That would settle all of this. As it is now, it's not possible to determine whether a guy got a Notre Dame offer because he was a 4* (talent) or got a 4* rating because he got a Notre Dame offer.

EDIT: Just took a look at Notre Dame's 2013 class and then sorted by commit date. There are certainly plenty of 3* guys who committed a long time ago. One guy that jumped out was Colin McGovern. He had offers from Alabama, Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State, Tennessee, Washington, Wisconsin, and others. He committed in March and he's still 3 stars. Something tells me that Rivals doesn't care too much about where a kid goes or who he's offered by.

DMB, I'm understanding your basic point, I'm just not seeing any evidence for it. Would be happy to be proven wrong.
 

The biggest question here is will Keelon come back to the U? Seems unlikely at this point. Thoughts anybody?
 

I think it happens sometimes, especially with kids who are a bit off the radar. Minnesota isn't the football hotbed of nation--although we have certainly improved--and the kids here don't get watched or talked about as much as some of the kids in other parts of the country. Brookins' "entry level" rating was 3 stars, but talk on him (or the availability of film or in-person estimates of his ability) bumped him up a star. The Wisconsin offer and the availability of information that led to a more accurate gauge of his potential are, in my estimation, linked, but it's the information that more likely led to the one-star increase.

Wish he would have stayed committed to the U and maybe he changes his mind at some point. Always nice to keep the best in-state kids home.

PS--I think this has happened with some of our recruits as well. I don't Plsek had any stars when he signed, largely because he was off the radar for most national services. A month after he signed, he was given three stars. That probably was the result of the national services calling coaches in his area and getting their hands on some film in order to make a more accurate projection of his potential.
 



Saluki07 said:
The biggest question here is will Keelon come back to the U? Seems unlikely at this point. Thoughts anybody?
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He stated that he "loved" Coach Kill and Minnesota, he just felt like he needed to get away. I felt the same way at 18 and moved back. Time will tell...
 

I haven't been following this very closely, but isn't this a perfect example of BB being a hypocrite? When tOSU went after that OLineman after Urban took over, BB said that going after a committed player within the conference was a violation of the league code or some other B.S. like that. He obviously didn't have a problem offering a MN commit after he had already committed.
 

MadtownGopher said:
I haven't been following this very closely, but isn't this a perfect example of BB being a hypocrite? When tOSU went after that OLineman after Urban took over, BB said that going after a committed player within the conference was a violation of the league code or some other B.S. like that. He obviously didn't have a problem offering a MN commit after he had already committed.
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Here we go again. It is the best way to attract Badger trolls.
 

MadtownGopher said:
I haven't been following this very closely, but isn't this a perfect example of BB being a hypocrite? When tOSU went after that OLineman after Urban took over, BB said that going after a committed player within the conference was a violation of the league code or some other B.S. like that. He obviously didn't have a problem offering a MN commit after he had already committed.
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I'll usually never defend Wisky, but here goes. Brookins went the to UW camp looking for an offer. If he was 100% committed to the Gophers at the time, he wouldn't have gone.
 

John Galt said:
I'll usually never defend Wisky, but here goes. Brookins went the to UW camp looking for an offer. If he was 100% committed to the Gophers at the time, he wouldn't have gone.
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Alright, like I said I haven't been following this so I appreciate the info. Still seems like a silly thing for BB to say. How does anyone ever know when a kid is 100% committed. If a kid ultimately decomits and goes to a different school, regardless of new school's recruiting tactics, was the kid ever 100% committed, even if he said he was?
 

Prado89 said:
Here we go again. It is the best way to attract Badger trolls.
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To your point, this very thing was discussed already IN THIS THREAD! Post #112. Nothing worse than asking questions or making points that were already made in the thread you're posting in.
 

justthefacts said:
To your point, this very thing was discussed already IN THIS THREAD! Post #112. Nothing worse than asking questions or making points that were already made in the thread you're posting in.
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I think you take message boards a little too seriously. Excuse him for not reading through 9 pages of this stuff before asking a question. Message board police are the worst.
 

justthefacts said:
To your point, this very thing was discussed already IN THIS THREAD! Post #112. Nothing worse than asking questions or making points that were already made in the thread you're posting in.
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@justthefacts

Are you talking to me or Madtowngopher?
If you're talking to Madtowngopher, please make sure to have some sort of clarification such as @ abc.
 

Prado89 said:
@justthefacts

Are you talking to me or Madtowngopher?
If you're talking to Madtowngopher, please make sure to have some sort of clarification such as @ abc.
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Your point was that the question of whether it's hypocritical for Bielema to recruit another school's commit has been answered and bickered about here ad nauseam. I agreed with you, and thus started my post, "To your point." And to illustrate your point I referenced the fact that this had been discussed and bickered about in this very thread.
 

justthefacts said:
Your point was that the question of whether it's hypocritical for Bielema to recruit another school's commit has been answered and bickered about here ad nauseam. I agreed with you, and thus started my post, "To your point." And to illustrate your point I referenced the fact that this had been discussed and bickered about in this very thread.
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I think Madtown is a bball fan. I don't see him on football side not too often. That could be the reason.
 

I'm a football fan as well as basketball fan, it's just too hard to follow all of the football recruiting news. I probably do post more on the basketball board, that's more so because the basketball team is probably going to have a much better season than the football team this year.
 

Nothing worse

Than a Minnesota kid who goes over to Wisconsin. Does he think he can make a living in Madison - or even Milwaukee?
 

Great Plains Gopher said:
Than a Minnesota kid who goes over to Wisconsin. Does he think he can make a living in Madison - or even Milwaukee?
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You must not spend much time around High School athletes. Most are convinced they are going to play in the pros.
 


Great Plains Gopher said:
Than a Minnesota kid who goes over to Wisconsin. Does he think he can make a living in Madison - or even Milwaukee?
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HA, Sid, is that you?? I wonder how anyone who goes to college outside of a top 10 - top 20 media/business center gets a job after school? Don't they realize that you can only work in the city that you went to college in? I swear it seems like some on this board have never left the great state of Minnesota. Check out some other places! You'd be surprised, there are some pretty cool spots around the country.

As for recruiting committed players - it's probably been posted on this board about 200 times that BB doesn't care about recruiting committed players, and never got mad at any other coach for recruiting his committed players. His policy is that he will recruit a player until the player tells him to stop recruiting them.
 

ArchibaldMThrockmortonIII said:
You think that people should decide where to go to school based on where they want to work after college?

Thank you for providing me with a most hearty chortle.
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South Bend. A city with a rich past and a bright future. A city on the forefront of the new economy. Where the entrepreneurial spirit is embraced and innovation is nurtured.

The kind of place where business thrives.

You are invited to explore what makes South Bend an emerging center of business in the Midwest. From our innovative spirit to our central location, from our work ethic to our lifestyle.

You will find that South Bend is the place for business.
 

Great Plains Gopher said:
Than a Minnesota kid who goes over to Wisconsin. Does he think he can make a living in Madison - or even Milwaukee?
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I shouldn't take the bait, because I don't want this thread to get too far off-topic, but let's say that actually IS how kids decide where to go to school (it's not)...

The City of Milwaukee has more Fortune 500 companies per capita than the City of Minneapolis, and Madison is continuously growing.

So, yes, maybe he does think he can make a living over here. Regardless, it's not like he'd be confined within the state's borders for the rest of eternity. As of a few years ago, I know Madison was having a Hell of a time trying to get UW grads to stay in state after graduation.


With that said, I like the Twin Cities 100x more. I'm still holding out hope that Brookins feels the same way at some point over the next year.
 

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