K-State student athletes are taking a stand against racism

You know it's not illegal to be on drugs, right? It's illegal to possess (some), sell them or operate a vehicle, but you can literally be as high as you want and it's not a crime.
I bet Lance Armstrong sure wishes he had added you to his legal defense team, just think of all the troubles you would have solved for him (I get your point though, just also pointing that that yes, drug use in some situations can definitely be illegal).
 

You took the brunt because I replied to yours - which was not fair - for a bunch of other things posted in this thread. Sorry. I still have traces of mjfelton in my system. Its gonna take some time to flush that crap.
I think you may have traces of a bunch of different things in your sysyem.
 


Are university students schooled in the US Constitution? Based on some comments here and elsewhere from purported students and graduates...seems not. Honestly would rather see the thought police kicked off campus than the jerk who made a too soon “joke” at a murder victim’s (who happened to have three illegal or controlled substances in his blood) expense.
Noted that you have more sympathy for a racist joke teller's "rights" than an innocent man who was murdered.

We can agree to disagree.
 

You know it's not illegal to be on drugs, right? It's illegal to possess (some), sell them or operate a vehicle, but you can literally be as high as you want and it's not a crime. I love how people are justifying this crass joke because a guy had drugs in his system. I did 4 illegal substances just last weekend for my birthday. All with other 40-somethings who make close to six figures and all who have graduate degrees. So go ahead and continue to make generalizations about people who enjoy recreational drugs. It's hilarious. Do we all deserve to die and have some racist cunt kid make jokes about us on Twitter??

Dude, that dumbass goes to Kansas State. THAT is the fucking true punch line here. Jesus.
Love the passion of this post.
 


Noted that you have more sympathy for a racist joke teller's "rights" than an innocent man who was murdered.

We can agree to disagree.

I did not say that or anything close to that. Read carefully.
 

It's actually the cumulative effect of many comments in this thread. The fact that some are justifying George Floyd's death or judging a person because he had drugs in his system is so freaking Nancy Reagan antiquated and sad that it makes my blood boil.
Who is justifying his death? Show me one comment that says he deserved to die. It's a fact that he had drugs in his system (and I don't really care about that, let people do what they want). But you're just putting words in other people's mouth and creating a strawman argument by saying people are justifying his death. This is one of the few cases where nearly everyone agrees his death was unjustified.
 

The first amendment just says that laws can’t be created to outlaw the expression of ideas in public places.

A university, no matter if it receives funding from a state government (a “public” school), or the federal government (almost all do, via tuition assistance FAFSA), is not a public place. It is private property.

And, being expelled from a university isn’t a criminal punishment.


No argument can ever change these facts. Go ahead, let’s see how fast you can waive your hands.

Dude, I've provided like four sources of court cases setting precedence for this type of thing and all you keep saying is "it's private property, they can expel him."

I figured you wouldn't be able to back up your claims with actual evidence. Whether you agree with it or not, there is no precedence that a public university can kick this asshole out of school.
 

Who is justifying his death? Show me one comment that says he deserved to die. It's a fact that he had drugs in his system (and I don't really care about that, let people do what they want). But you're just putting words in other people's mouth and creating a strawman argument by saying people are justifying his death. This is one of the few cases where nearly everyone agrees his death was unjustified.

Mjfelton literally said "Floyd probably deserved to be PUT DOWN before this"
 



Mjfelton literally said "Floyd probably deserved to be PUT DOWN before this"

To be fair, he said "put down because he held a gun to a woman's stomach," not because he was on drugs when the cops interacted. I don't agree with his post at all, it's incredibly dumb, but you're mixing the two scenarios.

No one is saying he deserved to die from the cops.
 

To be fair, he said "put down because he held a gun to a woman's stomach," not because he was on drugs when the cops interacted. I don't agree with his post at all, it's incredibly dumb, but you're mixing the two scenarios.

No one is saying he deserved to die from the cops.

Okay, but the fact people are even bringing up the fact he had drugs in his system when he died is ridiculous and irrelevant. The implication with those comments is "look, this guy did illegal drugs and he was obviously not a good person." My whole point is drugs and alcohol are the same thing. The government legalized and figured out how to tax alcohol, but they tell us "drugs are bad, mmkay" so society views them differently. In reality, way more people die of alcohol every year than drugs (although big pharma and their "legal" opioids have given booze a run for its money in recent years).

Would people even be commenting if George Floyd had alcohol in his system?
 

Who is justifying his death? Show me one comment that says he deserved to die. It's a fact that he had drugs in his system (and I don't really care about that, let people do what they want). But you're just putting words in other people's mouth and creating a strawman argument by saying people are justifying his death. This is one of the few cases where nearly everyone agrees his death was unjustified.
Then why bring up that he had drugs in his system?
 

Okay, but the fact people are even bringing up the fact he had drugs in his system when he died is ridiculous and irrelevant. The implication with those comments is "look, this guy did illegal drugs and he was obviously not a good person." My whole point is drugs and alcohol are the same thing. The government legalized and figured out how to tax alcohol, but they tell us "drugs are bad, mmkay" so society views them differently. In reality, way more people die of alcohol every year than drugs (although big pharma and their "legal" opioids have given booze a run for its money in recent years).

Would people even be commenting if George Floyd had alcohol in his system?
Great post but in court it will not be irrelevant. Anything that slows his respiratory function is of great interest to the court as well as any previous violent behavior. We all agree that he should not have died and that the cop was way out of bounds and will be prosecuted.
 





I love this so much! I will forever be able to back to this and get a big laugh. Thank you.

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Great post but in court it will not be irrelevant. Anything that slows his respiratory function is of great interest to the court as well as any previous violent behavior. We all agree that he should not have died and that the cop was way out of bounds and will be prosecuted.

That's a fair point.
I love this so much! I will forever be able to back to this and get a big laugh. Thank you.

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That's great, pal. I'll focus on my laughs in the real world. You go ahead and keep on focusing on a computer screen to get your jollies.
 

That's a fair point.


That's great, pal. I'll focus on my laughs in the real world. You go ahead and keep on focusing on a computer screen to get your jollies.

Haha, so awesome WG! thanks again.
 


It's actually the cumulative effect of many comments in this thread. The fact that some are justifying George Floyd's death or judging a person because he had drugs in his system is so freaking Nancy Reagan antiquated and sad that it makes my blood boil.
While it is sad, those who choose to do so, are entitled to their opinion. Basically we need to remember what zman said. I should read it before I post. ;)
 

You have a source for any of this or are you just making it up as you go? I already provided one court case that is relevant to this situation. Here's three more sources that agree that the first amendment applies to public universities. As long as someone is not inciting violence, they can say what they want.



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Where does the student code of conduct come in? That is assuming such behavior would be against KSU's code of conduct.
 

Where does the student code of conduct come in? That is assuming such behavior would be against KSU's code of conduct.

Is tweeting a terrible joke grounds for expelling a student from the university?
 


Where does the student code of conduct come in? That is assuming such behavior would be against KSU's code of conduct.

One hold have to “read into” the “joke” a racist intent which clearly isn’t present.

Defining hate speech is a little bit like defining pornography. Eye of the beholder. As a reasonable people we don’t want to go down that road. Some things are clearly race-related and harassment and discrimination that shouldn’t be tolerated. This episode and joke wasn’t regarding a protected group or characteristic even if the poster proves to have other racial-related postings in the past or future.
 

One hold have to “read into” the “joke” a racist intent which clearly isn’t present.

Defining hate speech is a little bit like defining pornography. Eye of the beholder. As a reasonable people we don’t want to go down that road. Some things are clearly race-related and harassment and discrimination that shouldn’t be tolerated. This episode and joke wasn’t regarding a protected group or characteristic even if the poster proves to have other racial-related postings in the past or future.
While I appreciate your points, I am looking at the impact. I am asking this question, because I don't know the answer. Is the administration able to ask the student to cease and desist? I am trying to sort out where the line is between freedom of speech and offending others. I would think at some point their could be counter charges of the administration failing to provide a safe and stable learning environment.
 


One hold have to “read into” the “joke” a racist intent which clearly isn’t present.

Defining hate speech is a little bit like defining pornography. Eye of the beholder. As a reasonable people we don’t want to go down that road. Some things are clearly race-related and harassment and discrimination that shouldn’t be tolerated. This episode and joke wasn’t regarding a protected group or characteristic even if the poster proves to have other racial-related postings in the past or future.
Our entire criminal justice system is based on "the eye of the beholder", the jury. As it should be. There is almost never hard evidence of any thing which is claimed to have occurred.

But humans are exceptional at intuition and inferring what was probably the intent of someone, based on circumstantial evidence and credible testimony.

The tweet was not a joke. It was intended to cause pain and suffering. It was hate speech.

He should be expelled, and I will cheer if that happens. Probably won't happen though.
 


Just saying it was a joke, isn't proof that it was a joke.
Can you highlight and tell exactly which part of the tweet was inciting violence or is expulsion worthy? Whether wrong or right (he's wrong, and an idiot), you can't go around punishing people for non-violent statements that speak their opinion.
 

Just saying it was a joke, isn't proof that it was a joke.
Respectfully, are you eating paint chips? It could only be a joke. He was a drug user he was dead for a month, he was now then drug free for a month. I love dark humor. The world would be such a better place if we could respect people's rights to make "too soon" jokes. RELAX. If people don't enjoy them, at a time like this no less, then it is more that I feel sorry for them because their existence is humorless in many ways.
 
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