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MonikerSchmoniker45 said:
Not trying to hate... just looking for clarity. You could be 100% right, but there's always a chance other boosters are inflating their numbers when speaking with your source. We can definitely agree that the U is way behind when it comes to NIL. Seems to me the football team is doing a decent job of getting players NIL money the right way though.
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What's the right way, who is getting it and how much? The devil is in the details.
 

MonikerSchmoniker45 said:
Not trying to hate... just looking for clarity. You could be 100% right, but there's always a chance other boosters are inflating their numbers when speaking with your source. We can definitely agree that the U is way behind when it comes to NIL. Seems to me the football team is doing a decent job of getting players NIL money the right way though.
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There is actually good progress on the basketball side happening as well through DTA. They just got some significant donations for hoops and that match campaign is running. Won't impact this offseason, but with the U finally creating a position for someone to work directly with the collectives and also to help fundraise specifically for NIL, we won't be in the dark ages for too long.
 

WriterGoph said:
There is actually good progress on the basketball side happening as well through DTA. They just got some significant donations for hoops and that match campaign is running. Won't impact this offseason, but with the U finally creating a position for someone to work directly with the collectives and also to help fundraise specifically for NIL, we won't be in the dark ages for too long.
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Why? This is THE offseason where we need the help!
 

WriterGoph said:
There is actually good progress on the basketball side happening as well through DTA. They just got some significant donations for hoops and that match campaign is running. Won't impact this offseason, but with the U finally creating a position for someone to work directly with the collectives and also to help fundraise specifically for NIL, we won't be in the dark ages for too long.
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They have NIL for this offseason as well. That isn't an issue.
 

bga1 said:
What's the right way, who is getting it and how much? The devil is in the details.
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What if we say, "the way the rule was intended?" Not as bags of cash to poach players. I feel like there's been alot more player interviews and promos lately that I assume they are paid for.
 



bga1 said:
I thought it was doubly important that we NOT hire Johnson a couple of years back because I agree with you about this town and how tough it is to get traction while running from behind.

That said, we did hire him, we do have him and he is our guy. For that reason, I am very excited to see what he will do this spring, summer and fall to get this thing on track. The good news is that it appears that our moribund AD has now figured out that, hey, maybe we should get more in tune with this NIL thing and see if we can help the coach that he and Joan hired.

Ben is a good guy. I hope that the U gets behind him in a huge way and gives him every chance to succeed under difficult circumstances. I actually think that, given a decent hand to play, he just might succeed.

Here is something amazing to me: If Battle is potentially getting offers that could pay him six figures- how are we going to retain the rest of the team? I know they are getting some money but .....
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I (kind of) defended the hire because I bought into the local angle and I also believed what others like Thorson were saying about Johnson. He wasn't in my top 5 choices (though I found many of the names around here underwhelming) and I doubt I would have ever interviewed him but I at least could pretend to understand the reasoning behind the hire. I also assume that there is more to it than just what a lot of loudmouths around here thought and also many of the coaches everyone assumed wanted the job had no real interest in it.

(keep in mind as long as he is the coach I will back him, even if I criticize him)

I agree on the money. If a guy like Battle can get that kind of money or even something within the ballpark of it then the Gophers are screwed as are about half the schools in the Power 6 conferences. (single bid conferences will be fine they will just get poached if they have a good player or two which is nothing new) There aren't a lot of schools that can afford to pay non-stars 6 figures. I dont begrudge players getting what they can but this is ridiculous and ruins the sport. Why would I want to watch a watered down version of the NBA? If what is being said is true, any team can buy a Sweet Sixteen run with a couple million dollars...yuck.

And yes, I know that was happening illegally prior to this, and that made me sick too. This is different though.
 

WriterGoph said:
The source is someone who is very dialed into Gopher basketball and would know enough to be reached out to by boosters/staff at said interested school for this person's analysis of Battle's game and abilities. This person also has zero reason to put this out there or embellish any numbers.

If people (not saying you specifically) can't grasp the fact that there are WITHOUT A DOUBT multiple programs around the country with NIL collectives/boosters putting $2-3 million into their basketball teams, then they are living in a parallel universe.

There are at least 3-4 of them in the Sweet 16 right now.
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Which means 12-13 of the sweet 16 programs are not paying that type of money.
 




MonikerSchmoniker45 said:
What if we say, "the way the rule was intended?" Not as bags of cash to poach players. I feel like there's been alot more player interviews and promos lately that I assume they are paid for.
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Unfortunately the rules are whatever is being enforced. Therefore, since the NCAA is on thin ice to enforce anything, we had better get up to speed.
 

Good info on the DTA thanks! I am trying to move some things around to help but my discretionary funds are limited right now :(
 


MNVCGUY said:
We were 2-5 in Big Ten Games decided by 4 or fewer points during the regular season. Not trying to pretend we were some championship caliber team but we were not as far from the rest of the pack as some of you like to act like we were.

The team was also playing quite a bit better in the last part of the season. This isn't reaching it is just reality. Have been saying the whole time that this is a massive off season for Johnson and one where he has to hit a HR with the players he brings in if he is going to save his job.

Another season like the first two will almost certainly get him fired.
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If and but.

Reach.
 



bga1 said:
Unfortunately the rules are whatever is being enforced. Therefore, since the NCAA is on thin ice to enforce anything, we had better get up to speed.
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Get up to speed, how? Nobody has ponied up the cash to this point, why would they start now? A&M had the largest payroll last year and finished last. Throwing money around doesn't fix everything, PJ's program is built to sustain.
 

Dave H said:
For now. You really want to bet it isn't going to get worse?
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Yes. I’ve said this before the schools that are spending big money are mainly the same schools who always have. It’s just out in the open now.

The majority of the schools are not paying that type of money. The transfer portal continues to create more and more parity.
 

GopherBB12 said:
I’m thankful for Battle coming home and giving us some light and solid moments. I never thought he was a true #1 or #2 on a winning team, but he gave it his all and that’s something I’ll never forget. He’s going to do well and quite frankly deserves a chance to make a tourney run. I hope he lands with a program that gives him that chance and also a shot overseas. Kid deserves it.

This next season will be a make or break for Ben. I think he’s well aware of that. Rumor is he’s hitting the portal hard for playmakers and kids who can play in the BIG. This team has pieces (similar to all our teams I the past decade) but lacks 2 studs to put us over the top. If he gets that, we have a shot as a bubble team. If he doesn’t, well…I think we know what happens. 😅 I’ll never root for one’s failure. I hope it works outs for Battle/Johnson/University/Fans!

Go Gophers.
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MNVCGUY said:
We were 2-5 in Big Ten Games decided by 4 or fewer points during the regular season. Not trying to pretend we were some championship caliber team but we were not as far from the rest of the pack as some of you like to act like we were.
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Boy, I'm not sure I can get on board with that.

The fact we only played in 7 games of four or fewer points and didn't win ANY games by more than 3 points tells you how uncompetitive we were. Eleven of our 21 Big Ten games were single digits, including all three wins, but only only 8 of our 18 losses were by single digits.

We were outscored by 12.3 ppg in our Big Ten games, by far last in the Big Ten. Second-to-last was Nebraska at -5.3 ppg deficit. Penn State was 10th at 0.0 ppg (scored the same as they allowed). Rutgers was 9th at +.7 ppg.

Here is the comparison of #14 Minnesota and #13 Ohio State (BIG TEN GAMES ONLY, INCLUDING BTT):

Total Wins: MINN 3, OSU 8
Total Losses: MINN 18, OSU 16
Single Digits wins: MINN 3, OSU 4
Double Digit wins: MINN 0, OSU 4
Single Digit losses: MINN 8, OSU 11
Double Digit losses: MINN 10, OSU 5
Losses of 20+ pts: MINN 4, OSU 2
Losses of 35+ pts: MINN 2, OSU 0
Largest margin of victory: MINN 3, OSU 16 (twice)

Frankly, that IS quite a gap from last place to second-to-last place.
 

tjgopher said:
Boy, I'm not sure I can get on board with that.

The fact we only played in 7 games of four or fewer points and didn't win ANY games by more than 3 points tells you how uncompetitive we were. Eleven of our 21 Big Ten games were single digits, including all three wins, but only only 8 of our 18 losses were by single digits.

We were outscored by 12.3 ppg in our Big Ten games, by far last in the Big Ten. Second-to-last was Nebraska at -5.3 ppg deficit. Penn State was 10th at 0.0 ppg (scored the same as they allowed). Rutgers was 9th at +.7 ppg.

Here is the comparison of #14 Minnesota and #13 Ohio State (BIG TEN GAMES ONLY, INCLUDING BTT):

Total Wins: MINN 3, OSU 8
Total Losses: MINN 18, OSU 16
Single Digits wins: MINN 3, OSU 4
Double Digit wins: MINN 0, OSU 4
Single Digit losses: MINN 8, OSU 11
Double Digit losses: MINN 10, OSU 5
Losses of 20+ pts: MINN 4, OSU 2
Losses of 35+ pts: MINN 2, OSU 0
Largest margin of victory: MINN 3, OSU 16 (twice)

Frankly, that IS quite a gap from last place to second-to-last place.
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Agreed. Coyle has to do something to avoid the Maturi line.
 

tjgopher said:
Boy, I'm not sure I can get on board with that.

The fact we only played in 7 games of four or fewer points and didn't win ANY games by more than 3 points tells you how uncompetitive we were. Eleven of our 21 Big Ten games were single digits, including all three wins, but only only 8 of our 18 losses were by single digits.

We were outscored by 12.3 ppg in our Big Ten games, by far last in the Big Ten. Second-to-last was Nebraska at -5.3 ppg deficit. Penn State was 10th at 0.0 ppg (scored the same as they allowed). Rutgers was 9th at +.7 ppg.

Here is the comparison of #14 Minnesota and #13 Ohio State (BIG TEN GAMES ONLY, INCLUDING BTT):

Total Wins: MINN 3, OSU 8
Total Losses: MINN 18, OSU 16
Single Digits wins: MINN 3, OSU 4
Double Digit wins: MINN 0, OSU 4
Single Digit losses: MINN 8, OSU 11
Double Digit losses: MINN 10, OSU 5
Losses of 20+ pts: MINN 4, OSU 2
Losses of 35+ pts: MINN 2, OSU 0
Largest margin of victory: MINN 3, OSU 16 (twice)

Frankly, that IS quite a gap from last place to second-to-last place.
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MNVCGUY - always positive!
 

BarnBurner said:
MNVCGUY - always positive!
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lol....serves me right for clicking on the show ignored content button. Sorry that being optimistic and looking for the positive side of things offends you so much. :)

Alright....well this was a great reminder of why I put you on ignore in the first place. Glad to see that my posts still bother you....means I must be doing something right.
 

MNVCGUY said:
lol....serves me right for clicking on the show ignored content button. Sorry that being optimistic and looking for the positive side of things offends you so much. :)

Alright....well this was a great reminder of why I put you on ignore in the first place. Glad to see that my posts still bother you....means I must be doing something right.
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Delusional.
 

Why doesn’t jamison want to be a gopher and help us win?
 
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MNVCGUY said:
We were 2-5 in Big Ten Games decided by 4 or fewer points during the regular season. Not trying to pretend we were some championship caliber team but we were not as far from the rest of the pack as some of you like to act like we were.

The team was also playing quite a bit better in the last part of the season. This isn't reaching it is just reality. Have been saying the whole time that this is a massive off season for Johnson and one where he has to hit a HR with the players he brings in if he is going to save his job.

Another season like the first two will almost certainly get him fired.
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And people are ignoring the fact that the Big Ten was unusually deep this year. After Ohio State (who proved they could play at a high level)....the third to last place teams (Wisconsin & Nebraska) were tied with a 9-11 conference record. Hell.....Wisconsin was on the NCAA bubble as a Weakling Wednesday team. Then you have historic seasons out of Northwestern and Penn State as two teams heavy with seniors. I just think there is going to be a lot more middling teams this next year.....whereas outside of the Gophers.....and Ohio State for a portion of the year.....there really weren't any bad Big Ten teams.
 


Bad Gopher said:
Sorry, but...
1. Putting Johnson in the same category of Brewster is an insult to Brewster.
2. Hoping against hope is getting old and isn't a very good business plan.
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I actually think the Brewster comparison is very accurate right now. Assistant coaches given their first head coaching gig at the Big Ten level, Johnson hasn't been able to get his roster settled, Brew could never get his systems figured out. Both potentially in over their heads at a job they were not ready for. Both followed a coach who had a fairly long run but was at a point where they needed to be replaced.

If Johnson ends up failing and getting fired his hire will be very similar to Brewster on the football side.
 

MNVCGUY said:
I actually think the Brewster comparison is very accurate right now. Assistant coaches given their first head coaching gig at the Big Ten level, Johnson hasn't been able to get his roster settled, Brew could never get his systems figured out. Both potentially in over their heads at a job they were not ready for. Both followed a coach who had a fairly long run but was at a point where they needed to be replaced.

If Johnson ends up failing and getting fired his hire will be very similar to Brewster on the football side.
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Brewster went to a bowl game in years 2 and 3 and finished in the middle of the B1G. Brewster was far and away more successful than Ben to date, and had to manage 7 times as many scholarships to do it.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Brewster went to a bowl game in years 2 and 3 and finished in the middle of the B1G. Brewster was far and away more successful than Ben to date, and had to manage 7 times as many scholarships to do it.
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lol....you can't make it up.....

The Brewster hire has been universally looked at as a horrible hire that didn't work out at all and led to Brewster getting fired halfway through his 4th year.

Are you and some others so desperate to bash Johnson that you can't even handle him being compared to another failed coach who didn't work out and was viewed as a train-wreck?

Good lord...some of you have gotten so negative about things that you are sticking up for Tim Brewster....holy crap.... :)
 

MNVCGUY said:
lol....you can't make it up.....

The Brewster hire has been universally looked at as a horrible hire that didn't work out at all and led to Brewster getting fired halfway through his 4th year.

Are you and some others so desperate to bash Johnson that you can't even handle him being compared to another failed coach who didn't work out and was viewed as a train-wreck?

Good lord...some of you have gotten so negative about things that you are sticking up for Tim Brewster....holy crap.... :)
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Desperate? No, Ben's record speaks for itself.

Brewster was a train wreck, but at least that train made it a few hundred miles down the track. Ben's train broke down before it could even attempt to leave the station.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Desperate? No, Ben's record speaks for itself.

Brewster was a train wreck, but at least that train made it a few hundred miles down the track. Ben's train broke down before it could even attempt to leave the station.
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Again....you are bothered by Johnson being compared with Brewster....take a step back and really consider the level of dislike you have to have towards Johnson to be bothered by him being compared to another failed coach who gets bashed by the fanbase all the time.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Again....you are bothered by Johnson being compared with Brewster....take a step back and really consider the level of dislike you have to have towards Johnson to be bothered by him being compared to another failed coach who gets bashed by the fanbase all the time.
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Brewster actually accomplished some positive things here. Ben has done nothing but set records for futility.

It has nothing to do with dislike. There is no comparison between the two right now. Pitino is a better comparison to Brewster than Ben.
 

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