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The-Real-Truth said:
A very nice post. I do agree that Tubby should retire soon. However, I think he had a better chance of landing the big3 than Richard did. I think getting him out of here was a mistake and this program will pay for it when both Richard and NT are gone. Some unrealistic expectations were made here since last season. We all see that Richard is not able to recruit here. Therefore, we have to look for a real solution. This is what some of us have been saying. NT kept getting hate emails from a so-called fans like Tiny all the time so he was forced to make such a move. No, I am not in-love with Tubby. Like many of you, I have my opinion. You may not like it but only time can tell who is right. I love the Gophers and I hope they win big soon.

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What color is the sky in your world?
 

Tubby left the program better off than what he inherited, I will give him that. However, it's not bad luck when you have the same type of collapses in Big-ten play, year in and year out. He was making big time bucks and wasn't producing big time results. In no way was I expecting multiple final fours. But only one tourney win in six years is not worth the money he was getting.

I thank Tubby for recruiting kids like the the Hollins' but he also recruited guys like White, Joseph, and Mbakwe as well. When you recruit questionable character kids it's not unlucky when guys like White and Joseph transfer.

As far as Pitino not being able to recruit Minnesota. He has has six months to build relationships with the Big 3. Landing any one of them would have been a huge coup. He should be judged on whether he is able to get Jarvis, Illikainen, and Coffey not Tyus, Reid, and Vaughn.
 

The-Real-Truth said:
A very nice post. I do agree that Tubby should retire soon. However, I think he had a better chance of landing the big3 than Richard did. I think getting him out of here was a mistake and this program will pay for it when both Richard and NT are gone. Some unrealistic expectations were made here since last season. We all see that Richard is not able to recruit here. Therefore, we have to look for a real solution. This is what some of us have been saying. NT kept getting hate emails from a so-called fans like Tiny all the time so he was forced to make such a move. No, I am not in-love with Tubby. Like many of you, I have my opinion. You may not like it but only time can tell who is right. I love the Gophers and I hope they win big soon.

Go Gophers
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What in the world are you talking about? I'm honestly starting to feel bad for you. Judging by the posts you've made on this site I picture you as a person who can barely even function. How can a person's brain possibly work the way yours does? It's astonishing.
 

coolhandgopher said:
The most asinine thing I've ever read on Gopher Hole, which is a considerable statement. Un-flipping-believable.
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station19 said:
What color is the sky in your world?
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GophersOnTheRise said:
What in the world are you talking about? I'm honestly starting to feel bad for you. Judging by the posts you've made on this site I picture you as a person who can barely even function. How can a person's brain possibly work the way yours does? It's astonishing.
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Should we just refer to him as Parski2?:cool02:
 

GophersOnTheRise said:
What in the world are you talking about? I'm honestly starting to feel bad for you. Judging by the posts you've made on this site I picture you as a person who can barely even function. How can a person's brain possibly work the way yours does? It's astonishing.
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Obviously the only "real solution" is to bring Smith back somehow. How would people feel about that? I'm getting closer to seeing that as a viable option if it would have the effect of shutting some of these people up and putting them out of my misery.
 


dpodoll68 said:
The Minnesota basketball fanbase's obsession with Tubby Smith is classless and sad. Guy brings us results we haven't seen in 23 years, and the response is to pink-slip him and piss on the ashes of his Gopher resumé for perpetuity.



Bullsh1t.



When was that, exactly? Oh, that's right - Tubby Smith took the team to 3 NCAA Tournament appearances in 5 years, something achieved by no other Gophers coach ever. If Tubby Smith "sucked giant donkey dongs as a Coach for us", how would you characterize the tenures of his predecessors?
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You like to keep reminding us about the success being the best that we had in the last 23 years. That is true. However, let's recall what the last 23 years included:
1) 3 seasons of Clem Haskins, including a winning B1G season which we never saw under Tubby
2) 6 vacated seasons
3) 7 seasons of Dan Monson which included 5 or 6 seasons of scholarship restrictions (not sure of the scholarship reduction running through 2004 means that it included the 04-05 season or not) and 2 winning B1G seasons
4) 1 season of Jim Molinari
5) 5 seasons of Tubby Smith

In sum, to say that Tubby's last year was our best in 23 years is accurate. However, Tubby Smith was also responsible for 5 of the previous 22 seasons you are comparing it to (5 of the 16 non-vacated seasons). If the best that this program can hope to do is tell me to feel lucky when we have a coach with a 25% winning percentage in NCAA tournament games and a 42.6% B1G winning percentage, because, hey, at least he is better than the previous 17 seasons (12 of which were either vacated, played under scholarship restrictions, or coached by an interim coach), then I need a new basketball team. I believe our program can do better than that, and I am excited to have Pitino here and hope he gets the job done.

While we are talking about Gopher basketball history, Tubby Smith was the first non-interim Gopher coach in the last 41 years to not post a winning record in a B1G regular season, and was the first non-interim Gopher coach without scholarship restrictions to fail to take us to the Sweet 16 in the last 37 years.

I agree that Tubby Smith takes too much hate and vitriol from some people on this board. However, to suggest that he was an indisputable pillar of success while he was here is also unfair.
 

Talk about hatin'! Do you really think I played any role in Tubby being unceremoniously canned?

Was it unrealistic to think that last years team should have finished better than a 3 way tie for 6th in the conference?

Clearly you've been around long enough to know that I'm not afraid to speak out against the masses here at GH, but if anyone is being unrealistic on this thread it has clearly and obviously been you. You are claiming that Richard Pitino is not the "real" solution after three games and 6 months of recruiting. That, TRT is an amazingly unrealistic comment on your part.


The-Real-Truth said:
A very nice post. I do agree that Tubby should retire soon. However, I think he had a better chance of landing the big3 than Richard did. I think getting him out of here was a mistake and this program will pay for it when both Richard and NT are gone. Some unrealistic expectations were made here since last season. We all see that Richard is not able to recruit here. Therefore, we have to look for a real solution. This is what some of us have been saying. NT kept getting hate emails from a so-called fans like Tiny all the time so he was forced to make such a move. No, I am not in-love with Tubby. Like many of you, I have my opinion. You may not like it but only time can tell who is right. I love the Gophers and I hope they win big soon.

Go Gophers
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coolhandgopher said:
The most asinine thing I've ever read on Gopher Hole, which is a considerable statement. Un-flipping-believable.
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At least my opinion is based on my observation, right or wrong. You on the other hand are nothing but a google-user. When you get older, I hope that you can see things on your own not some.
 




The-Real-Truth said:
At least my opinion is based on my observation, right or wrong. You on the other hand are nothing but a google-user. When you get older, I hope that you can see things on your own not some.
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From asinine to cryptic-is being a google user an insult? Should I be using yahoo? netscape? and this statement has me very intrigued-when I get older (!), I hope you can see things on your own not some. . .??? not some what? rational analysis? measured statements? historical data? Have I been duped by these whores all along, when I should have been viewing the world through TRT's eyes instead?
 

with Pitino we have hope and optimism. With the last 3 years of Tubby we had ever decreasing hope and optimism. Now think back to year one of Tubby, 3 games in, we were all convinced he was the perfect coach for the job.
One of the big differences I can make after such a small number of games is that it appears that Coach Pitino is willing to hire coaches that aspire to be head coaches and are willing and able to have some input--Tubby appeared to hire life-time assistants.
I would say that the players look like they are having fun and playing for loose and free also, but it seemed that Tubby played that way early in the year also. Our current players might not look like they are having any fun after the Badgers, Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, Ohio State games either
 

I like the way he s challenging Dre to become better if he wants to be a pro!
 

Minnesconsin fan said:
with Pitino we have hope and optimism. With the last 3 years of Tubby we had ever decreasing hope and optimism. Now think back to year one of Tubby, 3 games in, we were all convinced he was the perfect coach for the job.
One of the big differences I can make after such a small number of games is that it appears that Coach Pitino is willing to hire coaches that aspire to be head coaches and are willing and able to have some input--Tubby appeared to hire life-time assistants.
I would say that the players look like they are having fun and playing for loose and free also, but it seemed that Tubby played that way early in the year also. Our current players might not look like they are having any fun after the Badgers, Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, Ohio State games either
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This is simply not true (bolded statement). There was a lot of optimism going into last season, and even more optimism after some of the early pre-season games. Suddenly things went south again, and Tubby couldn't right the ship...again. In the beginning of every year under Tubby there was a fair bit of optimism. Kind of like now.
 



Not sure if Rich Pitino will be great or not (I'm cautiously optimistic!), but his predecessor had underachieving defenses (little defense of the 3-point line and overly aggressive interior blocking schemes that gave up unnecessary offensive board) and no offensive identity. I would like to see both of those reversed.
 

I disagree with your contention that it was "suddenly." I also disagree with another posters contention that it was "bad luck" that caused things to go bad. We need to state that it was bad coaching that caused things to go bad. The preseason was mostly won by purely better athletes, but there were a number of us who recognized and saw the flaws in Tubby's scheme even in the preseason games. Once we got into the heart of the B1G season we lost because the schemes that Tubby drew up on offense were unsuccessful. Since the kids hadn't changed it can be surmised that the problems laid squarely on Tubby and his staff.

cncmin said:
This is simply not true (bolded statement). There was a lot of optimism going into last season, and even more optimism after some of the early pre-season games. Suddenly things went south again, and Tubby couldn't right the ship...again. In the beginning of every year under Tubby there was a fair bit of optimism. Kind of like now.
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dpodoll68 said:
The Minnesota basketball fanbase's obsession with Tubby Smith is classless and sad. Guy brings us results we haven't seen in 23 years, and the response is to pink-slip him and piss on the ashes of his Gopher resumé for perpetuity.



Bullsh1t.



When was that, exactly? Oh, that's right - Tubby Smith took the team to 3 NCAA Tournament appearances in 5 years, something achieved by no other Gophers coach ever. If Tubby Smith "sucked giant donkey dongs as a Coach for us", how would you characterize the tenures of his predecessors?
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Oh are you offended? Is any discussion of Tubby a challenge of your honor? Poor Dpod, you cannot handle it. You're just a paper tiger. You love to be brash and arrogant, but you cannot take anything at all. Your insecurities and hubris overwhelm you.

By the way, how do you even know he doesn't wish Tubby the best at this moment? Isn't someone's current state of mind something "unproveable?" You certainly love to throw terms like that around to assert your superiority.
 

Speaking of Tubby, Texas Tech is struggling with Texas Southern. They're up 4 late. That's going to be an awful tough rebuild for him.

There might be 2,000 people at the game and I'm not exaggerating.

Check that, there might not be more than 1,500 there.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Speaking of Tubby, Texas Tech is struggling with Texas Southern. They're up 4 late. That's going to be an awful tough rebuild for him.

There might be 2,000 people at the game and I'm not exaggerating.

Check that, there might not be more than 1,500 there.
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If there are 1500 they are sitting beyond camera view. Grim.
 

Tubby will be able to recruit much better athletes at TT than he did at Minnesota which fits in with his style. I predict that he will have a very good run there which will improve with each recruiting class. Do you think that this team with EE, Oto, and King in the paint can beat Texas Tech now? I am not so sure.
 

jumpstop said:
Tubby will be able to recruit much better athletes at TT than he did at Minnesota which fits in with his style. I predict that he will have a very good run there which will improve with each recruiting class. Do you think that this team with EE, Oto, and King in the paint can beat Texas Tech now? I am not so sure.
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Is this some kind of weird joke?
 

jumpstop said:
Tubby will be able to recruit much better athletes at TT than he did at Minnesota which fits in with his style. I predict that he will have a very good run there which will improve with each recruiting class. Do you think that this team with EE, Oto, and King in the paint can beat Texas Tech now? I am not so sure.
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Richmond is a better team than Texas Tech. So yes I do think we could beat Texas Tech.
 

jumpstop said:
Tubby will be able to recruit much better athletes at TT than he did at Minnesota which fits in with his style. I predict that he will have a very good run there which will improve with each recruiting class. Do you think that this team with EE, Oto, and King in the paint can beat Texas Tech now? I am not so sure.
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I can only assume that this is a joke.
 

Ironically, you just state that Tubby's recruits at Minnesota couldn't beat the kids whom Tubby did not recruit at Texas Tech, yet at the same time you state that Tubby will recruit much better athletes. Would you care to work your way out of your own conundrum???

jumpstop said:
Tubby will be able to recruit much better athletes at TT than he did at Minnesota which fits in with his style. I predict that he will have a very good run there which will improve with each recruiting class. Do you think that this team with EE, Oto, and King in the paint can beat Texas Tech now? I am not so sure.
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tinyarch said:
Ironically, you just state that Tubby's recruits at Minnesota couldn't beat the kids whom Tubby did not recruit at Texas Tech, yet at the same time you state that Tubby will recruit much better athletes. Would you care to work your way out of your own conundrum???
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well done-- put him in a box. I am guessing the old "couldn't get the kid into school because of our high standards" excuse is in order
 

Tubby had a very good run here with his type of recruits but he could only bring so many here from out of state and there was a limited supply in state. Tubby had great talent here but having to sign spring recruits due to deflections and lack of consistent high level local talent have left this roster void of talent. This is a tough place to coach as Pitino will discover. As I stated , it will be easier to find and recruit talented athletes that fit his style in Texas than Minnesota. The point guard and power forward on Texas Tech appear to be players and when Tubby has something to work with he has proven to be successful. He should have realized that he could not sustain a high level program here for reasons stated above and left three or four years ago.
 


Pretty hard for Tubby to win with all those deflections.:cool02:
 

Gopherguy0723 said:
Oh are you offended? Is any discussion of Tubby a challenge of your honor? Poor Dpod, you cannot handle it. You're just a paper tiger. You love to be brash and arrogant, but you cannot take anything at all. Your insecurities and hubris overwhelm you.

By the way, how do you even know he doesn't wish Tubby the best at this moment? Isn't someone's current state of mind something "unproveable?" You certainly love to throw terms like that around to assert your superiority.
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What the hell is your problem? Stop following me around and responding to all of my posts, you psychopath.
 


I'll admit I was one of Tubby's biggest supporters on this board but it was time for him to find another school since we seemed to have the same slump every year with a good non-conference record and slumping into the B1G season. Whatever the reason for it he's moved on and fans here need to move on too. I'm optimistic coach P can find a way to motivate through the whole season and not have the same slump as the season goes on. He's a young energetic coach and I think that will rub off on our players and keep them in it the whole season. I support who ever is the coach but I think some of the comments towards the old coach are not necessary and a little over the top. The guy did do well for the gophers while he was here and now it's time for the new coach to take it further.
 

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