Injury Watch: 1/31 - Pitino: Dre out for NW and unlikely for Purdue

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GophersInIowa said:
Probably not dirty, but it's definitely a foul in my opinion. No different than if he had come over and hit him in the upper body, and that would have been a foul for sure. It would be different if the defender was there the whole time but he wasn't.
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Another version of undercutting, which is called all the time under the basket even if it is not intentional.
 

MadtownGopher said:
There was nothing dirty about the play. There definitely shouldn't have been a foul either. It was just ****ty luck. That sort of play happens all the time in basketball and a foul is never called.
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That Dre landed on the back of Gasser's heel was somewhat bad luck. However, kicking someone's legs, whether intentional or not, is a foul. Further, Gasser had no business getting in that area, as he was rolling off of a screen from EE and he was far out of the play when Dre shot the ball. That Gasser was there at all is either bad judgment/sportsmanship on his part; or it was intentional. Every adult ball player in any sport knows the dangers of putting your feet under someone else's when that person is in the air. You can't prove intention, but Gasser is 100% to blame for a crap move on his part.

Gasser didn't even come over and ask if he was ok or apologize, which is the part that really takes the cake. I didn't think I could dislike the Badgers any worse than I already did, but I thought wrong.
 

cncmin said:
That Dre landed on the back of Gasser's heel was somewhat bad luck. However, kicking someone's legs, whether intentional or not, is a foul. Further, Gasser had no business getting in that area, as he was rolling off of a screen from EE and he was far out of the play when Dre shot the ball. That Gasser was there at all is either bad judgment/sportsmanship on his part; or it was intentional. Every adult ball player in any sport knows the dangers of putting your feet under someone else's when that person is in the air. You can't prove intention, but Gasser is 100% to blame for a crap move on his part.

Gasser didn't even come over and ask if he was ok or apologize, which is the part that really takes the cake. I didn't think I could dislike the Badgers any worse than I already did, but I thought wrong.
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I wouldn't have played it any different than Gasser did. It's part of the sport. I'm surprised this is a discussion of a dirty play.
 





MadtownGopher said:
That was much closer to being deliberate than Gasser's. I'm still not sure you can call that a foul in live time though. Maybe if you stop the game and replay it numerous times, otherwise it's just part of the game.
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Let me ask you this way, if a player is runnig through the lane can you jump in his way right before he gets to a spot, cutting him off and ramming into him? This is exactly the same thing. Andre has a right to that space just as if he was running through a previously clear lane. Not to mention it is dangerous for the jump-shooter.
 

GopherJake said:
Let me ask you this way, if a player is runnig through the lane can you jump in his way right before he gets to a spot, cutting him off and ramming into him? This is exactly the same thing. Andre has a right to that space just as if he was running through a previously clear lane. Not to mention it is dangerous for the jump-shooter.
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You can compare/contrast, bring up hypotheticals, and argue it all day long, but it just isn't something that is called at any level unless the defender goes out of their way to show ill-intent.
 





Dre was at the Gopher women's game tonight with Malik Smith and Mo Walker. Maybe that's a good sign.....
 

GopherJake said:
So now we know there are two jackasses: Gasser and Golden13.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/03/14/kobes-right-official-missed-the-call/
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Thanks for bringing a one-off example that proves my point that it's part of the sport. He's closing out on a great shooter and it was the first play of the game. I attribute it to Gasser playing hard to start the game and no ill-intent. This is a typical play i basketball and it's unfortunate that Dre got hurt off of it. Take your Gopher goggles off for a second and relax.
 

GophersOnTheRise said:
Saying a dirty play is a part of the sport doesn't make it a clean play.
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Dirty play shouldn't be part of the sport, although it happens. That's beside the point as I didn't see this as a dirty play. Appearantly I'm in the minority.
 



CentralMNGopher said:
Anyone else watch the replay of the injury and think the Wisc kid slid in underneath Dre after he was already in the air? Looks to me like the defender came in from the side, slid underneath. Should have been a foul, he has to give the shooter room to land.
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It also appeared he came out of a grassy knoll.
 

MadtownGopher said:
You can compare/contrast, bring up hypotheticals, and argue it all day long, but it just isn't something that is called at any level unless the defender goes out of their way to show ill-intent.
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It was actually a 'point of emphasis' in the NBA last year....
 

jaymil said:
What impressed me last night was Malik's ability to drive to the basket and finish. I think he surprised Wisconsin a few times as I'm sure they looked at him strictly as a spot up shooter.
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Wiscy couldn't stop a three toed sloth from driving to the basket so I'm not sure this game is a real good indicator of Malik's dribble drive skills.
 



jmag21 said:
I completely disagree. It was the ol' Bill Laimbeer, leave a foot under the jump shooter trick. It's not always meant to injure, just give the shooter something to think about next time he has a jump shot. It looked 100% intentional to me, and I think it was absolutely a dirty play. I agree that it happens all the time in basketball, without injury occurring, but it's a terrible thing, and should be stopped. A shooter has the right to come down without having the defensive player slide feet under him. Seeing it live and the replays convinced me that Gasser could have boxed him out, he could have stopped, and he intentionally left his foot under there. Again, didn't mean to hurt Dre's ankle, but did intend to slide his foot under and leave it there.
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it WAS intentional
 


Golden13 said:
Dirty play shouldn't be part of the sport, although it happens. That's beside the point as I didn't see this as a dirty play. Appearantly I'm in the minority.
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Not sure whether you're in the 'minority, but if you are, then I'm right there with you.

I mean c'mon, people. I hate the vucking Fadgers just as much as any you and maybe more than most, and so I am naturally predisposed as to never give them the benefit of the doubt, but I can also clearly recognize the difference between what is an incidental play as opposed to what is an intentional one, and an intentional play, this was clearly not, and I have watched it over, and over, and over again, and rather than being a play designed to intentionally injure, I see it as being one of those "Oh sh*t", act of God type plays, just an unfortunate circumstance of place and time. An accident, in other words.

And despite the caterwauling by some on this board to the otherwise, maybe they should take into account the fact that no one who is actually in the really know, neither coaches, nor teammates, nor Andre Hollins himself, has ever even remotely intimated that was the design a dirty play, but rather just a drag an unfortunate turn of events, and one which happens on the court of basketball all too often, as everyone's playing at full speed, and as result of that, injuries, and accidents, and sh*t just tends to happen.
 




BarnBoy said:
Interesting perspective from a local foot doctor. Compares the injury to an injury Kobie suffered awhile back.

Local doctor guy's take.
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Nice marketing tool for the clinic. High profile injury analysis. When my ankle twists next, I'll know where to go.

Also good news that he expects him to be back soon. I'd be more confident if he had actually seen the video, though.
 

station19 said:
That's definitely encouraging.

I do wonder how Andre's absence means more minutes for Mo.
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they play 2 completely positions, not sure it matters either way. If Mo can play like he did against wisconsin, he will get a lot of minutes even when andre is back.
 

Golden13 said:
Thanks for bringing a one-off example that proves my point that it's part of the sport. He's closing out on a great shooter and it was the first play of the game. I attribute it to Gasser playing hard to start the game and no ill-intent. This is a typical play i basketball and it's unfortunate that Dre got hurt off of it. Take your Gopher goggles off for a second and relax.
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I will give you that there is no evidence that it was a purposeful act intended to injure. That said, it was at the very least careless and, I speculate, intentionally so. There's a reason the NBA made this a point-of-emphasis.
 

Regardless of the defender's intent (and I though the replay looked at least suspicious in that regard),why isn't this a foul? If the defender slid under a player driving to the basket,after said player had taken off, that's a foul. Why isn't the same thing a foul on a jumpshot? Intent shouldn't matter.
 

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