Illinois game may not be played

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MaroonShaft said:
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Illinois had to cancel their last game, and their women's team already cancelled their Sunday game. It seems very possible that they won't be able to play.

We had tix to tonight's game. Debating getting tix instead for Sunday's game, but I want to wait a little bit...
 

Pocket gopher22 said:
So sick of this nonsense, does anyone know how many professional and college athletes have died or been hospitalized with the Wuhan lab leak?
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Many athletes actually have symptoms and don't feel well. If the majority of a team had the flu, would you expect them to still play the game? Organizations are also not going to risk potential lawsuits for that rare player that suddenly doesn't shake it easily and has long term impacts to their respiratory system. There are still a lot of unknowns with this virus.
 





ecoperson said:
Many athletes actually have symptoms and don't feel well. If the majority of a team had the flu, would you expect them to still play the game? Organizations are also not going to risk potential lawsuits for that rare player that suddenly doesn't shake it easily and has long term impacts to their respiratory system. There are still a lot of unknowns with this virus.
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Has a team ever had to cancel because too many were sick with the flu? We are creating hypotheticals that were never possible to justify these ridiculous health and safety protocols. Communicable disease has ALWAYS existed, Now that pharma has been able to attach a scary brand to it, we are now super concerned? Ask yourself if you would have provided the same take 2 years ago and you have your answer.
 



ecoperson said:
Many athletes actually have symptoms and don't feel well. If the majority of a team had the flu, would you expect them to still play the game? Organizations are also not going to risk potential lawsuits for that rare player that suddenly doesn't shake it easily and has long term impacts to their respiratory system. There are still a lot of unknowns with this virus.
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This.
 



GopherBlood666 said:
Has a team ever had to cancel because too many were sick with the flu? We are creating hypotheticals that were never possible to justify these ridiculous health and safety protocols. Communicable disease has ALWAYS existed, Now that pharma has been able to attach a scary brand to it, we are now super concerned? Ask yourself if you would have provided the same take 2 years ago and you have your answer.
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Different sport and now more than a century ago, but the 1919 Stanley Cup Final was declared a No Contest due to the Spanish Flu.

1919 Stanley Cup Finals - Wikipedia

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howeda7 said:
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Well, I have been conscience of the sports world for 30 years and can barely remember a single time any team I followed had to cancel a game (probably would have been weather or travel related), let alone cancel because a MAJORITY of the team was sick. There have always been players who may miss a game due to sickness, but it was treated like any other injury. You seem to have a sharper memory, please state the number of Gopher's Basketball games cancelled due to team sickness between 1969-2019. Is it greater than one in 50 seasons?
 

GopherBlood666 said:
Has a team ever had to cancel because too many were sick with the flu? We are creating hypotheticals that were never possible to justify these ridiculous health and safety protocols. Communicable disease has ALWAYS existed, Now that pharma has been able to attach a scary brand to it, we are now super concerned? Ask yourself if you would have provided the same take 2 years ago and you have your answer.
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The flu is a known commodity. COVID is new and appears to have the greater possibility of long-term organ damage. The leagues are just not going to risk it- for their players and for the possibility of litigation. At the end of the day, it's a game. They are not going to assume the risk when there are alternatives such as moving games.
 

GopherBlood666 said:
Well, I have been conscience of the sports world for 30 years and can barely remember a single time any team I followed had to cancel a game (probably would have been weather or travel related), let alone cancel because a MAJORITY of the team was sick. There have always been players who may miss a game due to sickness, but it was treated like any other injury. You seem to have a sharper memory, please state the number of Gopher's Basketball games cancelled due to team sickness between 1969-2019. Is it greater than one in 50 seasons?
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The last truly worldwide pandemic was in 1918. The world has changed in the last century. This is unprecedented for modern times.
 

SelectionSunday said:
For what's it worth, saw it reported only 3 Illinois players are positive along with 1 coach. So if that holds, I suppose there's a chance the game might be played.

But, ya' know, that whole "abundance of caution" thing. ...
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Don't the revised guidelines say if you have 7 players you should play?
 

ecoperson said:
The flu is a known commodity. COVID is new and appears to have the greater possibility of long-term organ damage. The leagues are just not going to risk it- for their players and for the possibility of litigation. At the end of the day, it's a game. They are not going to assume the risk when there are alternatives such as moving games.
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LOL tell that to football players, they are assuming a greater risk every snap than anyone in their demographic dealing with Covid. lt's just another part of the safe space generation. You and others can choose to be unnecessarily scared by listening to worst case scenario takes given by pharma execs trying to sell product. It's just no fun for the rest of us.
 

GopherBlood666 said:
LOL tell that to football players, they are assuming a greater risk every snap than anyone in their demographic dealing with Covid. lt's just another part of the safe space generation. You and others can choose to be unnecessarily scared by listening to worst case scenario takes given by pharma execs trying to sell product. It's just no fun for the rest of us.
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It doesn't matter 'what I and others' think. The decision is made by the powerful leagues and conferences. They are ones that are making the risk/reward analysis. Take your beef up with them. I am just telling you the thought process behind this. This is not some sort of political stunt and nobody is playing scared. I highly doubt the decision makers are going to listen to only one source of information in the form of big pharma. They gather facts and make educated decisions.

Football is a risky sport... for playing the sport. It would be hard for a player to sue the NFL or NCAA for an injury suffered while playing the sport.

We're talking, instead, about a virus that is largely outside of an individual's control. Many athletes are concerned how the virus might impact their long term performance. An athlete with poor lung capacity due to the unknown long-term impacts of the virus is potentially out of a lucrative future career worth millions.

THESE are the lawsuits that decision makers are concerned about. "We played the game despite the league knowing that every other player on the other team had COVID. I got COVID from others during that game. I was a sure-fire first round pick and now I was unlucky enough to get serious symptoms from the disease and can't run up and down the court. The league was negligent as they could/should have postponed or cancelled the game based on the preponderance of information at their disposal."

By the way, football rosters are at least 5 times the size of basketball rosters so there are more back ups should someone be held out or get ill. Football also has specialists who are frequently not in contact with one another which allows for greater opportunities for isolation and less chance for the virus to spread between 'rooms.'
 

ecoperson said:
It doesn't matter 'what I and others' think. The decision is made by the powerful leagues and conferences. They are ones that are making the risk/reward analysis. Take your beef up with them. I am just telling you the thought process behind this. This is not some sort of political stunt and nobody is playing scared. I highly doubt the decision makers are going to listen to only one source of information in the form of big pharma. They gather facts and make educated decisions.
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Decisions based on fear, other sources likely taking money from pharma if they are not pharma themselves. Their investors have an insanely wide reach in the medical community at large. These decisions are not educated. The virus was never as deadly as they speculated and they have been pumping it up to justify their terrible models ever since. Never said this was political, don't understand that comment. My beef is with the conferences obviously, I just don't understand why someone would defend them.

ecoperson said:
Football is a risky sport... for playing the sport. It would be hard for a player to sue the NFL or NCAA for an injury suffered while playing the sport.
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Because it involves contact, and risks are clear. It would be absurd to file a lawsuit for an injury. Just like it would be absurd to sue any sports league for sustaining injury when you voluntarily stepped on the floor.

ecoperson said:
We're talking, instead, about a virus that is largely outside of an individual's control.
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Exactly, so if it is that big of a factor, maybe playing sports in a public venue isn't your thing.

ecoperson said:
Many athletes are concerned how the virus might impact their long term performance.
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Data to suggest any athlete has been affected long term other than speculative discourse? I remember they were claiming heart impacts on that Florida area player last year, have not seen anything else so genuinely asking.

ecoperson said:
An athlete with poor lung capacity due to the unknown long-term impacts of the virus is potentially out of a lucrative future career worth millions.
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An athlete with poor lung capacity likely isn't going pro in basketball, with or without having covid, just saying.

ecoperson said:
THESE are the lawsuits that decision makers are concerned about. "We played the game despite the league knowing that every other player on the other team had COVID. I got COVID from others during that game. I was a sure-fire first round pick and now I was unlucky enough to get serious symptoms from the disease and can't run up and down the court. The league was negligent as they could/should have postponed or cancelled the game based on the preponderance of information at their disposal."
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Who has lost the ability to run a court due to COVID? Does every player on Illinois have Covid? Is this hypothetical based in any reality or just worst case scenario thinking again?

ecoperson said:
By the way, football rosters are at least 5 times the size of basketball rosters so there are more back ups should someone be held out or get ill. Football also has specialists who are frequently not in contact with one another which allows for greater opportunities for isolation and less chance for the virus to spread between 'rooms.'
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Okay, this had nothing to do with why I brought up football, but thanks for sharing your knowledge of locker rooms.
 

It seems that we must be either talking past one another. The leagues and conferences are making business decisions with the best available facts about a new disease about which we know remarkably little. That most sports entities are in alignment tells me that their respective risk analyses must be similar. Because of our lack of knowledge, most of these entities are making risk-based decisions based on an abundance of caution. I don't run business entities with billions of dollars at stake. I have no say in the matter and am willing to let them and their lawyers figure out the best business decision.

Locally, KAT said that he lost 50 pounds with the virus last year. Many doctors believe that the viral infection could damage heart, lungs, and other organs in the long run. We will be learning more about the long-term effects of the disease over time. Sadly, it might be 10-25 years before we know whether those that get sick with the virus suffer these long-term effects. That is all that I have to say. Happy New Year and Go Gophers!
 

Bringing it back on topic, the game was moved to Tuesday at 6 pm.

Now, here is Tom with the weather....
 

GopherBlood666 said:
Decisions based on fear, other sources likely taking money from pharma if they are not pharma themselves. Their investors have an insanely wide reach in the medical community at large. These decisions are not educated. The virus was never as deadly as they speculated and they have been pumping it up to justify their terrible models ever since. Never said this was political, don't understand that comment. My beef is with the conferences obviously, I just don't understand why someone would defend them.
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As of today, there have been 54,349,921 confirmed covid cases and 15,587 deaths in the US. See https://www.bing.com/search?q=covid...sc=8-10&cvid=3dc06f6b21d6472781a649405e68678c

I don't think anyone has overstated the risks.
 
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Not sick, DON’T test. Pretty simple solution. After all, you don’t go to the Doctor for an appendix exam if you don’t have pain.
 

Pete smith said:
Not sick, DON’T test. Pretty simple solution. After all, you don’t go to the Doctor for an appendix exam if you don’t have pain.
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Using the same logic, never change the oil in your car until you have engine problems.

Judging by what I've been told by those that have had an appendcitis, if there were a PM schedule for the ol' appendix to prevent that fun and joy, they would have been all over it long before she got all plugged and inflamed. :)
 

vagopher said:
As of today, there have been 54,349,921 confirmed covid cases and 15,587 deaths in the US. See https://www.bing.com/search?q=covid...sc=8-10&cvid=3dc06f6b21d6472781a649405e68678c

I don't think anyone has overstated the risks.
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Don't be controlled by fear people

Live your life
Don't hide
Eat well
Hit the gym
Go to church
Continue to give out hearty handshakes and hugs when you see people
Of course, If you feel sick stay home
If you want to go to college and play D1 basketball show up for the game
Conferences, let the kids play unless they are ill
U, Let the fans drink and cheer without the idiotic masks (just like they do at other colleges without issues)
If you believe the vaccine is safe, by all means take the vaccine and hope you do not add to the 8,898 people that the CDC says died from it in the US (although they admit the number is probably much higher).

If Illinois cannot field a team due to illness then lets reschedule, if they have most of their players available, lets play!
 

CPTMidnight said:
Don't be controlled by fear people

Live your life
Don't hide
Eat well
Hit the gym
Go to church
Continue to give out hearty handshakes and hugs when you see people
Of course, If you feel sick stay home
If you want to go to college and play D1 basketball show up for the game
Conferences, let the kids play unless they are ill
U, Let the fans drink and cheer without the idiotic masks (just like they do at other colleges without issues)
If you believe the vaccine is safe, by all means take the vaccine and hope you do not add to the 8,898 people that the CDC says died from it in the US (although they admit the number is probably much higher).

If Illinois cannot field a team due to illness then lets reschedule, if they have most of their players available, lets play!
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The CDC reports the number of deaths after vaccination. That does not mean that those deaths were caused by the vaccination. It expressly states that:

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System), even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. More than 496 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through December 20, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 10,688 reports of death (0.0022%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records. Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC
 

vagopher said:
The CDC reports the number of deaths after vaccination. That does not mean that those deaths were caused by the vaccination. It expressly states that:

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System), even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. More than 496 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through December 20, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 10,688 reports of death (0.0022%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records. Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC
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Great, frame it up any way you want. People are smart enough to know that the whole country was at risk and 15k (were reported) as having died, half the country was vaccinated and another 8k (was reported) as having died.

Feel free to jab yourself daily if that is your thing...
 



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