How many games does Claeys have to win, & enthusiasm for the program

[PMWinSTP]

Ya only problem is it's hard to go into a recruits home guarantee that you'll be there for their four years when your contract is down to two. Even a token extension like the one Brew got before his last year solves that issue

Most recruits know there really is no guarantee unless the coach has been there for many years, and the coach/program has history of success. TC is in his first full year as a HC...pretty sure any recruit will factor that into their decision. Can't see an extension at 6 wins...especially with the Pitino affect still very much in play.

 

[PMWinSTP]

It was never ASKED. An opinion about Claeys keeping his job was stated in the first post. There was no "?" used.

To keep his job he probably needs to win 8. We are not talking about a coaching greatness here. With all the hype coming from within the program about the talent level and the easy schedule this team better win 8. If not there are some serious questions to be answered.

Okey dokey. I agree eight wins should be the minimum expectation given the schedule, but he keeps his job with six wins his first year.

 

[PMWinSTP]

Firing Claeys after winning 7 games would be a huge mistake - unless you have some 'top 10/15' name just waiting for you. Alabama fires coaches after 7 wins - not Minnesota. 7 wins is NEVER a bad year at Minnesota. Everybody harps on the easy schedule, but to win more than 7 games we will likely have to beat EVERYONE we are favored against and pull off one significant upset. People discount just how great our back-to-back 8 win seasons were (for a program like ours, obviously there are teams out there that expect more). I've said it before, but give me the option for 7 wins - no more no less - for the next 20 years and I take it in a second.

Enthusiasm, though, is a completely different scenario - I mainly agree that this year will take 8-10 wins to create any noticeable uptick in enthusiasm. But, in the end, the attention of the average Minnesota Meat-Head fan doesn't really concern me that much. I love a good atmosphere as much as the next guy - but results on the field matter SO much more to me than the passive fan's consciousness. I don't think one has anything to do with the other. Let the rubes have their Vikings and Timberwolves...they're simpletons (not all of them, obviously - but have you been to Mankato during training camp?).

+1

 

[LakerFan]

Regular season, enthusiasm would be maintained with 9 wins without IA/WI, 8 with win at WI.

I don't think 7 wins with a Wisconsin win is enough because by the time we get to the WI game people will have given up if we only have 6 wins at that point(and 5 losses). If we roll into Madison with 7 wins and lose, it will be same old gophers for many fans as well.

 

[TruDat]

If I am the AD I want my guy running the show. Claeys has given me (the AD) the perfect out with all the talk about schedules and talent.

 

[GopherWeatherGuy]

He could win 6 and keep his job just fine, even 5. This is his first season for cripes sake. Dump him after his first season and THEN who wants to come?

As it is Nick Saban isn't waiting in the wings and the AD knows it.... let Claeys go and you're talking about reconstruction again. Claeys has a long long leash.

Trying to bring HCs to MN is hard enough, worse if you want to attract someone after dumping a dude after 1 full season.


Anyway:

To draw fan EXTRA fan attention / enthusiasm, pick 3 of 4:

- ~10 Ws

- Win 2 of the 3 Neb, Wisc, Iowa

- Win a bowl game

- Big 10 West Title


I'll be ok with less but I'm buying tickets no matter what so the bar is higher for other fans enthusiasm.

This Claeys 6th season at Minnesota along with 5 other assistant coaches. This is not their first season, and they won't be treated like it's their 1st season.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

This Claeys 6th season at Minnesota along with 5 other assistant coaches. This is not their first season, and they won't be treated like it's their 1st season.

Tell that to the future candidates who look and say "fired that guy after 1 year as HC...."

 

[MaxyJR1]

Tell that to the future candidates who look and say "fired that guy after 1 year as HC...."

No problem. "Our coach stated his expectations for his program and those expectations were not met. We decided to go another direction."

I don't think it will come to this as I think this team will win 9-10 games this year and complete the foundation of what Kill and Claeys started.

 

[PMWinSTP]

Tell that to the future candidates who look and say "fired that guy after 1 year as HC...."

Agreed. It is clear that TC has differing ideas and coaching philosophy as HC running it all. This AD has much bigger issues than whether to fire a first year HC who wins 6 games. Much bigger issues and challenges.

 

[Maximus]

Agreed. It is clear that TC has differing ideas and coaching philosophy as HC running it all. This AD has much bigger issues than whether to fire a first year HC who wins 6 games. Much bigger issues and challenges.

Not if those six wins include a 'shocking' drop in attendance with a big donation increase to follow. We already know attendance is going to drop some from 2015 regardless of results.

 

[PMWinSTP]

Not if those six wins include a 'shocking' drop in attendance with a big donation increase to follow. We already know attendance is going to drop some from 2015 regardless of results.

Respectfully, yes he does, and it's not even close.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

Agreed. It is clear that TC has differing ideas and coaching philosophy as HC running it all. This AD has much bigger issues than whether to fire a first year HC who wins 6 games. Much bigger issues and challenges.

Totally.

People think the AD should be borderline critiquing running plays and ultra short term stuff. Meanwhile he's busy figuring out the accounting, has a basketball program in trouble, a wrestling coach who wouldn't talk to the cops and who has lawyered up pointing fingers, angry hockey fans ... etc.

Barring scandal, Claeys is about as safe as it gets for now.

 

[dpodoll68]

This Claeys 6th season at Minnesota along with 5 other assistant coaches. This is not their first season, and they won't be treated like it's their 1st season.

You keep saying this, and your logic is terrible. It's his first full season as head coach at Minnesota. That is a fact. You can be disingenuous and spin it any way you want, but that is the inarguable fact.

 

[GopherWeatherGuy]

Tell that to the future candidates who look and say "fired that guy after 1 year as HC...."

With the majority of the players being players he and his staff recruited. Far different situation than a coach that would be fired after 1 year with none of his own players.

 

[GopherHomer]

Not if those six wins include a 'shocking' drop in attendance with a big donation increase to follow. We already know attendance is going to drop some from 2015 regardless of results.

Attendance doesn't matter - it's revenue. Someone on another site did the math and laid it out that we would have to have a 10,000 person loss in season tickets to see a drop in revenue. I don't really care who shows up live - it's 2016...it's all about the $$$ being brought in. If the money drops, you will see a decrease in price...otherwise we have to make sacrifices to keep up with the other schools. Whether we're talking about stadium capacity or independent donations, this is a professional sport and we need to keep up with the Jones'. I hate to break it to people, but our new facilities don't vault us anywhere, they simply put us within the same realm of our peers. #poorpurdue.

I really don't care about people being 'priced out' of their tickets - maybe you shouldn't have 10-15 seats at your disposal - you only have one butt. Whether it is a Gopher fan in the seat or a fan of another school, they have no impact except they are giving money to the university. If we have a majority of rival fans in the stands, you can come at me and I'll probably concede that I was wrong...but, for the most part, message board posters place WAY too much importance on who is in the stadium. Money is money.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

With the majority of the players being players he and his staff recruited. Far different situation than a coach that would be fired after 1 year with none of his own players.

Doesn't matter 1st year head coach is 1st year head coach. That program was Jerry's all the way, not TC's. The clock starts when you get to make all the decisions.

 

[GopherWeatherGuy]

Doesn't matter 1st year head coach is 1st year head coach. That program was Jerry's all the way, not TC's. The clock starts when you get to make all the decisions.

Then why does Claeys contract have a minimal buyout in the first year? That's not typical of a 1st year head coach. That's a contract that says prove you can win now, or the new AD will replace you.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

Then why does Claeys contract have a minimal buyout in the first year? That's not typical of a 1st year head coach. That's a contract that says prove you can win now, or the new AD will replace you.

Because he's an unproven 1st year head coach.... that reeks of a guy who took his first HC job.... also the reason you can easily extend him.

 

[PMWinSTP]

Because he's an unproven 1st year head coach.... that reeks of a guy who took his first HC job.... also the reason you can easily extend him.

Ditto. Kind of proves the point we are making.

 

[GopherWeatherGuy]

Because he's an unproven 1st year head coach.... that reeks of a guy who took his first HC job.... also the reason you can easily extend him.

Chris Ash and DJ Durkin are first year head coaches with significant buyouts if they were fired the first year, just like any other first year head coach would have. That's not the case with Claeys. 500k is nothing, making it easy for the Gophers to move on to another coach if he fails this year.

You can easily extend a coach at anytime no matter what his contract is.

 

[mnsportsgeek]

How many games does Claeys have to win, & enthusiasm for the program

I will be upset if we don't win 8. I'm hoping we can win 9.

I don't think he gets fired though unless we miss a bowl game.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

Chris Ash and DJ Durkin are first year head coaches with significant buyouts if they were fired the first year, just like any other first year head coach would have. That's not the case with Claeys. 500k is nothing, making it easy for the Gophers to move on to another coach if he fails this year.

You can easily extend a coach at anytime no matter what his contract is.

Wait, are you trying to prove my point?

 

[TruDat]

Chris Ash and DJ Durkin are first year head coaches with significant buyouts if they were fired the first year, just like any other first year head coach would have. That's not the case with Claeys. 500k is nothing, making it easy for the Gophers to move on to another coach if he fails this year.

You can easily extend a coach at anytime no matter what his contract is.

+1. Plus those coaches were also the choices of the current AD.

 

[GopherWeatherGuy]

Wait, are you trying to prove my point?

What are you talking about? Your point is that Claeys has a long leash while his contract suggests he doesn't.

 

[Taji34]

What are you talking about? Your point is that Claeys has a long leash while his contract suggests he doesn't.

I would peg the low buyout on the fact that Beth was only Interim AD at the time the contract was written, and the whole Pitino dealio with his insanely huge buyout, then on Claeys having a short leash.

 

[Killjoy]

If I am the AD I want my guy running the show. Claeys has given me (the AD) the perfect out with all the talk about schedules and talent.

Thank god you're not the AD then! I doubt very much that he is just waiting to bring in "his" guy. I am also sure he wants Claeys to succeed and will give him a reasonable chance to do so. Changing coaches too quickly is not what Minnesota needs now!

 

[CWCWCW]

Attendance doesn't matter - it's revenue. Someone on another site did the math and laid it out that we would have to have a 10,000 person loss in season tickets to see a drop in revenue. I don't really care who shows up live - it's 2016...it's all about the $$$ being brought in. If the money drops, you will see a decrease in price...otherwise we have to make sacrifices to keep up with the other schools. Whether we're talking about stadium capacity or independent donations, this is a professional sport and we need to keep up with the Jones'. I hate to break it to people, but our new facilities don't vault us anywhere, they simply put us within the same realm of our peers. #poorpurdue.

I really don't care about people being 'priced out' of their tickets - maybe you shouldn't have 10-15 seats at your disposal - you only have one butt. Whether it is a Gopher fan in the seat or a fan of another school, they have no impact except they are giving money to the university. If we have a majority of rival fans in the stands, you can come at me and I'll probably concede that I was wrong...but, for the most part, message board posters place WAY too much importance on who is in the stadium. Money is money.

I disagree. Fans are a huge part of college football.
I've seen many comments where past season ticket holders will cherry pick the games they wish to attend. Pretty soon they end up going to no games because it's just easier to sit in front of the couch. Then, that turns into only watching rivalry games.
Season ticket holders are rare air. Everything has a price. I don't tell people how to spend their money. I don't like it when people tell me how to spend mine.
I'm looking forward to the 2016 season. After over 20 years of renewal, I'll evaluate again next spring.

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[salzie]

I'm already on board. So zero for me

 

[diehard]

Meaning what, exactly?

9-10 is the expectation he has set for this year. To build enthusiasm for the program he need to meet or beat the expectation he has stated. He has to back up his talk with wins on the field and I think he will.

 

[homermn]

9-10 Wins Means (Pre-Season):

Must Wins: Oregon St, Indiana St, Colorado St, @Maryland, Rutgers, @Illionis, Purdue
Best Option: @Penn State, Northwestern, @Wisconsin
Upsets: Iowa, @Nebraska

I see Minnesota being a slight home favorite against Northwestern (Win #8). This has to be our year with Wisconsin (Win #9), I see them being absolutely destroyed by the November 26th game with this year's schedule. Their Homecoming isn't until November 12th if that's any indication of their schedule. Penn State is our best chance to get to #10, I think we beat them at home but tough to do on the road in Happy Valley.
Assuming Iowa doesn't find a way to lose they will be favorites when they come to Minnesota (I always assume we'll beat Iowa, so let's call that the other option at #10). Nebraska is going to be a brutal game to play at night in November, that would be a wonderful upset.