Hilarious SCum rumor on the MSU board

[GoAUpher]

I think Wren subscribes to the Underpants Gnome theory of program resurrection. In fact, I've attached a copy of the business plan he e-mailed to Glen today in the hopes that he might bring Michigan back to its former glory.

 

[gophmeister]

Michigan would never hire an OSU man.

Gary Moeller.

 

[Silvio]

You do know that Bo Schembeckler was an assistant at tOSU under Woody right?

Don't you know the Bo was a "Michigan Man" in the sense that he had no connection to the school until he was hired as their coach. What are you goign to tell me next that Joel Maturi once worked for the University of Wisconsin?

 

[ruralgopher]

You didn't say elite, you said five star. According to Rivals there are 3 five start running backs and 0 five star quarterback's in this year's recruiting classes.

College football is mainly what have you done for me lately. If you notion of winningest program carried weight Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden would be playing in the national championship game every year. Maybe a blue chip kid from Michigan cares about returing the school to the glory days, but it doesn't matter to kids outside the state unless they have a Michigan connection.

RichRod ran an offense that was very friendly to highly athletic running backs and QB's. Where was his immediate impact 5 star running back. If they hire a coach who runs a similiar style offense (and Les Miles most certainly would) there probably won't be playing time at the QB position for two years.

Admittedly I didn't research available 5 star athletes, but I don't think that Mich is beyond the 'what have you done for me lately stage', considering that the NFL is littered with Wolverines, including the #1 overall pick in 2008, the 2010 defensive player of the year, and the best QB in the game (and ever), it isn't like they are talking about glory in the 40's (us), 80's (ND), or even 90's (FSU). Michigan's greatness is still very tangible.

 

[Sparlimb]

May not be as far fetched as it sounds. Carr is a big Mason fan and copied his zone running scheme after getting beat in '05. He lost steam here (after year 7 or 8) but might find more motivation in a new job. He's a known quantity and could succeed at scUM.

I agree. We all saw what Mason could do with 2 star offensivle lineman and some decent finds at running back. Switch that out with star offensive linemen and star running backs with star quarterbacks throwing play action to great receivers. They would be a very good offense, and frankly it is a better offense to run in the Big Ten than the spread option (aka us next year). I don't thnk Mason would have any trouble recruiting defene there either. So I think he could be highly sucessfull. All that said, I really doubt there is any chance Michigan takes him. Miles will be hired and some in LSU will be happy about it. I would be extremely surprised to see anything else happen...

 

[Silvio]

Admittedly I didn't research available 5 star athletes, but I don't think that Mich is beyond the 'what have you done for me lately stage', considering that the NFL is littered with Wolverines, including the #1 overall pick in 2008, the 2010 defensive player of the year, and the best QB in the game (and ever), it isn't like they are talking about glory in the 40's (us), 80's (ND), or even 90's (FSU). Michigan's greatness is still very tangible.

So FSU in past their prime but not Penn State?

 

[dpodoll68]

it is a better offense to run in the Big Ten than the spread option (aka us next year).

Sparlimb is negative and pessimistic about something associated with the Gopher football program? I'm shocked!

 

[Breakin' The Plane]

Arrogant coaches: Bill Belichick, Phil Jackson, Glen Mason. Which one doesn't have the resume to back it up?

 

[ruralgopher]

So FSU in past their prime but not Penn State?

What does Penn State have to do with anything?

 

[Stan The Caddy]

it is a better offense to run in the Big Ten than the spread option (aka us next year).

Right, because Kill's offense is exclusively spread option. Way to pay attention.

 

[Silvio]

What does Penn State have to do with anything?

Clearly nothing as it doesn't work for your side of the argument or would force you to admitt that it is a Big Ten school that probably can't easily regain its past glory.

 

[DMB123]

Mason's a good coach, he would be a good hire for Michigan.

 

[ruralgopher]

Clearly nothing as it doesn't work for your side of the argument or would force you to admitt that it is a Big Ten school that probably can't easily regain its past glory.

I don't think you have really followed my posts. This thread started off about Mase:

First, a bit of background knowledge; there has been much debate about if Mich changes the O philosophy it will set back the rebuilding process because of the type of athlete that RR recruited.

So with that in mind I stated that Mase would make sense because the O-lineman for both systems are similar, a bit on the small side, but athletic.

I also stated that they would be able to recruit 5 star athletes to come in and start immediately. the 5 star point I have conceded, due to lack of reserach, but I maintained that I still felt that Michigan, being the best program in college football history, would still be able to recruit great athletes to step in immediately.

You said something about Miles, which is completely beside the point because this whole thread is about Mase, and then proclaimed that high schoolers don't care that Mich is a powerhouse because they haven't done anything lately.

To this I suggested that lately is a relative term and considering that Wolverines continue to dominate the NFL, they probably maintain more relevence than other programs who have not been elite for awhile.

At this point, and for no apparent reason, you bring up Penn State. Which contrary to the programs I brought up, have not had a coaching change in the last, well, its been awhile.

 

[Silvio]

I don't think you have really followed my posts. This thread started off about Mase:

First, a bit of background knowledge; there has been much debate about if Mich changes the O philosophy it will set back the rebuilding process because of the type of athlete that RR recruited.

So with that in mind I stated that Mase would make sense because the O-lineman for both systems are similar, a bit on the small side, but athletic.

I also stated that they would be able to recruit 5 star athletes to come in and start immediately. the 5 star point I have conceded, due to lack of reserach, but I maintained that I still felt that Michigan, being the best program in college football history, would still be able to recruit great athletes to step in immediately.

You said something about Miles, which is completely beside the point because this whole thread is about Mase, and then proclaimed that high schoolers don't care that Mich is a powerhouse because they haven't done anything lately.

To this I suggested that lately is a relative term and considering that Wolverines continue to dominate the NFL, they probably maintain more relevence than other programs who have not been elite for awhile.

At this point, and for no apparent reason, you bring up Penn State. Which contrary to the programs I brought up, have not had a coaching change in the last, well, its been awhile.

1. The smallish 0-line are not what is considered a "traditional" Michigan lineman nor are they considered "elite or 5 star recruits". Mase would be a terrible fit, defense in Michigan's problem not offense. Mason also gave up after the relative pressure of "coaching" Georgia for a day, how do you think he will handle Michigan fan's expectations for the program?

2. So should Penn State (see how this gets into the conversation) as they have one of the top programs in college football and one of the most successfull college coaches of all time. The in college football is that only a handful of true freshman make immediate impact regardless of their recruiting evaluation. College football is dominated by teams based on quality upperclassmen with occassional immediate impact players at a skill position or two per team.

3. My Miles comment is due to the fact that Michigan is reported to have formed a search group to help the AD. This would indicate that one (or all) of the top candidates have turned them down. Those candidates would most likely be Harbaugh ( is it ok if I bring up his name in this thread or is that sacriligious to Mase?) and Miles. If Michigan continues to dominate the NFL then it doesn't matter who you hire at Michigan, Miami (Fl), USC, ND, FSU, or Iowa.

4. The point with Penn State is that being a helemt school (even one with a stable coaching situation) isn't enough to land a team full of elite players that will bring you right back to past glory.

5. Sometimes conversations evolve and don't stall on a single talking point, no matter how much you want Glen Mason to prove your favorite University wrong for the way they treated him.

 

[Silvio]

Mason's a good coach, he would be a good hire for Michigan.

He would have that defense turned around in no time.

 

[DMB123]

He would have that defense turned around in no time.

With the kind of atheletes he could recruit to Michigan? Yes, he would actually.

Minnesota has had one good coach in the last 40 years and his name is Glen Mason. And he is the reason we now have one of the best stadiums in the country on our campus. The hatred for him on this board is beyond bizarre.

 

[goldengophers]

With the kind of atheletes he could recruit to Michigan? Yes, he would actually.

Minnesota has had one good coach in the last 40 years and his name is Glen Mason. And he is the reason we now have one of the best stadiums in the country on our campus. The hatred for him on this board is beyond bizarre.

I would love to see Smilin's Glen recruit the South.

 

[Silvio]

With the kind of atheletes he could recruit to Michigan? Yes, he would actually.

Minnesota has had one good coach in the last 40 years and his name is Glen Mason. And he is the reason we now have one of the best stadiums in the country on our campus. The hatred for him on this board is beyond bizarre.

Lou Holtz was the one good coach here in the last f40 years. Mason was just the best of the worst, that doesn't mean he was good.

 

[dpodoll68]

With the kind of atheletes he could recruit to Michigan? Yes, he would actually.

What the hell are you talking about? Mason recruited one good class in his entire tenure at Minnesota, and that was coming off the program's only 10-win season in 100 years. He didn't care about recruiting, put little-to-no effort into it, and achieved results commensurate with said effort. Why on earth would he suddenly turn into a super-recruiter (or, for that matter, care about defense) if he got the Michigan job?

Minnesota has had one good coach in the last 40 years and his name is Glen Mason.

Oh please. Mason was a decent coach by Minnesota standards, but he isn't fit to touch the hem of Lou Holtz' garment. You remember him, right? Lou Holtz? The only Minnesota coach to actually hold a HC job post-Dinkytown since Fritz Crisler left in 1931? Hall of Famer and national championship winner? Give me a break.

And he is the reason we now have one of the best stadiums in the country on our campus.

He is a reason, not the reason.

The hatred for him on this board is beyond bizarre.

Very few people on this board actually hate him. Most respect him for what he accomplished here, but the problem is when people deify him as if he were anything more than a middling coach that made a downtrodden program slightly less mediocre. Big deal. He also is worthy of scorn because he got a chance at the big-time and put in so little effort that he should be embarrassed to have drawn a paycheck for the last 4 years of his tenure.

 

[Ole]

With the kind of atheletes he could recruit to Michigan? Yes, he would actually.

Minnesota has had one good coach in the last 40 years and his name is Glen Mason. And he is the reason we now have one of the best stadiums in the country on our campus. The hatred for him on this board is beyond bizarre.

I'll bite.

Just what schematically did Mason EVER show that in your mind would make you think that all he needed was better athletes on his defenses?

He's an average coach with a legacy of giving up huge leads and losing big games with godawful defense.

His work on getting the stadium on campus is commendable, but now that's he's on the air so often I realize how HUGE his ego is, and I can't see many reasons beyond helping himself that he worked so hard on the stadium. He certainly didn't work that hard on hitting the recruiting trail or he'd probably still be around.

He'd get complacent at Michigan after the first victory over a MAC team and quit recruiting there too.

 

[imthewalrus]

If Mason is such a great hire, why hasn't anyone hired him? Do university presidents and athletics directors all over the country know so much less than some poster on a message board? Mason's offense might work, but if you fire RR because of his bad defense, wouldn't you want to hire a coach who has a reputation for good defenses?

And coaches do in fact understand the Michigan - Ohio St rivalry. It's no different than the Minnesota - Iowa rivalry or any other rivalry. The only real difference is that more people pay attention to the Michigan - Ohio State rivalry.

Oh rodentontherampage: You really don't see the difference between the Michigan-Ohio State and the Minnesota-iowa rivalry? How many times has THE GAME been played for either a shot at the NC, a Big Ten Championship, or the chance to go to the Rosebowl????? Now, how many times has the Minnesota-iowa rivalry been played for the same things????? How often has the Minnesota-iowa rivalry game been played in Minneapolis with a minimum number of iowa fans in attendance rather than having it appear as though it is a bowl game with equal numbers of rival fans in the dome/TCF BANK Stadium????? How many times has a HIGHLY successful iowa or Minnesota coach been fired because he can't beat the other school often enough even though he consistantly pounds the crap out of other Big Ten programs????? At OSU, try Cooper...at Michigan try Carr (He won a NC there and Bo never did...but...Bo will forever be beloved because he stood up well in THE GAME long-time series against OSU. Two historic and massive stadiums, each filled with home team fans have always marked the OSU-Michigan rivalry. The HIGHEST of HIGH profile game for decades and decades. Over the course of the history of college football, there is NO better known rivalry game than the Michigan-OSU. Nebraska-Oklahoma was big for a while. It didn't have the staying power though. texas-Oklahoma is big, but for quite a while either texas or Oklahoma was down. Only Army-Navy and perhaps, a while ago, Notre Dame-USC. Florida-FSU was big when both were good in the same year. But NOT as often or as long as Michigan-Ohio State.

Back in 1965 or maybe 1966, I believe it was, MSU and Notre Dame played a game for the NC on the same day as THE GAME. It ended in a tie. It took some of the imelight away from THE GAME. The Big Ten, inspired by the Big Two realized that match-up had detracted from THE GAME and the conference refused to allow out of conference games to be scheduledthat late in the season or after a team had completed their Big Ten schedule. That would insure that THE GAME and the rest of the conference rivalry games would nt be upstaged. How big is THE GAME? It has been REALLY big...it has also been really different than other mere rivalry games.

 

[Ole]

Oh rodentontherampage: You really don't see the difference between the Michigan-Ohio State and the Minnesota-iowa rivalry? How many times has THE GAME been played for either a shot at the NC, a Big Ten Championship, or the chance to go to the Rosebowl????? Now, how many times has the Minnesota-iowa rivalry been played for the same things????? How often has the Minnesota-iowa rivalry game been played in Minneapolis with a minimum number of iowa fans in attendance rather than having it appear as though it is a bowl game with equal numbers of rival fans in the dome/TCF BANK Stadium????? How many times has a HIGHLY successful iowa or Minnesota coach been fired because he can't beat the other school often enough even though he consistantly pounds the crap out of other Big Ten programs????? At OSU, try Cooper...at Michigan try Carr (He won a NC there and Bo never did...but...Bo will forever be beloved because he stood up well in THE GAME long-time series against OSU. Two historic and massive stadiums, each filled with home team fans have always marked the OSU-Michigan rivalry. The HIGHEST of HIGH profile game for decades and decades. Over the course of the history of college football, there is NO better known rivalry game than the Michigan-OSU. Nebraska-Oklahoma was big for a while. It didn't have the staying power though. texas-Oklahoma is big, but for quite a while either texas or Oklahoma was down. Only Army-Navy and perhaps, a while ago, Notre Dame-USC. Florida-FSU was big when both were good in the same year. But NOT as often or as long as Michigan-Ohio State.

Back in 1965 or maybe 1966, I believe it was, MSU and Notre Dame played a game for the NC on the same day as THE GAME. It ended in a tie. It took some of the imelight away from THE GAME. The Big Ten, inspired by the Big Two realized that match-up had detracted from THE GAME and the conference refused to allow out of conference games to be scheduledthat late in the season or after a team had completed their Big Ten schedule. That would insure that THE GAME and the rest of the conference rivalry games would nt be upstaged. How big is THE GAME? It has been REALLY big...it has also been really different than other mere rivalry games.

It's a big event no doubt, but Michigan better figure their crap out or they are going to be the reason the nation stops caring about "The Game". See Notre Dame/USC now.
Michigan is in serious trouble IMO, they are teetering on the brink of national relevancy, one more bad hire and they could drop.

 

[GopherinFlorida]

My brother is a Spartan alum, and he sent me this from the Spartantailgate board:

Ok guys, here's the scoop I heard today. As some of you know, my good friend has a close associate from his days with the Pistons who now works in the scUM athletic department.

Yesterday, the news I got to share with everyone was UM's potential interest in Glen Mason. Well, there is still smoke coming from the Mason story within UM circles. The word I am getting is that it is highly unlikely that Hoke gets this job. The emerging number one target is Les Miles (as I see is being discussed here already). However, Miles will not speak with scUM until after the bowl game Friday night - but it sounds like he will speak with them, which seems to make him a great possibility. Mason is quietly hanging in the wings, and if Miles is not hired, I would put my money on Mason before Hoke right now.

Now, as we learned from our recent coaching search, any post that starts out with "My good friend works at..." is almost certainly BS. And if these bozos insist on hiring a "Michigan Man", I really doubt they hand the reins to a guy who lettered under Woody Hayes. But it is possible that the Hoke and Miles factions in their power base cancel each other out. Not that Glen has a snowball's chance in hell. And given how crappy SCum's defense has been these past 3 years, Mason is the last guy you'd want rebuilding the team.

Eat a giant pile of my steaming shi...t wasteland...you couldn't start a sentence that way because you have no friends.

 

[imthewalrus]

lou hoax was a cheating machine and he left the Gophers after less than two seasons here. The NCAA came investigating and it turned out that under hoax's guidance, there were a number of rather serious violations that left the program on probation. He was more or less hastened out the door at ND, there were problems starting to surface there. At South Carolina he also had a very problematic program. They ditched him at Arkansas. He bailed in mid-season from the Jets. The hem of his garmets are pretty darn soiled, stained and unholy dpodoll. He leaves "stains" no matter where he goes.

 

[achiever]

You didn't say elite, you said five star. According to Rivals there are 3 five start running backs and 0 five star quarterback's in this year's recruiting classes.

Rivals is the arbiter of five star talent? IALTO!

There are seven five star QBs at Scout and one at ESPN.

There are four five star prospects at Scout in addition to the three at Rivals.

Not that any of them would have immediately chosen Michigan if given the option of instant playing time, but I just don't understand the mindset among you rubes that the Rival rankings are somehow gospel.

 

[goldengophers]

Rivals is the arbiter of five star talent? IALTO!

There are seven five star QBs at Scout and one at ESPN.

There are four five star prospects at Scout in addition to the three at Rivals.

Not that any of them would have immediately chosen Michigan if given the option of instant playing time, but I just don't understand the mindset among you rubes that the Rival rankings are somehow gospel.

It's really quite simple, only five star recruits become great college players

 

[ruralgopher]

1. The smallish 0-line are not what is considered a "traditional" Michigan lineman nor are they considered "elite or 5 star recruits". Mase would be a terrible fit, defense in Michigan's problem not offense. Mason also gave up after the relative pressure of "coaching" Georgia for a day, how do you think he will handle Michigan fan's expectations for the program?

2. So should Penn State (see how this gets into the conversation) as they have one of the top programs in college football and one of the most successfull college coaches of all time. The in college football is that only a handful of true freshman make immediate impact regardless of their recruiting evaluation. College football is dominated by teams based on quality upperclassmen with occassional immediate impact players at a skill position or two per team.

3. My Miles comment is due to the fact that Michigan is reported to have formed a search group to help the AD. This would indicate that one (or all) of the top candidates have turned them down. Those candidates would most likely be Harbaugh ( is it ok if I bring up his name in this thread or is that sacriligious to Mase?) and Miles. If Michigan continues to dominate the NFL then it doesn't matter who you hire at Michigan, Miami (Fl), USC, ND, FSU, or Iowa.

4. The point with Penn State is that being a helemt school (even one with a stable coaching situation) isn't enough to land a team full of elite players that will bring you right back to past glory.

5. Sometimes conversations evolve and don't stall on a single talking point, no matter how much you want Glen Mason to prove your favorite University wrong for the way they treated him.

You continue to completely miss the point I was trying to make, which is this:

If there is concern about Mich going through another 3 years of total rebuild because RR recruits wouldn't fit in a pro style offense, Mase would be a good choice because many of the recruits and players would fit in nicely. The ones that wouldn't (Robinson, perhaps) would be replaceable by stud recruits, which would likely be interested in coming to Michigan with an opportunity to start right away.

As to the bold point, I am not in any way, shape, or form a Mase supporter. I think he quit on my favorite university long before he was fired.

 

[Silvio]

Rivals is the arbiter of five star talent? IALTO!

There are seven five star QBs at Scout and one at ESPN.

There are four five star prospects at Scout in addition to the three at Rivals.

Not that any of them would have immediately chosen Michigan if given the option of instant playing time, but I just don't understand the mindset among you rubes that the Rival rankings are somehow gospel.

I picked the rivals site as that was the first that jumped into my mind. My point was simply that those elite players will need to be recruited heavily and not the slam dunk to Michigan that ruralgopher suggested.

 

[Silvio]

You continue to completely miss the point I was trying to make, which is this:

If there is concern about Mich going through another 3 years of total rebuild because RR recruits wouldn't fit in a pro style offense, Mase would be a good choice because many of the recruits and players would fit in nicely. The ones that wouldn't (Robinson, perhaps) would be replaceable by stud recruits, which would likely be interested in coming to Michigan with an opportunity to start right away.

As to the bold point, I am not in any way, shape, or form a Mase supporter. I think he quit on my favorite university long before he was fired.

Here is the counterpoints to your point.

The type of player that Mason recruits and uses in his system (outside runningback) are not the high level recruits you speak of. Mason has never shown an ability to recruit or coach up the defensive side of the ball, which is Michigan's current problem.

I understand your point. It is interesting, but wrong.

 

[Foster]

Am I the only one that thinks Mason could do some damage at Michigan? He would develop a run game and cram it down our throats when we play against Michigan.