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benlaur said:
Of course you don't! You might like it better if the Gophers were reeling in some better talent.

I don't like the thought of players having to sit out because leaving a bad situation for themselves or pursuing a better one should be viewed negatively in any way shape or form. I certainly understand your point though!
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It is quite possible that it may be nearly impossible to develop a minimum NCAA tournament-type program in the Big Ten when you have a very poor record and hardly a whiff of any NIL money. This is a very challenging combination, and with these last defections (and even worse if Cooper leaves), the pressure on Johnson to get quality portal players who are at a Big Ten level is enormous. So far, his high school recruiting was his strength, and his portal recruiting has not been promising.

Johnson will need a whole lot of things to fall into place to have any success next year, and things "falling into place perfectly" don't happen very often. So can all of the remaining freshmen improve before next year, can Ihnen and Fox buck the odds and contribute, can Christie be a difference-maker, and can Ben find quality players in the portal? All of these things are possible, but if I was a betting guy...
 

cjbfbp said:
Unless he follows Evans to Louisville, I kind of doubt he'll get much attention from high majors. We paid attention to him and saw his positive development through the latter part of the season but his overall numbers weren't very good for a player who played a lot of minutes, even for a freshman player. His PER was 7.4 for the full season (improved to 9.5 in conference but even that's not very good). His true shooting percentage was .462 for the season and almost the same in conference.

To put these numbers in perspective, there were 219 FRESHMAN GUARDS who played 300 minutes or more who had a true shooting percentage of .462 or better this season and 231 who had a PER of 7.4 or better.

I agree that he could end up in the Mountain West.
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I think he’s getting bad advice from this AAU coach, and thinks he is much better than he is. He is terrible defensively, and out of control offensively. Those both can improve, but he felt he should be getting more time than he had earned this year. He’s getting poor advice.
 

Holy Man said:
Is anyone saying St. Thomas will be a U farm team? If they are, they must be on my ignore list.

I’ll guarantee you that U donors have far deeper pockets and there are far more of them than St. Thomas has. Exponentially more alumni and worldwide connections and influence give the U a huge advantage. The urban legend of St. Thomas being overflowing with wealth is patently false. If the U chooses not to pursue that for use in sports, that’s a decision they make.

The difference between the two now is that St. Thomas, correctly or not, sees sports as a way to expand their brand and reputation nationally. Thus, they will pay attention to them unlike the U administration. It’s not about resources.
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I think what I was getting at, is that UST has donors that will gift to the school specifically for sports facilities - i.e. a new arena. UND had that in Englestad (scumbag that he was). The S.D. schools get a ton from T. Denny, specifically for sports.

The U needs a big time athletic booster. They don't have that.
 


Holy Man said:
The moveable barrier of a sit out year allows them to go but actually ponder it more and decide if the risk is worth it. I really believe making a decision while one is miserable is a poorly timed decision and contributes to impulsive decisions. Seeing something through and experiencing success is a good lesson.
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I get your point, but sometimes people do not understand the true cost of that barrier.

If it were exceedingly a net benefit, it would apply to all aspects of life, including employment. I simply don't understand why people have this special carve out of thinking for athletics, specifically targeted at the kids. Sometimes people simply know they will not be happy in a situation or a coach exceedingly misrepresented something and they should be allowed to be happy and prosper without being penalized for seeking happiness or a better situation.
 


Holy Man said:
Yes, but will that be sustained after a once in a generation type player is no longer there? I think they stay good, but don’t replicate two tournaments every three years and being giant killers once in a while.
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Everyone complains about transfers, yet Oral Roberts has been able to keep Abmas for 4 years.
 







Formerswish said:
It is quite possible that it may be nearly impossible to develop a minimum NCAA tournament-type program in the Big Ten when you have a very poor record and hardly a whiff of any NIL money. This is a very challenging combination, and with these last defections (and even worse if Cooper leaves), the pressure on Johnson to get quality portal players who are at a Big Ten level is enormous. So far, his high school recruiting was his strength, and his portal recruiting has not been promising.

Johnson will need a whole lot of things to fall into place to have any success next year, and things "falling into place perfectly" don't happen very often. So can all of the remaining freshmen improve before next year, can Ihnen and Fox buck the odds and contribute, can Christie be a difference-maker, and can Ben find quality players in the portal? All of these things are possible, but if I was a betting guy...
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No doubt things have not been too reassuring so far! It certainly would have made the road easier to start off stronger.
 


benlaur said:
I get your point, but sometimes people do not understand the true cost of that barrier.

If it were exceedingly a net benefit, it would apply to all aspects of life, including employment. I simply don't understand why people have this special carve out of thinking for athletics, specifically targeted at the kids. Sometimes people simply know they will not be happy in a situation or a coach exceedingly misrepresented something and they should be allowed to be happy and prosper without being penalized for seeking happiness or a better situation.
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It’s not really a special carve out for sports. There are lots of barriers to movement in employment, non-compete clauses, etc. There are reasons that financial transactions require co-signers that are not only financial. There are risks to the person making the decision and the ones effected by it. The virtually consequence free transfer rule impacts more than just the player himself. If they want contracts, the responsibility has to go both ways. I’m not seeing that now.
 





benlaur said:
I get your point, but sometimes people do not understand the true cost of that barrier.

If it were exceedingly a net benefit, it would apply to all aspects of life, including employment. I simply don't understand why people have this special carve out of thinking for athletics, specifically targeted at the kids. Sometimes people simply know they will not be happy in a situation or a coach exceedingly misrepresented something and they should be allowed to be happy and prosper without being penalized for seeking happiness or a better situation.
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benlaur, I see your point. But, let's look at it in the bigger picture. A player can literally transfer anytime he/she wants. I transfered. Yes, I paid a penalty. Not all of my credits transfered. These student athletes are getting a free ride #1. So basically 20-30K per year in free college. There are SOME rules. I mean if you are going down that road maybe we shoudn't require them to go to class. What about coaches? Should Ben get a raise, extra scholly's, a new gym because 2 guys on scholly got hurt?(Ihnen/Fox). I mean that's not fair, right? Do all the Texas players get an extra year of playing time because Beard got canned? Life/college/athletics is/aren't fair. Know the rules, understand the rules and roll the dice.
 

Holy Man said:
It’s not really a special carve out for sports. There are lots of barriers to movement in employment, non-compete clauses, etc. There are reasons that financial transactions require co-signers that are not only financial. There are risks to the person making the decision and the ones effected by it. The virtually consequence free transfer rule impacts more than just the player himself. If they want contracts, the responsibility has to go both ways. I’m not seeing that now.
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Non-compete clauses rarely keep someone from leaving an organization and are typically geared towards leadership. Leadership in your example, would be the coach, not the players.

According to the BLS, employee turnover is greater than 50%, so the labor market is far more fluid than the transfer market. The labor market is also older and wiser than the 18-23 year-olds playing sports.
 

bga1 said:
Correct, but we are not dumping big dollars on individual players...
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This is where you recruit confident risk takers. A guy who comes into this situation and is the face of a turnaround will have significant value to people looking for face for their product or organization locally or maybe even nationally. The catch that he needs to prove himself first. Unlike guys getting deals before doing anything on the court.
 

benlaur said:
Non-compete clauses rarely keep someone from leaving an organization and are typically geared towards leadership. Leadership in your example, would be the coach, not the players.

According to the BLS, employee turnover is greater than 50%, so the labor market is far more fluid than the transfer market. The labor market is also older and wiser than the 18-23 year-olds playing sports.
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NCC's also often do not hold up in court when challenged.
 

benlaur said:
Non-compete clauses rarely keep someone from leaving an organization and are typically geared towards leadership. Leadership in your example, would be the coach, not the players.

According to the BLS, employee turnover is greater than 50%, so the labor market is far more fluid than the transfer market. The labor market is also older and wiser than the 18-23 year-olds playing sports.
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Good point. But the older and wiser image suggests barriers that might prevent impulsive decisions would help more than hurt players.
 

bga1 said:
Correct, but we are not dumping big dollars on individual players...
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Do we have a Phil Knight, who can (allegedly) drop half a million to get a football player to transfer from Minnesota to Oregon?
 


Holy Man said:
It’s not really a special carve out for sports. There are lots of barriers to movement in employment, non-compete clauses, etc. There are reasons that financial transactions require co-signers that are not only financial. There are risks to the person making the decision and the ones effected by it. The virtually consequence free transfer rule impacts more than just the player himself. If they want contracts, the responsibility has to go both ways. I’m not seeing that now.
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Ultimately the ticket (and subscription) paying fan will have to weigh in. As things stand there is no penalty for the free-for-all insanity that has become college basketball.
 

Block M said:
Ultimately the ticket (and subscription) paying fan will have to weigh in. As things stand there is no penalty for the free-for-all insanity that has become college basketball.
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And I don't believe there will be - at least not from the NCAA. They're basically neutered at this point.
 

Big Dawg said:
benlaur, I see your point. But, let's look at it in the bigger picture. A player can literally transfer anytime he/she wants. I transfered. Yes, I paid a penalty. Not all of my credits transfered. These student athletes are getting a free ride #1. So basically 20-30K per year in free college. There are SOME rules. I mean if you are going down that road maybe we shoudn't require them to go to class. What about coaches? Should Ben get a raise, extra scholly's, a new gym because 2 guys on scholly got hurt?(Ihnen/Fox). I mean that's not fair, right? Do all the Texas players get an extra year of playing time because Beard got canned? Life/college/athletics is/aren't fair. Know the rules, understand the rules and roll the dice.
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Big Dawg said:
"benlaur, I see your point. But, let's look at it in the bigger picture. A player can literally transfer anytime he/she wants. I transfered. Yes, I paid a penalty. Not all of my credits transfered. These student athletes are getting a free ride #1. So basically 20-30K per year in free college. There are SOME rules."
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There were some rules and the rules changed. You don't like the new rules, I like them. Just like any rule, there will always be idiots who abuse them. Put something on paper, and someone will cheat it or abuse it...guaranteed.

"I mean if you are going down that road maybe we shoudn't require them to go to class. "
Currently, going to school to be eligible for NCAA play is a rule. Seems fair.

"What about coaches? Should Ben get a raise, extra scholly's, a new gym because 2 guys on scholly got hurt?(Ihnen/Fox). "
Ben Johnson is making a lot of guaranteed money and his contract is quite specific. No he should not get anymore per his contract or common sense. As I have stated, who ever gave him the contract should be blushing, even if he had 5x more wins. Negotiation is based on leverage and risk reward, clearly all of that was reduced to a matrix and a silly one.

"I mean that's not fair, right? Do all the Texas players get an extra year of playing time because Beard got canned? Life/college/athletics is/aren't fair. Know the rules, understand the rules and roll the dice."
According to the rules, players can transfer. It sounds like you liked the old rules and you do not like the new rules.
 

Block M said:
Ultimately the ticket (and subscription) paying fan will have to weigh in. As things stand there is no penalty for the free-for-all insanity that has become college basketball.
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Bingo! My limited communication with U athletic department suggests I have little influence and they don’t care. I’m a long time “subscriber “ but a limited donor. My voice means nothing. But enough of us together might create a reason for them to listen.
 


USAF said:
The entire sad Samuels situation, from the day Johnson wasted a spot on him, was a bad indication of Johnson's potential.
Actually playing him was inexcusable.
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He didn't just play. He started many games. Now we have 4 or 5 or more spots to fill with similar players.
 


benlaur said:
There were some rules and the rules changed. You don't like the new rules, I like them. Just like any rule, there will always be idiots who abuse them. Put something on paper, and someone will cheat it or abuse it...guaranteed.

"I mean if you are going down that road maybe we shoudn't require them to go to class. "
Currently, going to school to be eligible for NCAA play is a rule. Seems fair.
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"going to school" - I bet there are a lot of Jan Ganglehoff's running around these days and now the players can just pay from their own stash.
benlaur said:
"What about coaches? Should Ben get a raise, extra scholly's, a new gym because 2 guys on scholly got hurt?(Ihnen/Fox). "
Ben Johnson is making a lot of guaranteed money and his contract is quite specific. No he should not get anymore per his contract or common sense. As I have stated, who ever gave him the contract should be blushing, even if he had 5x more wins. Negotiation is based on leverage and risk reward, clearly all of that was reduced to a matrix and a silly one.

"I mean that's not fair, right? Do all the Texas players get an extra year of playing time because Beard got canned? Life/college/athletics is/aren't fair. Know the rules, understand the rules and roll the dice."
According to the rules, players can transfer. It sounds like you liked the old rules and you do not like the new rules.
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The new rules will ruin the product and are now doing so.
 

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