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stocker08 said:
I'll wait until the Big East comes calling. Right now....they are an average team in a terrible conference. Probably one of the worst AQs this year.
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are you saying Oral Roberts is one of the worst automatic qualifiers?
-Net Ranking is 36
-KenPom is 55
#23th adjusted offense in the country
#107 adjusted defense in the country
#7th best assist / turnover ratio in the country
#10th best effective FG % in the country
#14th best FT% in the country

-11-4 on the road
-3-0 in Neutral games
0-4 quad 1 (lost 78-70 @ St. Mary's *not a terrible loss, got crushed by Houston (not horrible loss as Houston is really good, Lost @ New Mexico by 7 (not a good loss), Lost @ Utah State by 10 - these games were all on the road

They are not the worst automatic qualifier...you just are trying to argue against the Summit League, this is a losing argument
 


bga1 said:
Not unexpected but this is a gut punch. We just have to build a better program where people want to be. If Ben is going to be the one to do this, I can't see him surviving more than one of these this year among his core group. This has to be it.

I am beginning to dislike college basketball- a lot.
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Easy come, easy go, but yes, college basketball is a mess. The product is terrible and NIL and transfer rules have destabilized rosters to the point of absurdity. At some point you would think the viewing public would tune out and the billion dollar TV deals would dry up, but it has not happened yet. Curious to see what happens if/when the NBA eliminates the 1-year post HS rule, which would remove most of the high end talent from the college game.
 




the latest stats I could find said that over 300 D1 teams lost guys to the portal. It would be weird if we didn't lose guys to the portal. With very few redshirts in P6 conferences anymore it is rare that any school doesn't turn over their whole roster every 3 or 4 years. Ben had better get on board. He needs to be recruiting basically constantly.
 

jamiche said:
I'm not sure if it would have changed the Henley transfer plan but Ben's decision to play Samuels over both Henley and Carrington for most of the year was inexplicable. Yes, Henley made a ton of mistakes. However, he represented upside. Samuels game was more mature but there was no upside and he didn't help generate victories.
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I agree that Samuels didn’t offer much but Henley was a hot mess for a while and probably needed his minutes cut back some. I think it maybe took a little pressure off him and he played much better late in the season. Unfortunately in todays transfer portal world you can’t bench a player without risking him leaving the program.
 

Block M said:
Easy come, easy go, but yes, college basketball is a mess. The product is terrible and NIL and transfer rules have destabilized rosters to the point of absurdity. At some point you would think the viewing public would tune out and the billion dollar TV deals would dry up, but it has not happened yet. Curious to see what happens if/when the NBA eliminates the 1-year post HS rule, which would remove most of the high end talent from the college game.
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I highly doubt that. Where is all this high end talent (let's call it 10 guys a year going to play)...there are only so many spots in the NBA. I think you will see it go back to maybe the top 3 guys get drafted, everyone else does the 1 and done, or G-league. The NBA cannot support 10-15 HS kids going pro on a yearly basis. There are to many veterans...and those veterans make up the CBA...they want to keep their jobs.
 

For those saying UST is going to be a farm team for the Gophers, think again. They have something that Gopher hoops does not have. Wealthy alumni and boosters that are willing to shell out big bucks to make that team into a winner. I agree, the Summit League is a stepping stone to bigger things for them.

The NCAA isn't going to go back to a sit a year for transfers. They'd get sued, and they'd lose again. NIL and unlimited transfers is the world we live in. It's not about culture, it's about money. Too many people here are still naive to the new reality.
 



Block M said:
Easy come, easy go, but yes, college basketball is a mess. The product is terrible and NIL and transfer rules have destabilized rosters to the point of absurdity. At some point you would think the viewing public would tune out and the billion dollar TV deals would dry up, but it has not happened yet. Curious to see what happens if/when the NBA eliminates the 1-year post HS rule, which would remove most of the high end talent from the college game.
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Plenty of bad programs are getting better with it. Why do people keep being apologists and just giving excuses for the admin and CBJ? Oh its too hard, its not fair, its crooked, its blah blah blah; everyone is playing by the same rules, figure it out, and if they can't find someone who can.
 

DarthGopher said:
I'm from the St. Cloud area originally. It is really important - to the people of St. Cloud. My brother is a Mankato fan. Super important - to Mankato.

As far as statewide interest, not quite the same draw.

UMD has won, and I was happy for them. SCSU and Mankato - still 0'fer.

The biggest difference - as a MN fan I'm happy if another MN school does well, but will always root for MN over any other MN school. As an SCSU or Mn State fan, they seem obsessed with seeing the Gophers fail. Mankato came close last year with a team of grown men and a doped up goalie, but I digress. Kind of hard to fathom a 26 year old is at Mankato for the educational transformation. Are they even required to take classes? :)
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Nm.
 

golfing18now said:
I can certainly understand the rationale for allowing student athletes to transfer without having to sit out and for them to have the ability to do NIL deals. But after watching it play out for a couple years now, I haven't changed my original opinion of either. It ultimately hurts college athletics from a fan's perspective. Hard to watch players you invest in leave so freely.
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Shouldn't the game be more for the 18 to 23 year olds who play it? Personally it seems strange to think a "kid" can't leave a school for a better personal situation because of the fans.
 

benlaur said:
Shouldn't the game be more for the 18 to 23 year olds who play it? Personally it seems strange to think a "kid" can't leave a school for a better personal situation because of the fans.
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Sure. Both statements can be true. I'm resigned to the fact that this is the future of college basketball. But that doesn't mean I have to like it.
 



LongLiveMilesTarver said:
I would absolutely hate to be a college coach these days.
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I would love it. The game is about the kids playing it. Do a great job and you will attract talent. Don't do a great job and let that talent go to where it gets the highest return.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
On Henley - several weeks ago, Ryan James in a podcast said that the AAU Coach (Kool Aid) was complaining that Henley wasn't getting enough playing time. I don't remember if Kool Aid was complaining directly to Johnson, but if James knew about it, it was clearly out there.

Kool Aid is also strongly rumored to be one of the people who was pushing Evans to renege on his commitment to MN and go after more NIL $$ on the open market.

So, a guy who clearly has a lot of influence on these players told Evans to leave, and he left. What do you suppose he was saying to Henley?

When Evans reneged, Henley was as good as gone. and now he's gone.

did he have potential? Certainly.
does his leaving cripple the program. No bleepin' way.
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I can’t help but feel sorry for the kid if he’s taking advice from his old coach.

When he showed up he knew absolutely nothing about basketball. This year he ended looking like he might become a player with assumed spring/ summer work.

I can only a imagine Kool-Aid Perry’s practices consist of watching an “And 1 mixtape,” then going out and chucking shots at the hoop, while he talks about how he once played against “The King” and “Duck Johnson.”

Now he has to start over, with what appears to be a competent skill set for an incoming freshman; except he’s a sophomore. Jaden- you should have stayed with the coaches that actually taught you basketball skills.
 

disco said:
For those saying UST is going to be a farm team for the Gophers, think again. They have something that Gopher hoops does not have. Wealthy alumni and boosters that are willing to shell out big bucks to make that team into a winner. I agree, the Summit League is a stepping stone to bigger things for them.

The NCAA isn't going to go back to a sit a year for transfers. They'd get sued, and they'd lose again. NIL and unlimited transfers is the world we live in. It's not about culture, it's about money. Too many people here are still naive to the new reality.
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Is anyone saying St. Thomas will be a U farm team? If they are, they must be on my ignore list.

I’ll guarantee you that U donors have far deeper pockets and there are far more of them than St. Thomas has. Exponentially more alumni and worldwide connections and influence give the U a huge advantage. The urban legend of St. Thomas being overflowing with wealth is patently false. If the U chooses not to pursue that for use in sports, that’s a decision they make.

The difference between the two now is that St. Thomas, correctly or not, sees sports as a way to expand their brand and reputation nationally. Thus, they will pay attention to them unlike the U administration. It’s not about resources.
 

benlaur said:
Shouldn't the game be more for the 18 to 23 year olds who play it? Personally it seems strange to think a "kid" can't leave a school for a better personal situation because of the fans.
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I thought the system was the best when decisions had consequences and rewards. That way you were more likely to choose a destination for better reasons like - the right school, the right coach and the right fit. When a better offer came along, there was the chance to take it, but for a cost.

This new system is all about everyone getting what they can for themselves. Who cares about team mates, coaches, commitments and sticking to things when a person can get right away what feels good to good old #1. It's just like our society as a whole. What could go wrong?
 


golfing18now said:
Sure. Both statements can be true. I'm resigned to the fact that this is the future of college basketball. But that doesn't mean I have to like it.
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Of course you don't! You might like it better if the Gophers were reeling in some better talent.

I don't like the thought of players having to sit out because leaving a bad situation for themselves or pursuing a better one should be viewed negatively in any way shape or form. I certainly understand your point though!
 

Roland Brooks said:
Duke -6.5 over Oral Roberts says it all.. Oral Roberts is viewed as legit. I agree.
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Yes, but will that be sustained after a once in a generation type player is no longer there? I think they stay good, but don’t replicate two tournaments every three years and being giant killers once in a while.
 

bga1 said:
I thought the system was the best when decisions had consequences and rewards. That way you were more likely to choose a destination for better reasons like - the right school, the right coach and the right fit. When a better offer came along, there was the chance to take it, but for a cost.

This new system is all about everyone getting what they can for themselves. Who cares about team mates, coaches, commitments and sticking to things when a person can get right away what feels good to good old #1. It's just like our society as a whole. What could go wrong?
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Many coaches sell things they don't or can't supply. Should the players have to "suffer" for it? Are there consequences for the coaches who are compensated and guaranteed $milllions or just the players? Coaches go to a new team without sitting out. The same and more should apply to the players who are not paid or guaranteed payment regardless of outcome.
 

benlaur said:
Many coaches sell things they don't or can't supply. Should the players have to "suffer" for it? Are there consequences for the coaches who are compensated and guaranteed $milllions or just the players? Coaches go to a new team without sitting out. The same and more should apply to the players who are not paid or guaranteed payment regardless of outcome.
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I think that if the coach goes, the kid gets to go with no sit out. Otherwise, you break your deal you pay with the sit out. This might help reduce the churn in the coaching world as well.
 

LongLiveMilesTarver said:
Almost every recruit says they are looking for the best culture and best relationship with the coach. No one cares about culture. It's all about money and winning.
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Most people are great about talking about culture and slopping it on a tshirt and thinking that is culture. Not implying anything about MN. True winning culture is more than a slogan or words and it almost always produces unexpected results to the upside from a W/L perspective.
 

bga1 said:
I think that if the coach goes, the kid gets to go with no sit out. Otherwise, you break your deal you pay with the sit out. This might help reduce the churn in the coaching world as well.
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How about the kid goes the coach can go? I don't think a kid should be forced to be miserable if the have a miserable coach...there is no way to color that for me to make any sense.

Any truly good coach is in it for the kids and if the kid is not happy, you say good luck, let me know how I can help you. If you are not that secure in yourself, you are never going to be a great coach. Even if you are great, sometimes things just don't fit. Things happen. Be merry and move on.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Notice the only REAL U of MN fans (MNJay, Menno) also are the ones who are the least optimistic about the program.

It's impossible to win. No one can do it.

They are so dug in on on their atrocious takes that the reality that they ignored creates an almost existential breakdown in their fandom because it's impossible that Ben Johnson is just a sh!tty coach.
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Anyone can win anywhere. Anyone can lose anywhere. It all depends on the anyone.
 

bga1 said:
I think that if the coach goes, the kid gets to go with no sit out. Otherwise, you break your deal you pay with the sit out. This might help reduce the churn in the coaching world as well.
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If the players want contracts, they should have them. But contracts go both ways. The clamoring for consequence free transfers seems to ignore what they do to institutions and programs. If they sign with a team they need to be in for a committed length of time and not be able to leave without consequence just because they want to.
 


benlaur said:
How about the kid goes the coach can go? I don't think a kid should be forced to be miserable if the have a miserable coach...there is no way to color that for me to make any sense.

Any truly good coach is in it for the kids and if the kid is not happy, you say good luck, let me know how I can help you. If you are not that secure in yourself, you are never going to be a great coach. Even if you are great, sometimes things just don't fit. Things happen. Be merry and move on.
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The moveable barrier of a sit out year allows them to go but actually ponder it more and decide if the risk is worth it. I really believe making a decision while one is miserable is a poorly timed decision and contributes to impulsive decisions. Seeing something through and experiencing success is a good lesson.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
If the guy who couldn't get a job at Northern Illinois or Montana State can't win here, it's crazy to think a qualified candidate could have any success.
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There is no hope. Start a men's volleyball team and burn down the barn.
 

Holy Man said:
Yes, but will that be sustained after a once in a generation type player is no longer there? I think they stay good, but don’t replicate two tournaments every three years and being giant killers once in a while.
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Not saying they are a good program. They are a good team (over the last 3 years). I assume their coach leaves and Abmas also leaves for NBA or portal to a Duke level program
 

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