Gophers not out of Big Ten West race, but Badgers now in control

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  • That leaves the Gophers (4-3), who have the tiebreaker over Purdue. To make it to Indy, Minnesota needs to win at Indiana next week and at home against Wisconsin, plus have Iowa drop both its remaining games.
"We've got two games left, and we don't control our own destiny anymore,'' Gophers coach P.J. Fleck said. "However, if this [Iowa] team stumbles and [we] win out, we've got a chance. That's what's going to be our focus.''

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Gophers not out of Big Ten West race, but Badgers now in control

Minnesota needs a 2-0 finish plus another two Iowa losses to get to Indianapolis.
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Go Gophers!!
 

I wouldn’t be 1% surprised if Iowa lost to Illinois and it was right back out in front of the Gophers.
 

They just need Iowa to drop one not both since Iowa would have three division losses they would be eliminated.
 

Purdue needs to win both and Iowa drops 1, we win out
 

skiumah1 said:
Purdue needs to win both and Iowa drops 1, we win out
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i think purdue is irrelevant for us if Iowa loses and we win out as we'd have equal records to Iowa and WI and step 2 looks at divisional percentage, which would eliminate Iowa compared to us and WI (both 2 losses). Then we'd just be compared H2H vs WI right? If Purdue wins out and makes it into the tiebreak, we'd hold the tiebreak vs both Purdue and WI (Iowa again eliminated based on division percentage)
 


upnorthkid said:
i think purdue is irrelevant for us if Iowa loses and we win out as we'd have equal records to Iowa and WI and step 2 looks at divisional percentage, which would eliminate Iowa compared to us and WI (both 2 losses). Then we'd just be compared H2H vs WI right? If Purdue wins out and makes it into the tiebreak, we'd hold the tiebreak vs both Purdue and WI (Iowa again eliminated based on division percentage)
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Gotcha. A little confusing. Hopefully we just get the win this week and then shake it out from there.
 



How crazy would it be if:
- Gophers win out
- Wisc beats Nebraska (then loses to us)
- Purdue wins both (NW and IU)
- Iowa let's say beats ILL and loses to Nebraska

Then all four would have 6-3 Big Ten records.


As already noted above, we would come out with the tiebreakers.
 



MplsGopher said:
How crazy would it be if:
- Gophers win out
- Wisc beats Nebraska (then loses to us)
- Purdue wins both (NW and IU)
- Iowa let's say beats ILL and loses to Nebraska

Then all four would have 6-3 Big Ten records.


As already noted above, we would come out with the tiebreakers.
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and that would be the very best part
 


MplsGopher said:
How crazy would it be if:
- Gophers win out
- Wisc beats Nebraska (then loses to us)
- Purdue wins both (NW and IU)
- Iowa let's say beats ILL and loses to Nebraska

Then all four would have 6-3 Big Ten records.


As already noted above, we would come out with the tiebreakers.
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I honestly think that would be exactly how Vegas would have the games playing out minus Badgers being favored over us. Iowa-NEB might be a pick 'em in NEB.
 

Remember when all these posters were certain that we needed Iowa to beat Wisconsin??????

;)

*cough* @stocker08 *cough* :D ✌️
 




What's with the kooky 1pm (central) start time for ILL @ Iowa??
 

upnorthkid said:
3 way tie with WI and Iowa also works given Iowa is out at step 2 with 3 division losses compared to us and WI who would only have 2.
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Yes. I was wrong on that earlier in the week
 

upnorthkid said:
3 way tie with WI and Iowa also works given Iowa is out at step 2 with 3 division losses compared to us and WI who would only have 2.
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Not sure how that works. If we get in a 3 way tie with WI and Iowa, we would all be 1-1 in games with each other. Then go to tie-breaker #2 and and WI would be 5-1 in division and win the West. They don't eliminate Iowa at that point and go back to head to head.
 

Here is the official documentation:


The following procedure will determine the representative from each division in the event of a tie:
  1. If two teams are tied, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
  2. If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 8 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step (or sub-step), the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative. If three or more teams remain tied after any step, move to next step in tiebreaker with remaining tied teams.
1. The records of the three (or more) tied teams will be compared based on winning percentage in games between the tied teams.
(a) Example: East 1 is 2-0 in games between the tied teams with wins over East 2 and 3 - East 1 would be the representative.
2. The records of the three (or more) tied teams will be compared based on winning percentage within their division.
3. The records of the three (or more) teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in their division in order of finish (4, 5, 6, and 7).
(a) When arriving at a group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group, rather than record against the individual teams.
4. The records of the three (or more) teams will be compared based on winning percentage against all common conference opponents.
5. The records of the three (or more) teams will be compared based on the best cumulative conference winning percentage of non-divisional opponents.
(a) Example: East 1 non-divisional opponents are 20-7, East 2 non-divisional opponents are 19-8, East 3 non-divisional opponents are 14-13 – East 1 would be the representative.
6. The records of the three (or more) teams will be compared against the highest placed non-divisional teams in their division order of finish (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7).
(a) When arriving at a group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group, rather than record against the individual teams.
(b) When comparing records against a single team or a group of teams, the record will prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group are unequal (i.e. 1-0 is better than 0-0, 2-0 is better than 1-0, etc.)
7. The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative.
8. The representative will be chosen by random draw.
 

We have to get a 4 way tie. It would allow the first tie-breaker to eliminate Iowa and Purdue.

WI would be 2-1
MN 2-1
IA 1-2
Pur 1-2

in games between the 4 teams.

Then it would revert back to MN over WI in head to head.
 

Yeah, it looks like @MaxyJR1 is right, with regards to #2 :(

if it's just a 3-way with IA/WI


But it should seem likely that Purdue will win both remaining.
 

In which case, it basically came down to Purdue winning in Iowa City. Thank you very much!

The teams you beat, end up working for you! Let's go Neb!
 

or a 3 way tie with Purdue and WI

or just a tie with WI

So Iowa losing 2 games really helps
 


MaxyJR1 said:
Not sure how that works. If we get in a 3 way tie with WI and Iowa, we would all be 1-1 in games with each other. Then go to tie-breaker #2 and and WI would be 5-1 in division and win the West. They don't eliminate Iowa at that point and go back to head to head.
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i guess that may be the case then yeah. didn't know if it was removal of one, then the head to head used
 

I think we want WI and IA to lose as many games as possible going forward?
But basically, we need to win our last 2, and have Iowa lose at least one more.
Purdue doesn't factor in.
 

jonnyganas said:
I think we want WI and IA to lose as many games as possible going forward?
But basically, we need to win our last 2, and have Iowa lose at least one more.
Purdue doesn't factor in.
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Not true, need them to win both. Need a four-way tie.
 

Why do we need a 4 way tie? Just for drama?
 

I'm shocked...this actually seems quite possible still??

Hard to believe that we may still have a chance to win the West by beating Wisconsin, but the odds aren't outlandish...
 

MplsGopher said:
Here is the official documentation:


The following procedure will determine the representative from each division in the event of a tie:
  1. If two teams are tied, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
  2. If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 8 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step (or sub-step), the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative. If three or more teams remain tied after any step, move to next step in tiebreaker with remaining tied teams.
1. The records of the three (or more) tied teams will be compared based on winning percentage in games between the tied teams.
(a) Example: East 1 is 2-0 in games between the tied teams with wins over East 2 and 3 - East 1 would be the representative.
2. The records of the three (or more) tied teams will be compared based on winning percentage within their division.
3. The records of the three (or more) teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in their division in order of finish (4, 5, 6, and 7).
(a) When arriving at a group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group, rather than record against the individual teams.
4. The records of the three (or more) teams will be compared based on winning percentage against all common conference opponents.
5. The records of the three (or more) teams will be compared based on the best cumulative conference winning percentage of non-divisional opponents.
(a) Example: East 1 non-divisional opponents are 20-7, East 2 non-divisional opponents are 19-8, East 3 non-divisional opponents are 14-13 – East 1 would be the representative.
6. The records of the three (or more) teams will be compared against the highest placed non-divisional teams in their division order of finish (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7).
(a) When arriving at a group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group, rather than record against the individual teams.
(b) When comparing records against a single team or a group of teams, the record will prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group are unequal (i.e. 1-0 is better than 0-0, 2-0 is better than 1-0, etc.)
7. The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative.
8. The representative will be chosen by random draw.
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So a simplified version is this? -

 

jonnyganas said:
Why do we need a 4 way tie? Just for drama?
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We don't "need" it. There are a few possibilities.

Apologies that I don't think I correctly got the gist of what you were saying.


Sure ... Iowa loses to ILL and Neb, and Wisc loses to Neb and Gophs .... then yes, it doesn't matter what Purdue does (assuming we beat IU). We either get it outright, or win a head-to-head with Purdue.

But that's not going to happen. We all know that.


The most realistic thing is a 3-way tie between Iowa, Wisc, and Gophs. In that case, we lose. But if Purdue then joins the party for a 4-way tie, we win.
 

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