Glen Mason

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UpnorthGo4 said:
I agree with 100% what you just said. But I will also add that Brewster should be given a full five years to show what he can do. He is only two games into his fourth year. Count me among those who think that next year the team will start to show real progress. I hope that Brewster will be given the opportunity to coach his guys. I think he has earned it.
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I'll respectfully disagree on the point about Brewster. He is using *his guys* now and has been for the last season or so...he recruited JUCO to improve the D in '08 and '09 and the defense now is entirely his, as is most of the skill positions except for Weber.

Brewster's main faults are a lack of consistency in philosophy on offense combined with horrible game management. Essentially, he's a good recruiter but a coach who makes bad decisions and hasn't improved in that regard. It doesn't help that year to year the philosophy of the team changes...football requires some consistency in that regard...going from spread to west coast to balanced offense over three years isn't good.

Would Weber be a better QB if he were still under Dunbar's coaching? Probably so...Weber regressed markedly under Fisch and the jury is out under Horton although Weber looks better passing the rock so far.

All told, there isn't any indication the program is improving under Brew. He's spinning his wheels, occasionally kicking some mud up, all the while stuck in neutral or in the mud of mediocrity. If Brew the coach were improving and there were some consistency in philosophy I can buy an argument where keeping him around is worth it. I haven't seen it...and in fact the same coaching mistakes we saw year 1 are popping up in year 4.

He's better suited to be a recruiter somewhere and not a head coach.
 

Schnoodler said:
He seemed just a little to gleeful about our loss.
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And he has every right to be. He's got every right to say I told you so and he should be enjoying watching this program suffer like it is under his replacement.
 

DMB123 said:
And he has every right to be. He's got every right to say I told you so and he should be enjoying watching this program suffer like it is under his replacement.
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In what universe?
 

Got over it last year

Winnipegopher said:
i think people forget how truly awful the D was under Mason (and for years). Just awful, game in, game out
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Finally, I did not cringe when the defense took the field in 09.

Last Saturday, was a dredful reoccurance of Mason defenses gone by.
 

DMB123 said:
And he has every right to be. He's got every right to say I told you so and he should be enjoying watching this program suffer like it is under his replacement.
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There's no coach in the country who could survive an epic collapse in a bowl game like the 06 Texas Tech game. If Brewster wasn't the right person for the job, it doesn't mean that firing Mason was the wrong thing to do. We could have hired other coaches instead of Brewster.
 


RodentRampage said:
There's no coach in the country who could survive an epic collapse in a bowl game like the 06 Texas Tech game. If Brewster wasn't the right person for the job, it doesn't mean that firing Mason was the wrong thing to do. We could have hired other coaches instead of Brewster.
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...and we should've...
 


wels0081 said:
Just curious what thoughts are about Glen Mason's performance on the Big Ten Network last week...
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Strong first half but he completely collapsed in the second half.
 

RodentRampage said:
There's no coach in the country who could survive an epic collapse in a bowl game like the 06 Texas Tech game. If Brewster wasn't the right person for the job, it doesn't mean that firing Mason was the wrong thing to do. We could have hired other coaches instead of Brewster.
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I agree completely. I wanted Mason gone at that point, I was very thankful that he brought us to respectability but I agreed that it was time for a change. The problem is who they hired, which is why Mason should be laughing his a$$ off right now. Say what you want about Mason, but he was a legit head coach and is levels above Brewster, it's not even close.
 



I would say the last two years (08 & 09) of gopher football have been equal to Mason's level.
 

McGopherFan said:
Finally, I did not cringe when the defense took the field in 09.

Last Saturday, was a dredful reoccurance of Mason defenses gone by.
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Mason's '99 defense was the #1 ranked unit in the Big Ten.
 

DMB123 said:
Mason's '99 defense was the #1 ranked unit in the Big Ten.
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There were other years besides 99. On the whole, Mason's defenses were horrible. Now if we could have paired the 99 defense and the 03 offense... I would have been happy to pair the 09 defense with the 03 offense.
 

Silvio said:
I would say the last two years (08 & 09) of gopher football have been equal to Mason's level.
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Then you were absolutely blind from 1999-2005. Lots of NFL talent on all those teams. After the '98 season Mason never had a worse conference record than 3-5 which is the best Brewster has done. And this year will be 1-7 or 2-6 at best, not to mention the 0-8 2007 season. Mason wasn't great, but do not insult him by comparing him to Brewster. Brewster is nothing but Jim Wacker but even more of a jackass.
 



Mouth Breather #1 said:
If it weren't for all the dipsh*ts who just had to chant "Fire Mason" during the 2006 season, I'm sure you could have described his emotions as merely bemused rather than gleeful. Any do*che who chanted that deserves all this bullsh*t. The problem is the rest of the fanbase doesn't. Thanks you a-holes.
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Aw, c'mon, tell us how you really feel. It's OK, don't hold back.
 


DMB123 said:
Then you were absolutely blind from 1999-2005. Lots of NFL talent on all those teams. After the '98 season Mason never had a worse conference record than 3-5 which is the best Brewster has done. And this year will be 1-7 or 2-6 at best, not to mention the 0-8 2007 season. Mason wasn't great, but do not insult him by comparing him to Brewster. Brewster is nothing but Jim Wacker but even more of a jackass.
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Correction... Mason went 2-6 in 2001, but my point remains the same.
 

DMB123 said:
Then you were absolutely blind from 1999-2005. Lots of NFL talent on all those teams. After the '98 season Mason never had a worse conference record than 3-5 which is the best Brewster has done. And this year will be 1-7 or 2-6 at best, not to mention the 0-8 2007 season. Mason wasn't great, but do not insult him by comparing him to Brewster. Brewster is nothing but Jim Wacker but even more of a jackass.
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If we should be fair to Mason, let's be fair to Brewster too. Brewster isn't Wacker. Wacker never did better than 4-7. Wacker ONCE in his 5 seasons won three Big Ten games. Yes, Brewster did have the 1-11, 0-8 season, but three times Wacker won only one game.

Brewster is more comparable to Joe Salem. I'm not saying Brewster should be retained, but he's not Wacker.
 


UpnorthGo4 said:
I agree with 100% what you just said. But I will also add that Brewster should be given a full five years to show what he can do. He is only two games into his fourth year. Count me among those who think that next year the team will start to show real progress. I hope that Brewster will be given the opportunity to coach his guys. I think he has earned it.
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+1 here.
 


He was never better than 5-3. I hate to break it to you but there is no real difference between the teams that finish 5-3 and those that finish 3-5. If you think Mason would have had more then 2 wins in conference play in 2007 you are delusional. In his final 5 years, years in which he was responsible for every player on his roster the best he could was finish in the top half of the league once (T-4th). Lots of NFL talent is also a stretch. Ohio State, USC have lots of NFL talent. Having a handful of players who make it to play on Sundays on a roster at a time isn't lots and could be very comparable to what is on the current roster.
 

Mason had a losing record in 6 of his 10 years here. He had a 5-3 record twice and a 4-4 record twice.
 

RodentRampage said:
Mason had a losing record in 6 of his 10 years here. He had a 5-3 record twice and a 4-4 record twice.
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We can probably credit both 5-3 seasons to the schedule. 1999 he missed 6-2 Michigan and 6-2 Michigan State. in 2003 he missed 6-2 Ohio State and 6-2 Purdue. Still couldn't crack top 3 in the league.
 

It should also be noted that through his first 3 years Brewster is only one win different than Kirk Ferentz was his first three years down in Iowa. Now, it doesn't appear that they will have a similiar fourth year. I am not a huge Brewster fan, but I feel he should be given a full five years. If he does not have a break out year after next year, it may be time to move on.
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
Yeah, the spread offense isn't exactly to blame for the 1-11 season. The defense gave up nearly 37 points per game that year. Mason left nothing on defense, he never recruited defense, he sent one LB to the NFL (Triplett) and that one really shouldn't count.
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Only One??? That is absolute BS and shows how clueless you are. While Mason was known for his offense, several of Mason's defensive recruits were signed by NFL teams. You mentioned Tripplett (Minn), but how about Dominique Barber (Hou), Anthony Montgomery (Wash), Marcus Sherels (Minn), Darrell Reed (Ind/Denv) and Greg White (TB)--These guys were NFL regular season roster players. Guys who also were signed by NFL teams (but later cut) include Will Van de Steeg (Balt), Lee Campbell (Det), Garrett Brown (KC), Barret Moen (Minn) and Eric Small. That's 11 defensive guys that wore an NFL jersey.

Two other NFL guys Tyrone Carter and Willie Middlebrooks began playing under Mason (I didn't count them as I am not sure if they were Mason recruits despite playing only for Mason). Also, I didn't count Deon Hightower who played in CFL,as I'm not sure he was ever signed by an NFL team.
 

GopherFish said:
Only One??? That is absolute BS and shows how clueless you are. While Mason was known for his offense, several of Mason's defensive recruits were signed by NFL teams. You mentioned Tripplett, but how about Dominique Barber (Hou), Anthony Montgomery (Wash), Marcus Sherels (Minn), Darrell Reed (Ind/Denv) and Greg White (TB)--These guys were NFL regular season roster players. Guys who also were signed by NFL teams (but later cut) include Will Van de Steeg (Balt), Lee Campbell (Det), Garrett Brown (KC), Barret Moen (Minn) and Eric Small. That's 11 defensive guys that wore an NFL jersey. Another one, Deon Hightower played in CFL. Two other guys that began career with Mason wore NFL jerseys: Tyrone Carter and Willie Middlebrooks (but I think Carter was initially recruited by Wacker and I don't have any recruiting info on Middlebrooks).
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Thank you for more evidence of Mase's coaching ineptitude.
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
Mason left nothing on defense, he never recruited defense, he sent one LB to the NFL (Triplett) and that one really shouldn't count
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GopherFish said:
Only One??? That is absolute BS and shows how clueless you are.
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Listing other non-LB Mason defensive recruits shows how poor at reading comprehension you are.
 


Maximus said:
We can probably credit both 5-3 seasons to the schedule. 1999 he missed 6-2 Michigan and 6-2 Michigan State. in 2003 he missed 6-2 Ohio State and 6-2 Purdue. Still couldn't crack top 3 in the league.
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Meanwhile, here's who Brewster has missed during his three years:

2007: 3-5 Michigan State and 4-4 Penn State (Obviously didn't matter this year, we sucked, period.)
2008: 6-2 Michigan State and 7-1 Penn State
2009: 1-7 Michigan and 1-7 Indiana

2008 is the blown opportunity season, clearly. That is a year where a Mason squad puts up 9 or 10 wins. We had the 7-1 start, but blew games against Michigan and Northwestern. Win those two at home and you have 9-3 (5-3), right on par with some of Mason's years. Fact is, the games were blown, mainly cause the coaching sucked, but 2008 had potential all over it and we blew it. A more experienced coach probably comes up with those 9 wins tho.

2009 on the other hand, sucked (scheduling-wise), no matter how you draw it up. To miss two 1 BT win squad in a conference season can't be very common at all. On the other hand, we did manage to beat three 4-4 or better BT teams, so the year wasn't a disaster.

Point is, schedules go a VERY long way in determining season success when you are a mediocre or middling team like Minnesota is right now. Mason basically took advantage of two really good scheduling seasons and parlayed them to 5 BT wins. Brewster has had one shot in 2008, but he blew his chance at a big year. If he doesn't improve this team soon, he won't get another one.
 


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