Glen Mason

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Winnipegopher said:
i think people forget how truly awful the D was under Mason (and for years). Just awful, game in, game out
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It was much worse under Wacker. Go find the stats. And it has been pretty bad under Brewchew too. Mason may have been the best of the 3 defensively.
 

Winnipegopher said:
i think people forget how truly awful the D was under Mason (and for years). Just awful, game in, game out
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Mason's D's were atrocious but always lead in Turnovers...let's not act like Brew is out there shutting down offenses either...

We gave up 55 points in Brewsters first year to Iowa...& in his 3rd year 41 points to friggin' South Dakota...

Tell me what's changed?
 

SickAndTiredOfLosingToWI said:
Coaches who would rather be somewhere else don't typically stay in the same job for 9 years. Yeah, he is a Buckeye and so he applied for the OSU job. I can't say I blame him.
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Selective memory. I also recall him being in the running for the LSU job among others. There were rumors of him leaving all the time until he got passed over for OSU.
 

Hates Monikers said:
We're finding out that Brewster wasn't the answer. But it was time for Mason to go.
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Everyone seems so sure of that.

On the day he was fired, if you could have placed a bet that Mason's successor would be more or less successful which way would have you bet?

Now imagine you're not a Minnesotan, and you're not listening to the "fire mason" shock-jocks. Now how do you bet?

Proof that the media here will rot your brain.
 

Everyone seems so sure of that.

On the day he was fired, if you could have placed a bet that Mason's successor would be more or less successful which way would have you bet?

Now imagine you're not a Minnesotan, and you're not listening to the "fire mason" shock-jocks. Now how do you bet?

Proof that the media here will rot your brain.
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I guess what bugs me about it is that it seemed public sentiment to fire Mason was brought on by a lack of confidence we'd ever become more than a 8-9 win team under his leadership.

Now, we're still struggling to put together 6,7 win seasons.

So what has changed?

By most accounts we've got better athletes, we know we have a better stadium and more revenue, but we're sitting in the same positions with wins and losses.

By the way--- I am in no way advocating bringing Mase back. I'm just frustrated with what has been a decade of poor decision making.
 


Goldmember said:
Everyone seems so sure of that.

On the day he was fired, if you could have placed a bet that Mason's successor would be more or less successful which way would have you bet?
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Irrelevant. Would 2007 Mason be more successful than 1997-2006 Mason. No chance. 20 years as a head coach....zero conference titles.
 

Maximus said:
Irrelevant. Would 2007 Mason be more successful than 1997-2006 Mason. No chance. 20 years as a head coach....zero conference titles.
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Which leads to the question about Brew. In his 4th year, are we any closer to a title than we were 4 years ago? I say no. Do you feel that Brewster is going in a positive direction? I certainly don't. Granted it is only our opinion. Since Brew won't be here in 4 years, we'll never know.
 


Winnipegopher said:
i think people forget how truly awful the D was under Mason (and for years). Just awful, game in, game out
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Not really defending Mason, but this just flat out isn't true. Mason's teams never struggled defensively the way that team just did last weekend against an opponent of that caliber. Even in his last season, they won @ Kent State 44-0, and beat Temple 62-0. Mason's defenses were fine against truly subpar opponents. It was when they faced better athletes, when things fell apart. Brewster is bringing in athletes who should easily be able to duplicate a shutout like that against an FCS squad, or at least hold them to maybe two scores, like they were able to do last year for the most part. Something went terribly wrong last weekend obviously, as this season plays out, we'll find out if it's really as bad as it looks, or whether they truly just needed some experience under their belts to figure things out.

But reality is, his program was beginning to fall back, after it's peak in the 10 win 2003 season. This wasn't solely his fault, the contract situation was ridiculous, but even so, his lack of desire to really put the effort in his later years sealed his fate. Just because Brewster hasn't flourished doesn't change that fact.
 



Schnoodler said:
[Glen Mason] seemed just a little to gleeful about our loss.
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If it weren't for all the dipsh*ts who just had to chant "Fire Mason" during the 2006 season, I'm sure you could have described his emotions as merely bemused rather than gleeful. Any do*che who chanted that deserves all this bullsh*t. The problem is the rest of the fanbase doesn't. Thanks you a-holes.
 

This is the worst thread in the entire time I've been on this board.

Is Brew a good coach? All signs point to no, according to my magic eight ball and I'm willing to accept that as an answer.

"Therefore, Mason as a good coach."

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Mason was a brutal coach. Brutal. He was the Adam Weber of coaches. He had Maroney AND Barber in the effing backfield and still managed to finish 4TH in the conference in 2003. Not 2nd, not 3rd. FOURTH. Put aside the abominations that were Michigan v.2003, Wisconsin v.2005 and Texas Tech in his last game, he was still brutal. Did he win some games we were expected to lose? Sure. He had ten effing years to do it. You could let me coach the team for ten years and I'd find a way to win a couple games. That would never, ever make me a good coach.

People pine for this guy like he solved all the problems of the world. When you're bookeneded by Wacker (whose record I don't need to go into here, I hope) and Brewster it's pretty effing easy to look good. We get into these debates with such regularity because we've sucked at the hind teat in the Big Ten for the last 40 years, not because anyone actually believes Mase was a good coach, right? Extolling the virtues of Glen Effing Mason is like talking about how great your AMC Gremlin is: relative to a Ford Pinto, it's effing grand.

Hell, we haven't had a decent coach here since Stoll and even he was debatable. Get off the effing Mason bandwagon. He finished no better than 4th in the Big Ten. Brewster is no better. Those positions are not mutually effing exclusive.
 

thailleagle said:
Mason's D's were atrocious but always lead in Turnovers...let's not act like Brew is out there shutting down offenses either...

We gave up 55 points in Brewsters first year to Iowa...& in his 3rd year 41 points to friggin' South Dakota...

Tell me what's changed?
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Might want to check the numbers first. The NCAA website stats go back to 1999

1999 - created 19 turnovers
2000 - 19 (ranked 80th in country)
2001 - 15 (106th)
2002 - 21 (85th)
2003 - 16 (106th)
2004 - 20 (68th)
2005 - 15 (106th)
2006 - 32 (6th)

2006 was good but the others were bad. The last two years, we've been in the top 25 in turnovers created.
 

thailleagle said:
Mason's D's were atrocious but always lead in Turnovers...let's not act like Brew is out there shutting down offenses either...

We gave up 55 points in Brewsters first year to Iowa...& in his 3rd year 41 points to friggin' South Dakota...

Tell me what's changed?
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No, that was Brewster's 2nd year. I liked last year's defense and I'll like this year's defense, but it won't be until next year. They should be pretty good, no matter who the coach is. I've always believed that you build a defense in the middle, finding linebackers that can tackle, cover and rush the passer when needed. Mason had adequate linebackers during his tenure, but he didn't have a single one that stands out in my mind as a gamechanger.
 



Bayfieldgopher said:
A good number of the frontliners on the 99 squad were Wacker recruits. He got us to low tier bowl games by padding his record against cream puffs and would have soiled his pants playing a NC schedule like Gutey did.
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Gutey's NC schedule 87-91

87 -- Northern Iowa, Cal, Central Michigan
88 -- Wash State, No Illinois, Miami OH
89 -- Iowa State, Nebraska, Indiana State
90 -- Utah, Iowa State, Nebraska
91 -- San Jose, Colorado, Pitt

The NC schedule got a good bit tougher the last couple of yrs but outside of the token school from a pretty big conference Gutey fattened up on his share of MAC and I-AA schools...
 

Maximus said:
Irrelevant. Would 2007 Mason be more successful than 1997-2006 Mason. No chance. 20 years as a head coach....zero conference titles.
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Mason essentially is your run-of-the-mill college coach who coaxes a good to very good season every 4th/5th year out of the troops, but is otherwise going to go 6-6, 7-5, something close to that nearly every year.

Is it a *bad* thing for your program to have that type of coach? If you were going 2-10, 3-9 for several years as the U did, Mason would look like a good option to have. However, after a decade of Mason's coaching you realize that while the program is better from a win-loss standpoint it's not going to improve from the middle rung with the current coach and it's time to make a change.

I had no problem with changing for the sake of going in a new direction with regards to Mason...the problem is that bringing Brewster in didn't improve the program from where Mason had taken it one bit and many would argue the program is moving backwards.
 

60 Cent said:
Mason essentially is your run-of-the-mill college coach who coaxes a good to very good season every 4th/5th year out of the troops, but is otherwise going to go 6-6, 7-5, something close to that nearly every year.

Is it a *bad* thing for your program to have that type of coach? If you were going 2-10, 3-9 for several years as the U did, Mason would look like a good option to have. However, after a decade of Mason's coaching you realize that while the program is better from a win-loss standpoint it's not going to improve from the middle rung with the current coach and it's time to make a change.

I had no problem with changing for the sake of going in a new direction with regards to Mason...the problem is that bringing Brewster in didn't improve the program from where Mason had taken it one bit and many would argue the program is moving backwards.
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I agree with 100% what you just said. But I will also add that Brewster should be given a full five years to show what he can do. He is only two games into his fourth year. Count me among those who think that next year the team will start to show real progress. I hope that Brewster will be given the opportunity to coach his guys. I think he has earned it.
 


positively4thstreet said:
Please explain.
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I didn't say that you think he has earned or that anybody else thinks that he has earned. I said I think the has earned and it doesn't matter to me that you think he hasn't earned it or anybody else thinks he hasn't earned it.
 


MBAGuy said:
This is the worst thread in the entire time I've been on this board.

Is Brew a good coach? All signs point to no, according to my magic eight ball and I'm willing to accept that as an answer.

"Therefore, Mason as a good coach."

X

Mason was a brutal coach. Brutal. He was the Adam Weber of coaches. He had Maroney AND Barber in the effing backfield and still managed to finish 4TH in the conference in 2003. Not 2nd, not 3rd. FOURTH. Put aside the abominations that were Michigan v.2003, Wisconsin v.2005 and Texas Tech in his last game, he was still brutal. Did he win some games we were expected to lose? Sure. He had ten effing years to do it. You could let me coach the team for ten years and I'd find a way to win a couple games. That would never, ever make me a good coach.

People pine for this guy like he solved all the problems of the world. When you're bookeneded by Wacker (whose record I don't need to go into here, I hope) and Brewster it's pretty effing easy to look good. We get into these debates with such regularity because we've sucked at the hind teat in the Big Ten for the last 40 years, not because anyone actually believes Mase was a good coach, right? Extolling the virtues of Glen Effing Mason is like talking about how great your AMC Gremlin is: relative to a Ford Pinto, it's effing grand.

Hell, we haven't had a decent coach here since Stoll and even he was debatable. Get off the effing Mason bandwagon. He finished no better than 4th in the Big Ten. Brewster is no better. Those positions are not mutually effing exclusive.
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This post is full of awesome.
 

Positively4thstreet: "All good and well, I'm just curious as to why you believe he's earned it."
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Because I think Brewster has worked his butt off trying to turn around a football program that hasn't won a championship in 40 years and he hasn't been given enough time to show what he can do. As far as I am concerned you can't count Brewster's first year because he was only given about a week to hire a coaching staff, about 3 weeks to salvage something from Mason's last recruiting class which was only ranked about 60th in the country before he was fired. The the Gopher's cupboard was bare because of very poor recruiting classes in 2004, 2005, and 2006, and I don't see anyway that Mason would have made it to a bowl game if he had coached one more season.

For all practical purposes Brewster is really only three seasons into his Gopher's recruiting career, and two seasons and two games into his coaching career. I am one person who believes that Mason was given too much time, and Brewster not enough time. Whoever the coach is I believe that Gophers are going to be significantly better next season with three full years of Brewster's recruits, and I think he deserves the opportunity to coach them. If he doesn't get it done next year then it is time to find someone else.
 

UpnorthGo4 said:
Positively4thstreet: "All good and well, I'm just curious as to why you believe he's earned it."
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Because I think Brewster has worked his butt off trying to turn around a football program that hasn't won a championship in 40 years and he hasn't been given enough time to show what he can do. As far as I am concerned you can't count Brewster's first year because he was only given about a week to hire a coaching staff, about 3 weeks to salvage something from Mason's last recruiting class which was only ranked about 60th in the country before he was fired. The the Gopher's cupboard was bare because of very poor recruiting classes in 2004, 2005, and 2006, and I don't see anyway that Mason would have made it to a bowl game if he had coached one more season.

For all practical purposes Brewster is really only three seasons into his Gopher's recruiting career, and two seasons and two games into his coaching career. I am one person who believes that Mason was given too much time, and Brewster not enough time. Whoever the coach is I believe that Gophers are going to be significantly better next season with three full years of Brewster's recruits, and I think he deserves the opportunity to coach them. If he doesn't get it done next year then it is time to find someone else.
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It's not a matter of recruiting, it's coaching and he has proven in 4 years he cannot coach. If we are significantly better record wise next year it is because we have competent practice and in-game coach. Tell me where the better record would come from under Brewster, our toughest Big Ten opponents are home games and the weaker ones are away:

Sep. 3 - at USC
Sep. 10 - New Mexico State
Sep. 17 - Miami, Ohio
Sep. 24 - North Dakota State
Oct. 1 - at Michigan
Oct. 8 - at Purdue
Oct. 22 - Nebraska
Oct. 29 - Iowa
Nov. 5 - at Michigan State
Nov. 12 - Wisconsin
Nov. 19 - at Northwestern
Nov. 26 - Illinois
 

MBAGuy said:
This is the worst thread in the entire time I've been on this board.

Is Brew a good coach? All signs point to no, according to my magic eight ball and I'm willing to accept that as an answer.

"Therefore, Mason as a good coach."

X

Mason was a brutal coach. Brutal. He was the Adam Weber of coaches. He had Maroney AND Barber in the effing backfield and still managed to finish 4TH in the conference in 2003. Not 2nd, not 3rd. FOURTH. Put aside the abominations that were Michigan v.2003, Wisconsin v.2005 and Texas Tech in his last game, he was still brutal. Did he win some games we were expected to lose? Sure. He had ten effing years to do it. You could let me coach the team for ten years and I'd find a way to win a couple games. That would never, ever make me a good coach.

People pine for this guy like he solved all the problems of the world. When you're bookeneded by Wacker (whose record I don't need to go into here, I hope) and Brewster it's pretty effing easy to look good. We get into these debates with such regularity because we've sucked at the hind teat in the Big Ten for the last 40 years, not because anyone actually believes Mase was a good coach, right? Extolling the virtues of Glen Effing Mason is like talking about how great your AMC Gremlin is: relative to a Ford Pinto, it's effing grand.

Hell, we haven't had a decent coach here since Stoll and even he was debatable. Get off the effing Mason bandwagon. He finished no better than 4th in the Big Ten. Brewster is no better. Those positions are not mutually effing exclusive.
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I agree with pretty much everything said. Mason was flat-out lazy and easy to dislike. His famous "Well, if the phone rings I'm going to answer it" response to whether or not he was looking for other jobs was delivered so sardonically that I am sure he lost a ton of Gopher fans at that point. He just seemed to look down on everybody. His attitude made Tom Kelly's look like the activities leader at the YMCA day camp.

There's no question Mason was able to put together a solid offense. I do scratch my head a bit, though, when I see Mason not getting interest as a possible HC, Mitch Browning coaching the O-line at Akron, Gordy Shaw coaching the O-line at Hawaii, and Tony Peterson as the QB/Co-Offensive Coordinator at Marshall (his alma mater). If those guys were the professed geniuses (genii?) some in here contend they were, they'd have been more highly sought than is evidenced by their careers after leaving here.

Don't get me wrong. While I like Brewster's energy and personality, the results haven't been there like I'd hoped they would. Barring a major turnaround, this is likely his last season. We can argue about whether or not he was the right choice to replace Mason, but it's not like we threw Vince Lombardi out of his job and gave it to Les Steckel.
 

60 Cent said:
Gutey's NC schedule 87-91

87 -- Northern Iowa, Cal, Central Michigan
88 -- Wash State, No Illinois, Miami OH
89 -- Iowa State, Nebraska, Indiana State
90 -- Utah, Iowa State, Nebraska
91 -- San Jose, Colorado, Pitt

The NC schedule got a good bit tougher the last couple of yrs but outside of the token school from a pretty big conference Gutey fattened up on his share of MAC and I-AA schools...
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That's eight BCS schools in five years.

We've played eight BCS schools in the past 16 years. Not counting bowls
 



You all need to frickin get over it already. It wasn't a big loss when Mason was fired and at this point it won't be a big loss when Brew is fired either. They are both mediocre coaches at best. Neither one has taken us to a meaningful bowl game.
 

I would also say Brewsters abiltiy to recruit is questionable since at this point we haven't gotten a bunch of top talent and it showed last weekend. dpo may very well be correct.
 


Maximus said:
That's eight BCS schools in five years.

We've played eight BCS schools in the past 16 years. Not counting bowls
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Iowa State wasn't exactly a power in those days. Will give major credit for playing Nebraska though.

r...but to be honest, who in the "mid tier" of the Big 10 is playing major non-conference teams year after year? Schedules across the board are mostly softer...with occasional home-and-home series between power schools.
 

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