Give Jeff Horton an Additional Year as Interim Head Coach

NO

If the Gophers beat Iowa I will be happy for Horton. But, Way,way more happy for the Gophers.

Hopefully some athletics director agrees with your thinking and somebody hires Horton but it can't be the Gophers.

Exactly what you you said: "we are a Big Ten University" and we gotta do better than that for a coach.

I'll be really disappointed if we hire Trestman but I would prefer him to Horton.

Hammock did do a nice job of calling plays against Illinois....maybe the difference is Horton is no longer calling plays and has no influence other than talking to the media?
 

Jeff Horton is probably a decent human being, but this idea is asinine. For what it's worth, Sid agrees with you.
 

I feel compelled to repost this. If we beat Iowa on 27 November 2010, I move that Jeff Horton's tenure as Interim Head Coach is extended through the 2011 football season. He should also be able to retain the coaching staff for an additional year. Firing and hiring left and right, and throwing big salaries at people rarely solves a systemic problem, and I think few of us will argue that our Golden Gopher Football Program has not suffered from systemic problems since 1967, probably as early as 1960 (what year were the NFL Vikings chartered?). The new President of the University of Minnesota should have the opportunity after this 1+ year probationary period to ascertain if Jeff and his staff should stay with us for the long haul. Yes, I know, you are all going to yell about how this is going to negatively affect recruiting. I don't buy the argument. I don't think our recruiting will suffer materially, we are a Big Ten University, and there are plenty of young men who want to play Big Ten football, have only 3 stars or 2 stars, are highly talented, but cannot land a gig at OSU, PSU, or Michigan. In the grand scheme of things, even if it should turn out to be a weaker recruiting year, it does not matter much in the context of what has happened with our team since 1967. We can afford to wait one more year to see how much Jeff and his staff improves our team. He has had what, 3 or 4 weeks to tweak this team's strategy and tactics to his own liking? So finally he gets a win on 13 November 2010. I enjoyed it immensely. Normally Golden Gopher teams peak in the middle of the season, then suffer from injuries or other issues that result in a meltdown in November. I am hoping and praying that Jeff and his coaching staff are reversing this trend. If he indeed is reversing the trend, then I say give Jeff some more rope. Jeff has exhibited humility while maintaining a cheerful positive demeanor, a welcome change to the face of Golden Gopher Football. I like what Jeff is doing with our tight ends. Now maybe this belatedly reflects Brewster’s influence, but I like it nonetheless. Now go ahead and start yelling at me about how stupid this idea is.
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C'mon, Really!!! Where did you get your kool-aid? Tell me you drinking it while you wrote this junk.
 

I don't want Horton for '11. However, I don't want to see him replaced until Kaler, not Bruininks, can make the final decision. If Kaler believes the right man is on line to coach I don't care if Maturi is fired first or afterward. If Maturi doesn't have Kaler convinced he has the coach ready to sign that Kaler wants for the next 5 years then fire Maturi and resume the coach search.

Keep the lame ducks out of the coach search and don't let the door hit them is the ass. Kaler needs to be accountable for the hire and it won't consume that much time from his transition.

I can assure you that the next coach would want it the same way. We program will be better for this in both the short and long term. In fact, we will get a better hire if they know that Kaler is 100% behind them.
 

We would get destroyed recruiting and how do you expect Horton to succeed next year. No matter who is head coach next year, they will have a BIG task ahead of them. We are in the bottom 5 of BCS conference teams in the nation. We need someone that can work the build over time angle, which is why we're offering an 8 year contract or something like that. We need to get the guy this year, not wait a year. I will say this, Horton is welcome to apply just like anyone else. He just has no chance based on his previous experience. He was a failed HC at UNLV, and so I'm not sure what would make him qualified to take over here. One win over a mediocre Illinois team isn't anything to get excited about...

1. I don’t buy the following arguments.
a. Recruiting will go in the toilet if we extend Jeff Horton’s probationary period another year. I think the present staff will be able to recruit the young men who want to wear maroon and gold from the State of Minnesota, sans the usual standouts from Cretin-Derham Hall who always opt to attend college somewhere else, regardless who our coach is. The more things change, the more they remain the same. There are plenty of talented 2 and 3 star athletes from around the USA who will want to play for a Big Ten University, us, regardless who our coach is. Methinks you make too big a deal out of who the currently crowned coach is. They come and go at all universities. It only makes a difference when you have a charismatic coach who has been deified and you are dealing with trying to snare 4 and 5 star athletes. We don’t have a charismatic coach, and we likely will not get one of these. We don’t have $4,000,000 / year to throw around. So forget the silver bullet charismatic coach.
b. We have to sign up a coach for a minimum of 5 years, and in the case of Sparlimb’s post, 8 years. I am a contrarian. I don’t believe we have to play this stupid 5 to 8 year contract extortion racket. In fact, I hate it. It ties you up so that you have no plan B in case plan A turns into diarrhea. The school becomes hog tied. There is no way I can support an 8 year contract. To do so would require the wisdom of Solomon and the prophetic capabilities of Jeremiah. Trust me, we have neither at the University of Minnesota. Where is it said that we have to blindly follow where Alabama and Michigan have gone? Is it in the Old Testament or the New Testament?
c. Throwing big money at a charismatic coach with a multiyear contract yields the highest probability for success in improving our football record. I don’t buy this. We tried this with Lou Holtz. If successful, said coach will jilt us just as fast as Lou jilted us for Notre Dame or Rich Rodriquez jilted West Virginia for Michigan. We all thought Rich was a permanent fixture at WVU. Not! Think again, if the coach is successful here, he will be offered enough money by some other university to skip town.
2. It amazes me just how unforgiving people are of what happened at UNLV 15 years ago. Jeff Horton was what, a 38 year old wunderkind when he was axed? So you think he has learned nothing about coaching in the 15 years since then?
3. If our Golden Gophers defeat Iowa on 27 November 2010, Jeff Horton will have a Big Ten Record and an overall record that will be as good or better than many of our previous coaches. You don’t believe me? Check out Eric Thrall’s website http://ericthrall.com/gophers/football/ If this happens, then Jeff will be at .400 in the Big Ten and overall. Exactly where Glen Mason ended up. I was against firing Glen Mason, and if Jeff Horton achieves .400 at the end of the day on 27 November 2010, after 5 games as head coach, and following a 6 game losing streak, then yes, I think he deserves another 12 months to show whether he merits a 5 year contract.
4. I am against throwing big money at a big name coach, because it does not address systemic problems we face, and in fact, it may exacerbate a systemic problem we have. Front and center is the destruction and disembowelment of a B.A. degree program through General College. This was a critical self inflicted wound to our competitive stature in many sports, not just football. Shortly after the dissolution of the General College B.A. program we found ourselves in trouble with NCAA mandated graduation rates. Guess what folks, it ain’t gonna get better with a big name coach, because a big name coach is going to feel compelled to go after student athletes that are at risk without a General College B.A. program. Bringing back a B.A. curriculum track through General College is job one on the road to football recovery and respectability, not 5 or 8 year contracts, not big money.
5. I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
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Dude, as state previously if you want to argue Horton is the guy that is one thing. However the argument that having an interim coach for a year and a half would work is ludicrous. If you really believe that it wouldn't have a negative impact on recruiting than you should take a closer look at how major college football works in the real world.

Edit: I don't think that many considered Jeff Horton a wunderkind when he was axed at UNLV. His coaching record easily dispels that assertion.
 

Dude, as state previously if you want to argue Horton is the guy that is one thing. However the argument that having an interim coach for a year and a half would work is ludicrous. If you really believe that it wouldn't have a negative impact on recruiting than you should take a closer look at how major college football works in the real world.

Edit: I don't think that many considered Jeff Horton a wunderkind when he was axed at UNLV. His coaching record easily dispels that assertion.

My math was wrong. He was 37 in 1994. Nevertheless, according to Wikipedia he was something of a wunderkind in 1993 (Nevada) and 1994 (UNLV). So for 2 years he was a great wunderkind head coach. Then the bubble burst. Was the bust totally his fault? If so, what did he learn from the experience? Good men learn from failure. What you want is somebody without a record blemish. Sometimes that is a function of luck more than competence.
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Minnesota – 22
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I think you are missing the point. All of these recruits throughout the country you are talking about at least get to choose their coach, under your asanine scenario they would have absolutely no idea who there coach would be past their freshman year. It would absolutely destroy our recruiting.

You're using a strawman argument. You are saying that people think that the alternative to your additional year of an interim coach is to throw tons of money at some hot shot coach. That really isn't the case at all (most of us realize that these hot shot coaches aren't going to come here anyway).

Most people want the best possible football coach that we can get so he can instill STABILITY to the program. Your idea is the antithesis to that. You are asking Horton to be able to build a staff even though they won't have a job here after 2010. You are asking recruits to come here even though they will have no idea who the next coach is going to be (or if the skillset fits). It makes no sense. Absolutely none.

I can respect your opinion that it doesn't need to be someone extremely flashy or anything like that. However, this program needs direction and stability. And idea that doesn't build that in the program is nonsense.
 

6 November

I normally wouldn't post to a "far out" post but I know for a fact the the best recruits will leave - then it's another 2 or 3 years. Is Minnesota the next Indiana?
 



Sid's 91 and senile. What's your excuse sir? Sorry to be harsh, but that's simply an awful idea. The only way you can keep Horton is if you keep him straight up as THE guy. Otherwise it would be an epic disaster. And I dont' think anyone this side of Sid thinks Horton as the permanent coach is a good idea. The only way I'm on board with this is if the alternative is Marc Trestman.

lol, solid post.
 

I feel compelled to repost this. If we beat Iowa on 27 November 2010, I move that Jeff Horton's tenure as Interim Head Coach is extended through the 2011 football season. He should also be able to retain the coaching staff for an additional year. Firing and hiring left and right, and throwing big salaries at people rarely solves a systemic problem, and I think few of us will argue that our Golden Gopher Football Program has not suffered from systemic problems since 1967, probably as early as 1960 (what year were the NFL Vikings chartered?). The new President of the University of Minnesota should have the opportunity after this 1+ year probationary period to ascertain if Jeff and his staff should stay with us for the long haul. Yes, I know, you are all going to yell about how this is going to negatively affect recruiting. I don't buy the argument. I don't think our recruiting will suffer materially, we are a Big Ten University, and there are plenty of young men who want to play Big Ten football, have only 3 stars or 2 stars, are highly talented, but cannot land a gig at OSU, PSU, or Michigan. In the grand scheme of things, even if it should turn out to be a weaker recruiting year, it does not matter much in the context of what has happened with our team since 1967. We can afford to wait one more year to see how much Jeff and his staff improves our team. He has had what, 3 or 4 weeks to tweak this team's strategy and tactics to his own liking? So finally he gets a win on 13 November 2010. I enjoyed it immensely. Normally Golden Gopher teams peak in the middle of the season, then suffer from injuries or other issues that result in a meltdown in November. I am hoping and praying that Jeff and his coaching staff are reversing this trend. If he indeed is reversing the trend, then I say give Jeff some more rope. Jeff has exhibited humility while maintaining a cheerful positive demeanor, a welcome change to the face of Golden Gopher Football. I like what Jeff is doing with our tight ends. Now maybe this belatedly reflects Brewster’s influence, but I like it nonetheless. Now go ahead and start yelling at me about how stupid this idea is.
Winona Phantom we salute you!
Michigan – 0
Minnesota – 22
24 October 1953
SKI-U-MAH!
http://www.vva.org/testimony/2010/092910.html
http://www.dol.gov/ocia/congressionaltestimony/20090514_OFCCP.htm

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Yeah lets hire a coach who just got off a 19 game losing streak. Wow, just wow. Where is the rock bottom when you need it? Still hasn't been reached yet.
 

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This is really funny! I laughed until I cried. Excellent! Touche'! I guess an apology is in order for my making people dumber. I confess I never before thought I had the ability to make other people dumber. It is a humbling revelation. Nobody listened to Cassandra or Jeremiah, so you are certainly under no obligation to listen to me as I possess none of their prophetic gifts. I am simply stating my own personal opinion after having closely and emotionally been observing the slow unfolding of this Greek Tragedy called University of Minnesota Football since my freshman days in Memorial Stadium, 1971.
Winona Phantom we salute you!
Michigan – 0
Minnesota – 22
24 October 1953
SKI-U-MAH!
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Yes, you expressed your opinion. Everyone else expressed their own as well.
 




1. I don’t buy the following arguments.
a. Recruiting will go in the toilet if we extend Jeff Horton’s probationary period another year. I think the present staff will be able to recruit the young men who want to wear maroon and gold from the State of Minnesota, sans the usual standouts from Cretin-Derham Hall who always opt to attend college somewhere else, regardless who our coach is. The more things change, the more they remain the same. There are plenty of talented 2 and 3 star athletes from around the USA who will want to play for a Big Ten University, us, regardless who our coach is. Methinks you make too big a deal out of who the currently crowned coach is. They come and go at all universities. It only makes a difference when you have a charismatic coach who has been deified and you are dealing with trying to snare 4 and 5 star athletes. We don’t have a charismatic coach, and we likely will not get one of these. We don’t have $4,000,000 / year to throw around. So forget the silver bullet charismatic coach.
b. We have to sign up a coach for a minimum of 5 years, and in the case of Sparlimb’s post, 8 years. I am a contrarian. I don’t believe we have to play this stupid 5 to 8 year contract extortion racket. In fact, I hate it. It ties you up so that you have no plan B in case plan A turns into diarrhea. The school becomes hog tied. There is no way I can support an 8 year contract. To do so would require the wisdom of Solomon and the prophetic capabilities of Jeremiah. Trust me, we have neither at the University of Minnesota. Where is it said that we have to blindly follow where Alabama and Michigan have gone? Is it in the Old Testament or the New Testament?
c. Throwing big money at a charismatic coach with a multiyear contract yields the highest probability for success in improving our football record. I don’t buy this. We tried this with Lou Holtz. If successful, said coach will jilt us just as fast as Lou jilted us for Notre Dame or Rich Rodriquez jilted West Virginia for Michigan. We all thought Rich was a permanent fixture at WVU. Not! Think again, if the coach is successful here, he will be offered enough money by some other university to skip town.
2. It amazes me just how unforgiving people are of what happened at UNLV 15 years ago. Jeff Horton was what, a 38 year old wunderkind when he was axed? So you think he has learned nothing about coaching in the 15 years since then?
3. If our Golden Gophers defeat Iowa on 27 November 2010, Jeff Horton will have a Big Ten Record and an overall record that will be as good or better than many of our previous coaches. You don’t believe me? Check out Eric Thrall’s website http://ericthrall.com/gophers/football/ If this happens, then Jeff will be at .400 in the Big Ten and overall. Exactly where Glen Mason ended up. I was against firing Glen Mason, and if Jeff Horton achieves .400 at the end of the day on 27 November 2010, after 5 games as head coach, and following a 6 game losing streak, then yes, I think he deserves another 12 months to show whether he merits a 5 year contract.
4. I am against throwing big money at a big name coach, because it does not address systemic problems we face, and in fact, it may exacerbate a systemic problem we have. Front and center is the destruction and disembowelment of a B.A. degree program through General College. This was a critical self inflicted wound to our competitive stature in many sports, not just football. Shortly after the dissolution of the General College B.A. program we found ourselves in trouble with NCAA mandated graduation rates. Guess what folks, it ain’t gonna get better with a big name coach, because a big name coach is going to feel compelled to go after student athletes that are at risk without a General College B.A. program. Bringing back a B.A. curriculum track through General College is job one on the road to football recovery and respectability, not 5 or 8 year contracts, not big money.
5. I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

This is one of the most coherent and logical posts I've read on GH in some time. The detailed articulation of a prudent and practical idea, in conjunction with the violent negative reaction it engenders amongst the majority of GH posters -- who, let's face it, are about as knowledgeable of college football coaching as Irving Fisher of predicting recessions -- convinces me that it is more than the Minnesota fan base at large will ever get, or deserve. I'm sad to see it largely ignored by the "all-opinions-are-equal" and "I won't read it if it's more than 3 lines" Gopher Hole brain trust.
 

I admit that Jeff s likeable, and that he has done a great job these last few weeks. Still, its time to just blow it up and start again with a new, proven, high powered recruiter and coach. I would love to see Jeff on his staff, but at this point we need to pull out all the stops for the HC job.
 

This is one of the most coherent and logical posts I've read on GH in some time. The detailed articulation of a prudent and practical idea, in conjunction with the violent negative reaction it engenders amongst the majority of GH posters -- who, let's face it, are about as knowledgeable of college football coaching as Irving Fisher of predicting recessions -- convinces me that it is more than the Minnesota fan base at large will ever get, or deserve. I'm sad to see it largely ignored by the "all-opinions-are-equal" and "I won't read it if it's more than 3 lines" Gopher Hole brain trust.

No, it's neither coherent nor logical. While hiring Horton wouldn't be a disaster, giving him 2011 as an interim would be an absolute disaster.
 

how many gopher recruits have bailed since horton has been named interim?

sure some of them might bail is he is named interim through the 2011 season, but colorado basically kept hawkins on as a lame duck and he filled out a pretty decent 2010 class (2.68 stars compared to 2.8 for minnesota).

i am not necessarily behind this idea, but people need to keep the knee from jerking. i am always amazed at people who say that they would walk away from this program if such and such were hired. that is as bad as selling your tickets to hawkeye fans.
 

i think u took hortons charisma into consideration, not his track record.
 

There is a huge difference between being an interim coach for a season and being an interim coach for a season and a half. Horton has done a good job of keeping recruits from bailing, but we would lose recruits if we had an interim coach for a year and a half. There is also a difference between a coach going into the last year of the contract and an interim coach. I'm not against hiring Horton as the next HC, but an entire interim year would be a disaster.
 




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