Gabe to Iowa State

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He obviously does not because he transferred.

Not too deep. A more dramatic analogy is sometimes necessary to strike home the point (although I realize that kind of thing sometimes makes midwesterners uneasy). It's pointless to talk about how good someone could have been if he stayed when he didn't want to stay and, as a result, would have been the opposite of a positive force.
 


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I'm a Ben Johnson backer, and I agree this is not a good outcome. He recruited Gabe, they both went to De La Salle (where our new assistant was the legendary coach), and he sold Coyle on the idea of making us a destination for hometown kids.

Even more, I could understand if Gabe didn't want to be part of a rebuild and transferred to:
1. A sterling academic school (Stanford/Ivies/Vandy).
2. A good location (UCLA/Miami/San Diego State/Colorado)
3. A blue blood for a chance at a deep run (Gonzaga/Kansas/Duke/UNC/Kentucky)

Iowa State is none of those. Wisconsin or Iowa would have hurt more, but are at least winning programs. Just baffling.
Not really that baffling - maybe wanted to stay close to home, and couldn't stomach playing for schools that have been major rivals for three years.
 

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Certainly had struggles here. SG that can't make a three pointer is a tough sell. Really a very good defender. But that doesn't warrant a starting spot.

I'm just glad he transferred out of the conference. I'll definitely make sure to keep an eye on Iowa State next year. Hope he finds his range again.
 

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This is a tough one. Seems like it didn't matter who was coming in, he wanted out. A little frightened that recruits in MN may see Gabe as a cautionary tale as the optics of this are pretty bad.

Not even 3 weeks in and Ben has a lot of work ahead of him - probably more than he anticipated. A clean slate is not necessarily a bad thing, but I'm worried about having a team that even comes close to competing in the Big Ten this year. We're already at the bottom in W/L, so can't go down much further, but can they compete? Lots of slots to fill yet (gulp) so hard to judge right now. Hopefully he can get a team that might not be talented or win many games - but works hard, surprises some people, and builds a culture that will pay off later. I'll still be cheering on those that have chosen to stay or transferred in.

In the meantime, hoping the bad news turns around and we get more Denzel gifs from Ben ASAP. Also praying to all the MN basketball gods that the fantastic 2022 group of instate kids want to come to the U. The scholarships/playing time will be there!
Gabe not going to influence anyone.
I don't really want to take the time to look it up, but if you're genuinely curious, you can look at the numbers of the people he defended. They almost always had an off night.

Gabe was a very good perimeter defender.


On a different note. . .

We are going to be a terrible team, so I'm not sweating losing anyone from like a W/L standpoint. But this does (and I think should) rub people the wrong way. I have a feeling that all of the people saying they love Ben Johnson might not end up putting their money where their mouth is. If Ben Johnson cannot drastically improve in-state recruiting - - then what was this hire all about? Obviously it's early and it's only one data point, but I do think this is a negative point for the U's hire and Ben Johnson.
total overreaction. As James said, he had made up his mind. Further, Ben was honest with him and promised him nothing but an opportunity to compete for time and shared what he needs to work on, including taking care of the ball in addition to shooting. In no way an indictment of Ben Johnson less than three weeks into the job. Relax.
 


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Iowa State has a decent undergraduate business college. My hot take, without looking, is that for post-graduate level that Carlson at the U would be better.

I know that. Actually, my undergraduate degree is from Iowa so while I might feel a traditional sense of duty to ridicule Iowa State on occasion, I would never do so for academics. ISU is a great school!
 

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Gabe not going to influence anyone.

total overreaction. As James said, he had made up his mind. Further, Ben was honest with him and promised him nothing but an opportunity to compete for time and shared what he needs to work on, including taking care of the ball in addition to shooting. In no way an indictment of Ben Johnson less than three weeks into the job. Relax.
Love that this staff will only offer opportunity not promised anything about position or minutes.
 

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Gabe not going to influence anyone.

total overreaction. As James said, he had made up his mind. Further, Ben was honest with him and promised him nothing but an opportunity to compete for time and shared what he needs to work on, including taking care of the ball in addition to shooting. In no way an indictment of Ben Johnson less than three weeks into the job. Relax.
It's an overreaction to say that Gabe transferring is one negative datapoint?

You think it's a positive sign?
 

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Not too deep. A more dramatic analogy is sometimes necessary to strike home the point (although I realize that kind of thing sometimes makes midwesterners uneasy). It's pointless to talk about how good someone could have been if he stayed when he didn't want to stay and, as a result, would have been the opposite of a positive force.
It’s a message board and I shared why he would’ve been nice to have when developing a new culture on a thread about him leaving. Seems like a fair place for the comment lol
 




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Thanks for sharing. Not a great signal to other kids who might be wondering what it is like to stay home.

I'll bet you could find as many examples of kids that left and never felt comfortable or wanted to start fresh after a few years.
 

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I know that. Actually, my undergraduate degree is from Iowa so while I might feel a traditional sense of duty to ridicule Iowa State on occasion, I would never do so for academics. ISU is a great school!
ISU business school compared to Carlson though? Not good. Maybe Gabe wanted into Carlson and wasn’t accepted there - very difficult to get into.
 

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It's an overreaction to say that Gabe transferring is one negative datapoint?

You think it's a positive sign?
I don’t think it matters either way. It’s not a negative datapoint as he’s not leaving the staff he played for, and you’re assuming Ben actively recruited him to stay. He had largely made up his mind to leave, and Ben made him no promises about playing time or role if he stayed. It is what it is.
 




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Sean Sutherlin commitment replaces Gabe and may get Fox too.
 

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ISU business school compared to Carlson though? Not good. Maybe Gabe wanted into Carlson and wasn’t accepted there - very difficult to get into.

No, the business school wouldn't be in that league. Iowa State is a very good school but, for business majors, Iowa is considered better. Yes, Carlson likely tops them both due in no small part to the selectively of its admissions.
 

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No, the business school wouldn't be in that league. Iowa State is a very good school but, for business majors, Iowa is considered better. Yes, Carlson likely tops them both due in no small part to the selectively of its admissions.
Yes, Carlson is much stronger than ISU, and overall than Iowa. Tippie at Iowa is a really good business school though.
 

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Gabe not going to influence anyone.

total overreaction. As James said, he had made up his mind. Further, Ben was honest with him and promised him nothing but an opportunity to compete for time and shared what he needs to work on, including taking care of the ball in addition to shooting. In no way an indictment of Ben Johnson less than three weeks into the job. Relax.

So you know that journalist don't "spin" information to make someone look better.

I don't believe it was that simple, but doesn't matter now. He's gone.
 


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absolutely a positive sign, we need Ben's guys next year.
Doogie had Gabe interview on his podcast. Gabe literally said Ben and Thor are his guys going back from DeLaSalle. Said Ben and Thor went after him hard but he had his mind already made up. Doogie asked Gabe and tried to get him to speak out on why he’s leaving and he wouldn’t. Stay positive and polite. After the interview Doogie said the negative stuff wore him down. Had Gabe wanted to be here, he’d been welcomed with open arms.

 


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Doogie had Gabe interview on his podcast. Gabe literally said Ben and Thor are his guys going back from DeLaSalle. Said Ben and Thor went after him hard but he had his mind already made up. Doogie asked Gabe and tried to get him to speak out on why he’s leaving and he wouldn’t. Stay positive and polite. After the interview Doogie said the negative stuff wore him down. Had Gabe wanted to be here, he’d been welcomed with open arms.

You mean is wasn't all the things that some posters claimed must have been the case on GopherHole? Sounds fishy...

One a serious note....good luck to Gabe in Ames. He seems like a very good guy to have on your team. Robert Jones from Prior Lake also transferred there and I've heard he is an awesome kid.
 

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Doogie had Gabe interview on his podcast. Gabe literally said Ben and Thor are his guys going back from DeLaSalle. Said Ben and Thor went after him hard but he had his mind already made up. Doogie asked Gabe and tried to get him to speak out on why he’s leaving and he wouldn’t. Stay positive and polite. After the interview Doogie said the negative stuff wore him down. Had Gabe wanted to be here, he’d been welcomed with open arms.

For those saying "ben promised him nothing so he left", this might say otherwise. Ben and Thor couldn't convince Gabe to stay. That hurts and is not a good look.

Negative stuff wore him down? Come on Doogie, stop spinning so much, you're gonna get dizzy.
 

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For those saying "ben promised him nothing so he left", this might say otherwise. Ben and Thor couldn't convince Gabe to stay. That hurts and is not a good look.

Negative stuff wore him down? Come on Doogie, stop spinning so much, you're gonna get dizzy.
Doogie is a spinner no doubt, but he’s not the only one saying the negative stuff wore him down. It’s fair to say it had some influence in this case.

Ben and Thor can save face by killing the 2022 class. This will hurt for a week. Then it may hurt some more if he kills it in Ames
 

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Doogie had Gabe interview on his podcast. Gabe literally said Ben and Thor are his guys going back from DeLaSalle. Said Ben and Thor went after him hard but he had his mind already made up. Doogie asked Gabe and tried to get him to speak out on why he’s leaving and he wouldn’t. Stay positive and polite. After the interview Doogie said the negative stuff wore him down. Had Gabe wanted to be here, he’d been welcomed with open arms.

What’s the over/under on the frequency the negative media (newspaper, TV, Gooherhole, social media, etc) is used to negative recruit against the U for local talent?

It says a lot that a likely team captain, who has the potential to reunite with coaches he respects and trusts, decides to transfer for his Senior year away from home.

Folks on here blaming Coach Johnson need to wake up. Look at your GopherHole posts and the comments section of Gopher hoops articles in the Strib if you are struggling to identify the problem.

All the best to Gabe, gave us more effort than we deserved and I hope his shot starts falling so he can make some $ in Europe chasing his dream.
 

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What’s the over/under on the frequency the negative media (newspaper, TV, Gooherhole, social media, etc) is used to negative recruit against the U for local talent?

It says a lot that a likely team captain, who has the potential to reunite with coaches he respects and trusts, decides to transfer for his Senior year away from home.

Folks on here blaming Coach Johnson need to wake up. Look at your GopherHole posts and the comments section of Gopher hoops articles in the Strib if you are struggling to identify the problem.

All the best to Gabe, gave us more effort than we deserved and I hope his shot starts falling so he can make some $ in Europe chasing his dream.
Good post!! It is used in recruiting here for sure. I’m sure it’s used in other places to if a program chooses to negatively recruit.

We can’t be selective about if we want local kids and then not be more supportive of them. Michael Hurt is another example. Michael didn’t do a ton on the court, but he represented the program excellently, worked his tail off, and oh yeah his dad owned part of D1MN.... Fans on social media tore him apart and ripped him endlessly. If you think his parents and him didn’t see that and if you think it doesn’t get talked about then your choosing to be blind. These kids owe us nothing beyond work hard, being a good student, and being a good citizen. The product on the floor is on the coaching staff. They recruited them and coached them.
 

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Look, fans keeping a positive attitude sounds great in theory, but it is like leaving a kindergarten class alone for an hour with candy and breakable objects, and then being surprised when the candy is gone, the kids are fighting, and some things are broken. And it’s going to be true whether those kids are in Minnesota, Iowa, Florida, or Alaska.

A D1 basketball player who is not playing well on a losing team is going to be talked about in a negative way by fans on social media/message boards/etc. That’s going to be true everywhere. You get the free education, stipend, free gear, and notoriety, but along with that is going to come some other stuff that you’d probably rather not deal with. Now, there is a big difference between someone ranting about a poor shooting performance on Twitter without tagging anyone vs. someone sending a player DMs telling them they are worthless. I don’t know what exactly was happening here, but I hope we all know that the latter of those crosses a line to being extremely inappropriate and borderline illegal.

I’d be surprised if we are a drastically more hardcore than other Power 6 program fan bases when it comes to going off on social media. I’m willing to bet negative recruiting could be done against every other Power 6 program by printing out a few comments from message boards and a few social media responses and showing them to recruits. (Look at Ohio State. And that was an All B1G First Team player who lead his team to a 2 seed in the NCAAs!)

So, yes, people need to calm down on social media in general, but I’m really not sure that it makes a huge difference to most players unless it crosses a line. Maybe Gabe is just a little more sensitive to it, and that’s okay. He was by all accounts a stand up guy here who did things the right way and gave his best. He clearly wasn’t happy here and next year is more than likely a rebuilding year for the program so a fresh start was probably best for all parties. I hold no ill will toward him, and wish him the best at Iowa State.
 


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What’s the over/under on the frequency the negative media (newspaper, TV, Gooherhole, social media, etc) is used to negative recruit against the U for local talent?

It says a lot that a likely team captain, who has the potential to reunite with coaches he respects and trusts, decides to transfer for his Senior year away from home.

Folks on here blaming Coach Johnson need to wake up. Look at your GopherHole posts and the comments section of Gopher hoops articles in the Strib if you are struggling to identify the problem.

All the best to Gabe, gave us more effort than we deserved and I hope his shot starts falling so he can make some $ in Europe chasing his dream.
I think we underestimate the psychological fatigue of this past Covid season where kids lived in a bubble. The incapacity to breathe and get out had to take a toll. Plus, Gabe strikes me as the kid who wanted perfection and ultimately over analyzed his shot to the point he needed a new setting and a place to let go of his frustration with his shot. Get away. It may be really a healthy choice on his part.
 

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Look, fans keeping a positive attitude sounds great in theory, but it is like leaving a kindergarten class alone for an hour with candy and breakable objects, and then being surprised when the candy is gone, the kids are fighting, and some things are broken. And it’s going to be true whether those kids are in Minnesota, Iowa, Florida, or Alaska.

A D1 basketball player who is not playing well on a losing team is going to be talked about in a negative way by fans on social media/message boards/etc. That’s going to be true everywhere. You get the free education, stipend, free gear, and notoriety, but along with that is going to come some other stuff that you’d probably rather not deal with. Now, there is a big difference between someone ranting about a poor shooting performance on Twitter without tagging anyone vs. someone sending a player DMs telling them they are worthless. I don’t know what exactly was happening here, but I hope we all know that the latter of those crosses a line to being extremely inappropriate and borderline illegal.

I’d be surprised if we are a drastically more hardcore than other Power 6 program fan bases when it comes to going off on social media. I’m willing to bet negative recruiting could be done against every other Power 6 program by printing out a few comments from message boards and a few social media responses and showing them to recruits. (Look at Ohio State. And that was an All B1G First Team player who lead his team to a 2 seed in the NCAAs!)

So, yes, people need to calm down on social media in general, but I’m really not sure that it makes a huge difference to most players unless it crosses a line. Maybe Gabe is just a little more sensitive to it, and that’s okay. He was by all accounts a stand up guy here who did things the right way and gave his best. He clearly wasn’t happy here and next year is more than likely a rebuilding year for the program so a fresh start was probably best for all parties. I hold no ill will toward him, and wish him the best at Iowa State.
But its different when it's your "home" that does it to you. You go from being a hero to a zero in the places that you remember feeling good about yourself.
 




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