Fleck: “I’m proud of our players fight. We didn’t turn the ball over which is really positive for us…We have a really good football team though.”

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My respect for Coach Fleck is that he does a great job training young men to be good citizens and fathers when they leave the program. Unfortunately, they are not great football players at this present time, which is what Coach Fleck is being paid to produce.

I am not sure what has to change regarding becoming a great football team, but the ass kicking by a mediocre Iowa team is a wake up call to Coach Fleck to "change his best" because his best is not very good at the moment.
 

FinnGopher said:
My respect for Coach Fleck is that he does a great job training young men to be good citizens and fathers when they leave the program. Unfortunately, they are not great football players at this present time, which is what Coach Fleck is being paid to produce.

I am not sure what has to change regarding becoming a great football team, but the ass kicking by a mediocre Iowa team is a wake up call to Coach Fleck to "change his best" because his best is not very good at the moment.
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I used to believe training young men to be good citizens and adults coming out of the program was important. My view changed when I realized just how little that matters to programs for youth sports, regardless of their stated intentions.

Players are developed to win. Those who contribute to winning get praise and perks. The older they get, the more they want/need to be motivated.

Late generation Millenials and Gen Z don't hold "a good education" in high esteem because it doesn't guarantee them making "big bank" aka a large income. Thus athletics, especially organized team athletics, are the focus for the physically gifted and they start demanding more at a younger age.

We now are dealing with a generation of athletes who demand the most that they can get. Culture and traditional education fail on an epic level for them. Being "a good person" is defined by money and accumulation of luxury goods, not how you treat people, like we believe it ought to be. Being nice is an afterthought.

I've struggled with realizing that as I've gotten older. The entire University still believes in those ideals, but fail to understand how it strangles financial opportunities which are critical for them.
 


PMWinSTP said:
Exactly where I am at with the game. Still feel 8-4 is very doable, 9-3 with some luck on Gophs side. If Gophs end up 6-6 or 7-5, Fleck's seat needs to be very warm and Coyle should do what Indiana did, hire a successful G-6 coach who will bring his best 10-12 players with him. Right now I would be eyeing Ryan Silverfield. On his way to a third consecutive 10 or more win season at Memphis. I would be looking at Navy's HC as well.
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Gophers likely will not win more than two of the remaining four games and they will have to fight and scrap to do that, with Wisconsin and Mich. State best hopes for wins. They play badly on the road, so N'Western and Oregon are likely losses, Oregon a big one. 7-5 season - win the bowl and it's 8-5. After firing winning coaches - Bierman, Warmath, Mason - the Gophers have floundered. Better to stick with PJ and hope he can find a recruiter somewhere.
 

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