Five Guys On A Shortlist: If the U Decides Change Is Needed, Aim High & Don't Be Cheap With That Big Ten Cash

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howeda7 said:
I tend to agree that Otz is not gettable. I doubt Miller or McDermott are either outside of the B1G/Big East factor.

My top 10 (after obligatory calls to Dutcher and Musselman).

1. Brad Brownell-Clemson. This is a reach too. But he's been there a long time, been on the hot seat a couple times and the ACC might be UNC or FSU bolting away from chaos. Would have to pay him a Fleck-ian salary though.

2. Darian DeVries-WVU

3. Ben McCollum-Drake

4. Tad Boyle-Colorado

5. Niko Medved-CSU

6. Chris Mack-Charleston

7. Leon Rice-Boise

8. Craig Smith-Utah

9. Anthony Grant-Dayton

10. Sundance Wicks-Wyoming
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Very few of these would garner the kind of excitement that is needed with this hire. Coyle screwed up the last hire terribly, and it is going to cost him quite a bit to recover.
 

Tucker32 said:
Big East has nowhere the money the Big Ten does. And, if you get the right coach in ticket revenue will increase significantly. I think you are way underestimating what the Big Ten dollars are and will continue to be compared to others. Not having football will be a significant disadvantage over time for the Big East schools.
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The Big East schools have some of the biggest budgets in all of college basketball.

This is pure lunacy that people are trying to argue something that isn't arguable. The Gophers have ZERO chance to lure Sampson, Miller, Otz, McDermott. ZERO. ZERO.

On one hand everyone is talking about how the gophers cant afford to keep players here and we always dumpster dive for players. On the other we have people saying they can win a bidding war for Sampson and TJO.

Cannot make this shit up
 





MUgopher32 said:
Forgetting about the state of the job.

But even money wise the Gophers are not upping the salaries of Otz or even McDermott or Miller. People are overestimating what we can spend for hoops and/or greatly underestimating what those teams all have.
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And you are not a coach...(1) I can coach in the Big Ten? Be in the best conference? (2). They are not very good, so I get to build it my way...nothing to tear down. No expectations...I'll be king when we win! (3) And, they are going to pay me a million, two million more dollars than I make now? (4) And my wife loves the idea of living in a major league city with tons of school choices and shopping. I don't know which one, but that's a factor for some HR hire. 5. New practice facility, home court games advantage.
 


60's Guy said:
And you are not a coach...(1) I can coach in the Big Ten? Be in the best conference? (2). They are not very good, so I get to build it my way...nothing to tear down. No expectations...I'll be king when we win! (3) And, they are going to pay me a million, two million more dollars than I make now? (4) And my wife loves the idea of living in a major league city with tons of school choices and shopping. I don't know which one, but that's a factor for some HR hire. 5. New practice facility, home court games advantage.
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1. The Big 10 is not the best conference. Its certainly not enticing anyone to leave the Big12 or SEC

2. Yeah, why would a coach leave where they are successful at a good program to go to a worse one

3. Why would they take less money

4. Have you watched basketball? We ended up with Ben Johnson for a reason. Losing has made this fan base legit braindead
 

MUgopher32 said:
1. The Big 10 is not the best conference. Its certainly not enticing anyone to leave the Big12 or SEC

2. Yeah, why would a coach leave where they are successful at a good program to go to a worse one

3. Why would they take less money

4. Have you watched basketball? We ended up with Ben Johnson for a reason. Losing has made this fan base legit braindead
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1. Big Ten has more money than the Big 12.
2. Tons of reasons...your AD is an idiot, you need a change, you do not feel appreciated for all you believe you have accomplished. On and on.
3. Nobody would. As several have said...Minnesota can find the money if they want to.
4. Basketball had absolutely nothing to do with hiring Ben Johnson.
 



MUgopher32 said:
The Big East schools have some of the biggest budgets in all of college basketball.

This is pure lunacy that people are trying to argue something that isn't arguable. The Gophers have ZERO chance to lure Sampson, Miller, Otz, McDermott. ZERO. ZERO.

On one hand everyone is talking about how the gophers cant afford to keep players here and we always dumpster dive for players. On the other we have people saying they can win a bidding war for Sampson and TJO.

Cannot make this shit up
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People that are this condescending and sure of themselves can’t be wrong. So I gotta side with him.
 


Tucker32 said:
Very few of these would garner the kind of excitement that is needed with this hire. Coyle screwed up the last hire terribly, and it is going to cost him quite a bit to recover.
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They don't need to generate excitement at the press conference. They need to hire someone who know's how to build a program and win with limited resources in CBB's current landscape. A competitive team will generate excitement.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
They don't need to generate excitement at the press conference. They need to hire someone who know's how to build a program and win with limited resources in CBB's current landscape. A competitive team will generate excitement.
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i mean the right hire can do both.....that makes the list a whole lot more selective but they gotta get this right
 



60's Guy said:
1. Big Ten has more money than the Big 12.
2. Tons of reasons...your AD is an idiot, you need a change, you do not feel appreciated for all you believe you have accomplished. On and on.
3. Nobody would. As several have said...Minnesota can find the money if they want to.
4. Basketball had absolutely nothing to do with hiring Ben Johnson.
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1. This right here is your issue. Leagues don't pay for coaches. Schools do. Minnesota does not have a bigger basketball budget than any of the teams of top coaches referenced. That is a FACT.

2. None of those coaches are in situations where they are unappreciated with bad ADs. Again, they are getting paid more and winning while loved.

3. No, the gophers cannot just magically make a budget they don't have appear.

4. Correct, resources did. They don't have them.

You can keep doubling down but its not going to get any more intelligent.
 


MUgopher32 said:
1. This right here is your issue. Leagues don't pay for coaches. Schools do. Minnesota does not have a bigger basketball budget than any of the teams of top coaches referenced. That is a FACT.

2. None of those coaches are in situations where they are unappreciated with bad ADs. Again, they are getting paid more and winning while loved.

3. No, the gophers cannot just magically make a budget they don't have appear.

4. Correct, resources did. They don't have them.

You can keep doubling down but its not going to get any more intelligent.
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You are just talking out of your Arse!!!

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I put together a spreadsheet with the top 60 basketball revenue schools.

The U is currently at a low spot in local/national popularity and it still ranks 44th this year at about $18 mil. That can easily be raise by about 4-5 mil if the program starts winning. that would put them into the top 20 - 30 programs in the country. Florida State jump this year from $18 to almost $25 mil, Arkansas did the opposite in dropping from $25 mill down to $20 mil just this year.

A good coach that brings in the fans can easily make the U one of the top 25. Hell, Rutgers is at 28th with $21 mil

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MUgopher32 said:
Its not even condescending

Its just a fact the Minnesota golden gophers cannot poach a coach like Kelvin Sampson

Its embarrassing people even are arguing this
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I agree with this. Coaches like those that have been mentioned go upward to bigger and better programs not downward to bottom feeder programs.

Keep the thought process for a new coach in the world of reality which would be a program builder from a Mid Major or a big time program assistant who has been with top level coaches throughout his career.
 


I appreciate all the feedback on this topic. Interesting to hear all the different names. Let's take it to the next level and get more specific with names. I'm excluding all head coaches from the Big Ten and SEC (the Power 2, so to speak).

Let's say Mark Coyle sets his sights on a sitting heading coach from the ACC, Big, East, or Big XII, or a select group of others (for various reasons) from outisde those conferences.

How many of the following sitting head coaches would get YOUR SEAL OF APPROVAL, AND and be BOTH INTERESTED & GETTABLE for Minnesota? I'm listing every coach, even if there's no chance in h*ll to land them. I ask that you name no more than 5. We'll add up the numbers on New Year's Day and give Coyle our top 5 recommendations from this list! (wink, wink)

1. Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway (Memphis)
2. Andy Kennedy (UAB)
3. Earl Grant (Boston College)
4. Mark Madsen (Cal)
5. Brad Brownell (Clemson)
6. Jon Scheyer (Duke)
7. Leonard Hamilton (Florida State)
8. Damon Stoudamire (Georgia Tech)
9. Pat Kelsey (Louisville)
10. Jim Larranaga (Miami)
11. Hubert Davis (North Carolina)
12. Kevin Keatts (NC State)
13. Micah Shrewsberry (Notre Dame)
14. Jeff Capel (Pitt)
15. Andy Enfield (SMU)
16. Kyle Smith (Stanford)
17. Adrian Autry (Syracuse)
18. Ron Sanchez (Virginia)
19. Mike Young (Virginia Tech)
20. Steve Forbes (Wake Forest)
21. Anthony Grant (Dayton)
22. Archie Miller (Rhode Island)
23. Mark Schmidt (Saint Bonaventure)
24. Thad Matta (Butler)
25. Greg McDermott (Creighton)
26. Chris Holtmann (DePaul)
27. Ed Cooley (Georgetown)
28. Shaka Smart (Marquette)
29. Kim English (Providence)
30. Rick Pitino (Saint John's)
31. Shaheen Holloway (Seton Hall)
32. Danny Hurley (UConn)
33. Kyle Neptune (Villanova)
34. Sean Miller (Xavier)
35. Tommy Lloyd (Arizona)
36. Bobby Hurley (Arizona State)
37. Scott Drew (Baylor)
38. Kevin Young (BYU)
39. Wes Miller (Cincinnati)
40. Tad Boyle (Colorado)
41. Kelvin Sampson (Houston)
42. TJ Otzelberger (Iowa State)
43. Bill Self (Kansas)
44. Jerome Tang (K-State)
45. Steve Lutz (Oklahoma State)
46. Jamie Dixon (TCU)
47. Grant McCasland (Texas Tech)
48. Johnny Dawkins (UCF)
49. Craig Smith (Utah)
50. Darian DeVries (West Virginia)
51. Chris Mack (College of Charleston)
52. Mitch Henderson (Princeton)
53. John Groce (Akron)
54. Brian Wardle (Bradley)
55. Ben McCollum (Drake)
56. Ben Jacobson (Northern Iowa)
57. Leon Rice (Boise State)
58. Niko Medved (Colorado State)
59. Steve Alford (Nevada)
60. Brian Dutcher (San Diego State)
61. Tim Miles (San Jose State)
62. Sundance Wicks (Wyoming)
63. Will Wade (McNeese)
64. Dave Richman (North Dakota State)
65. Johnny Tauer (Saint Thomas)
66. Eric Henderson (South Dakota State)
67. Bryan Hodgson (Arkansas State)
68. Randy Bennett (Saint Mary's)
69. Bryce Drew (Grand Canyon)
 
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Tucker32 said:
Very few of these would garner the kind of excitement that is needed with this hire. Coyle screwed up the last hire terribly, and it is going to cost him quite a bit to recover.
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Outside of Musselman and Dutcher, no realistic hire will generate immediate excitement. They will have to actually win games to do that, and not just against the Morgan State's of the world.
 

MUgopher32 said:
1. The Big 10 is not the best conference. Its certainly not enticing anyone to leave the Big12 or SEC

2. Yeah, why would a coach leave where they are successful at a good program to go to a worse one

3. Why would they take less money

4. Have you watched basketball? We ended up with Ben Johnson for a reason. Losing has made this fan base legit braindead
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While you might be right about specific coaches, anyone who suggested we could hire Tubby Smith in 2007 would have been similarly dismissed.

The B1G and the SEC have the most $$ now and that advantage will continue to grow in the future. This isn't just about basketball it's about total AD revenue and wanting to be in the "Big 2".

So I don't buy that we can't poach a coach from the Big 12/ACC or especially the Big East. We may not get McDermott or Otzelberger specifically, but the notion should not and cannot be dismissed categorically.
 

MUgopher32 said:
Its not even condescending

Its just a fact the Minnesota golden gophers cannot poach a coach like Kelvin Sampson

Its embarrassing people even are arguing this
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Kelvin Sampson is about to turn 70. He shouldn't even be a target even if we could get him. But other Big 12 coaches like Tad Boyle and DeVries? Certainly.
 

howeda7 said:
Kelvin Sampson is about to turn 70. He shouldn't even be a target even if we could get him. But other Big 12 coaches like Tad Boyle and DeVries? Certainly.
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Kelvin is tight with the Fertitta brothers(casino money) who are big money boosters for Houston.
 

Selection Sunday Poll... (I think you might need a new thread for this?)
My 5 are 5 I would 100% reach out to...I haven't done enough research to say they are my drop dead Top 5 by any means:
Brian Dutcher
Sean Miller
TJ Otzelberger
Ben McCollum
Bryce Drew
On the surface, Ben McCollum is my first choice. He wins! He's youngish.
Dutcher likely tells us to F off
We ain't likely to approve of Sean Miller
TJ probably isn't interested but I'd talk to him.
Bryce Drew...what happened at Vanderbilt? Is MN a repeat waiting?

Regarding all Niko talk...he has the required connection to the program but his average conference finish over 11 years is about 5th place plus...after this year it will be 6th. What? He's going to do better jumping up in competition?
 

60's Guy said:
Selection Sunday Poll... (I think you might need a new thread for this?)
My 5 are 5 I would 100% reach out to...I haven't done enough research to say they are my drop dead Top 5 by any means:
Brian Dutcher
Sean Miller
TJ Otzelberger
Ben McCollum
Bryce Drew
On the surface, Ben McCollum is my first choice. He wins! He's youngish.
Dutcher likely tells us to F off
We ain't likely to approve of Sean Miller
TJ probably isn't interested but I'd talk to him.
Bryce Drew...what happened at Vanderbilt? Is MN a repeat waiting?

Regarding all Niko talk...he has the required connection to the program but his average conference finish over 11 years is about 5th place plus...after this year it will be 6th. What? He's going to do better jumping up in competition?
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Figured I’d just leave it here, not double up on threads essentially centered around the same topic.

Thanks for chiming in.
 

MUgopher32 said:
1. This right here is your issue. Leagues don't pay for coaches. Schools do. Minnesota does not have a bigger basketball budget than any of the teams of top coaches referenced. That is a FACT.

2. None of those coaches are in situations where they are unappreciated with bad ADs. Again, they are getting paid more and winning while loved.

3. No, the gophers cannot just magically make a budget they don't have appear.

4. Correct, resources did. They don't have them.

You can keep doubling down but its not going to get any more intelligent.
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Players get 20% in the revenue sharing proposal. Seems to me if you fill the Barn at say an average of $60.00 bucks a ticket over the course of the season that is a bit of change that would be going to the players, add the TV revenue, NIL funding, etc. that is that much more. Not going to be greater than other Big Ten teams but it will be competitive with most other conferences you will be competing for players with.

Have to start filling the barn though, that is an important piece of the puzzle with revenue sharing. Gophers MBB can and should be getting a greater portion of the revenue sharing pie.

Recruiting is probably the most important factor, the ability to attract qualified coaches increases greatly as the ability to recruit improves and money is the most important factor in recruiting. If a school can pay a non starter in the 600k range you just have to have enough money to pay your top 3 or 4 guys in the same range and you can be competitive.
 

SelectionSunday said:
I'm excluding all head coaches from the SEC.
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I think there are a couple of SEC guys who might jump to Minnesota if the situation/pay was right.

Mississippi State head coach Chris Jans grew up 3 hours from the Twin Cities and has won everywhere he's been, including some of the lower levels where he has won BIG, including a national JUCO title. Was part of the Wichita State staff when they were rolling, including a Final Four and a 35-0 team heading into the NCAA Tourney. He has the baggage from the Bowling Green situation, which could eliminate him at Minnesota. But, he seems to have resurrected his career. And, jumping from Mississippi State to Minnesota would follow the path taken by Murray Warmath. He coaches a hard-nosed, tough brand of ball. He played college hoops in the Midwest and has coached in the Midwest.

South Carolina head coach Lamont Paris has Midwest and Big Ten roots, including a long stint as Bo Ryan's assistant at Wisconsin. Has successful head coaching experience at two levels and he has put South Carolina back on the map in a short time.

Again, no idea if either would want the job, but I wouldn't eliminate either, given their Midwest roots. And, I'd be fine with either, honestly.

We'd have to outbid a couple of SEC programs, of course, so maybe it is unrealistic. I suppose it also depends on how each guy likes warm weather or cares if it gets cold. But, the south isn't for everyone, either.
 
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Gophs24 said:
i mean the right hire can do both.....that makes the list a whole lot more selective but they gotta get this right
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I agree, I just don't think it needs to be a big, splashy name hire. Give me a guy who knows how to be a head coach and has proven he can win, even if it's at a lower level.
 

skiumah1 said:
Can you imagine? Holy Jesus

That would be the Home Run of Home Runs.

Retires from Villanova...takes Minnesota job haha. I like the sound of that.
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Didn't Jay Wright get out of coaching for the specific recruiting reasons that the Gophers have been dealing with? As in, he didn't want to have to deal with the problems with an unchecked transfer portal and the idea that getting that prized recruit could come down to simply money above every other opportunity (playing time/style, education, prestige, tournament opportunities) offered by one school or another.

From his vibe when he resigned, he seemed like he would much rather be coaching at the D-3 or NAIA level where NIL money and everything not basketball/education/college experience-related is not really much of an issue.
 

60's Guy said:
1. Big Ten has more money than the Big 12.
2. Tons of reasons...your AD is an idiot, you need a change, you do not feel appreciated for all you believe you have accomplished. On and on.
3. Nobody would. As several have said...Minnesota can find the money if they want to.
4. Basketball had absolutely nothing to do with hiring Ben Johnson.
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So with your insider connections you imply that Johnson was a minority hire.
 

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