ESPN's Bennett on Claeys: Whom could the Gophers reasonably hire who would be better?

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Like Michigan State doesn't lose in Indiana. Road games are no sure thing in Big 10.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Well how do college coaches without previous head coaching experience get hired? How to do people applying for any job get hired?
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Are you concerned with resume pointers or job tips?

That doesn't really seem to have anything to do with the topic.
 



Go Gophers Rah said:
For some reason it was very enlightening and shocking this weekend when Georgia Tech's Paul Johnson said the "expectations must meet commitment," when talking about college football. This is where we, as a fanbase, fall very short. The commitment to Gophers football, from every facet, is far less than the expectations in my opinion. I understand that this is a chicken-and-egg kind of a deal, but if we can't fill seats in our stadium or raise funds from alumni and fans, how can we expect the program to magically improve?

Personally, I think it will take a BIG commitment from the top (University President and Regents and maybe even the Governor and Legislature) to get us to the next place. A handful of wealthy alumni or even a single wealthy alumnus wouldn't hurt either.

There are programs out there that just made a decision that they would excel; even when there was no evidence that that be easy or even possible. One that comes to mind is Louisville. They made a commitment in the mid-80's that they were going to become relevant. They had been a feeble team up until that point. Since then, they have spent big money on big name coaches (starting with Miami University's Howard Schnellenberger). Not every choice has paid dividends for them, but they have always been swinging for the fence. In the past 10 years, they have won over 45% of their games against ranked opponents while we have won less than 10% of the time against ranked opponents. Is Louisville a better University? No. Does Kentucky have better HS players than Minnesota? Maybe - but not by leaps-and-bounds. Is UofL a richer university system than the U of M? No. It has simply been a function of the Louisville administration making an absolutely greater commitment to fielding a winning football team.

At some point in time, Claeys will leave the University of Minnesota. If we do not write out a humongous check for the next coach, that will continue to tell the story of the lack of commitment to fielding a winning football team.
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Good read, interesting post. I like Johnson's quote.

Go Gophers!!
 


Go Gophers Rah said:
For some reason it was very enlightening and shocking this weekend when Georgia Tech's Paul Johnson said the "expectations must meet commitment," when talking about college football. This is where we, as a fanbase, fall very short. The commitment to Gophers football, from every facet, is far less than the expectations in my opinion. I understand that this is a chicken-and-egg kind of a deal, but if we can't fill seats in our stadium or raise funds from alumni and fans, how can we expect the program to magically improve?

Personally, I think it will take a BIG commitment from the top (University President and Regents and maybe even the Governor and Legislature) to get us to the next place. A handful of wealthy alumni or even a single wealthy alumnus wouldn't hurt either.

There are programs out there that just made a decision that they would excel; even when there was no evidence that that be easy or even possible. One that comes to mind is Louisville. They made a commitment in the mid-80's that they were going to become relevant. They had been a feeble team up until that point. Since then, they have spent big money on big name coaches (starting with Miami University's Howard Schnellenberger). Not every choice has paid dividends for them, but they have always been swinging for the fence. In the past 10 years, they have won over 45% of their games against ranked opponents while we have won less than 10% of the time against ranked opponents. Is Louisville a better University? No. Does Kentucky have better HS players than Minnesota? Maybe - but not by leaps-and-bounds. Is UofL a richer university system than the U of M? No. It has simply been a function of the Louisville administration making an absolutely greater commitment to fielding a winning football team.

At some point in time, Claeys will leave the University of Minnesota. If we do not write out a humongous check for the next coach, that will continue to tell the story of the lack of commitment to fielding a winning football team.
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I agree, we are Minnesota. We want to be winners but not have to put skin in the game $$$!
 


Go4Family said:
I agree, we are Minnesota. We want to be winners but not have to put skin in the game $$$!
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This is very good point, but did we not just throw a huge salary at Mark Coyle to be our AD to do just that?
 

gophmeister said:
This is very good point, but did we not just throw a huge salary at Mark Coyle to be our AD to do just that?
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Pretty sure we hired him to be the AD.

What he does with football remains to be seen.
 






A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Are you concerned with resume pointers or job tips?

That doesn't really seem to have anything to do with the topic.
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Sure it does. I pointed out three head coaches without head coaching experience prior to this year, and their previous jobs.

Resume and job interviews is all you really have to make the best decision on the best possible head coach for the future.
 




dpodoll68 said:
Where are you getting your info? Based on what I can see, Claeys makes about $1.5 million and Hazell makes about $2.1 million.
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I thought we had a cluster of Wilson, Hazell, Durkin and Ash sitting around $2.5 million a season. My mistake. Harbaugh is making $7M and I think Meyer, Dantonio and Ferentz are all near $5M and everyone else is around $3M. One could argue that Hazell has more job security than Claeys thanks in part to his huge buyout.

Just to be clear, I'm not advocating that Claeys should be fired, just pointing out the conditions exist where he could be let go at the end of the season.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Sure it does. I pointed out three head coaches without head coaching experience prior to this year, and their previous jobs.

Resume and job interviews is all you really have to make the best decision on the best possible head coach for the future.
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Except those resumes don't really point to future success much.

Same goes with folks arguing we need to spend a lot more money, plenty of schools do that and and up firing their coaches too.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Except those resumes don't really point to future success much.

Same goes with folks arguing we need to spend a lot more money, plenty of schools do that and and up firing their coaches too.
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I agree. All I was saying is usually the people with the best resume and interview are the ones who get hired, because they appear to have the best chance for success.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
We don't, and who knows if Lovie can succeed at the college level. But based on resume's who would you rather have?

Claeys: Longtime DC under Kill at Southern Illinois, Northern Illinois, and Minnesota.
Ash: Defensive Coordinator under Bielema at Wisconsin and Arkansas, and under Meyer at Ohio St.
Durkin: DC under Muschamp at Florida, and under Harbaugh at Michigan. Was also the DE/ST coach under Harbaugh at Stanford.

Claeys finishes third on that list by a lot.

Ash and Durkin also have Maryland and Rutgers in the top 25 for recruiting in their first year.
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And Tim Brewster had us at 27 during his first full year of recruiting. Because the recruits were that good? Or because the "experts" just figured since these guys are "good" recruiters that their classes must be awesome.

We all know how that fiasco turned out. Maybe Ash and Durkin are that good. Maybe they aren't. a few games are not info information from which to build an argument.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Does it matter if I agree or not?

Do you think he should have done something?
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To the point about how to build a winner it does. We didn't hire Mark Coyle to make sure we had a nice boathouse for the rowing team. I don't think he should have done anything yet, but he could do something down the road.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
I agree. All I was saying is usually the people with the best resume and interview are the ones who get hired, because they appear to have the best chance for success.
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Wait, someone with the best resume who interviews well is more likely to get the job? Crazy.
 

gophmeister said:
To the point about how to build a winner it does. We didn't hire Mark Coyle to make sure we had a nice boathouse for the rowing team. I don't think he should have done anything yet, but he could do something down the road.
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Yeah I'll agree that whatever he does, right now isn't the time, yet.
 


Go Gophers Rah said:
For some reason it was very enlightening and shocking this weekend when Georgia Tech's Paul Johnson said the "expectations must meet commitment," when talking about college football. This is where we, as a fanbase, fall very short. The commitment to Gophers football, from every facet, is far less than the expectations in my opinion. I understand that this is a chicken-and-egg kind of a deal, but if we can't fill seats in our stadium or raise funds from alumni and fans, how can we expect the program to magically improve?

Personally, I think it will take a BIG commitment from the top (University President and Regents and maybe even the Governor and Legislature) to get us to the next place. A handful of wealthy alumni or even a single wealthy alumnus wouldn't hurt either.

There are programs out there that just made a decision that they would excel; even when there was no evidence that that be easy or even possible. One that comes to mind is Louisville. They made a commitment in the mid-80's that they were going to become relevant. They had been a feeble team up until that point. Since then, they have spent big money on big name coaches (starting with Miami University's Howard Schnellenberger). Not every choice has paid dividends for them, but they have always been swinging for the fence. In the past 10 years, they have won over 45% of their games against ranked opponents while we have won less than 10% of the time against ranked opponents. Is Louisville a better University? No. Does Kentucky have better HS players than Minnesota? Maybe - but not by leaps-and-bounds. Is UofL a richer university system than the U of M? No. It has simply been a function of the Louisville administration making an absolutely greater commitment to fielding a winning football team.

At some point in time, Claeys will leave the University of Minnesota. If we do not write out a humongous check for the next coach, that will continue to tell the story of the lack of commitment to fielding a winning football team.
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Minnesotans love and expect a winner, they just don't want to be expected to do anything other than show up and watch the team win (and then leave with 10 minutes left in a close game with the conf. title on the line to....beat the traffic).
 


Well don't hire Dantonio.... He loses at Indiana after all. In fact don't hire anyone who has ever or ever will lose a game...

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Here we go again. Many people have "boring" lives. Claeys is our coach and I'm going to give him a chance and I believe he can get it done.
 

I think we did have a pretty good recruiting class last year. We can live with 3 and 1 right now, even if we most all think we should have beaten Penn St. And if that is what we think then Tracy has made us think he's got pretty decent football team. That seems overlooked in the panic. So, how we play against Iowa is a major factor in the direction of Tracy Claeys and the football program. We can recover from a loss to Iowa but with a win life looks much better to Gopher football followers! Beat the dang Hawkeyes!!!
 

Hates Monikers said:
Upsets do happen. But I'd guess Dantonio has built up enough credibility over the years to weather the storm.
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The point is good coaches do lose to worse teams. The loss to Penn St. alone doesn't prove Claeys is a bad head coach.
 

Pete Carroll has mn connection
 

GophersInIowa said:
The point is good coaches do lose to worse teams. The loss to Penn St. alone doesn't prove Claeys is a bad head coach.
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This is putting aside the fact that people are calling Penn St. the worse team because it fits their agenda, even though they were the betting favorite.
 

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