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"Hey Mav, pass me a towel..."

Probably the most common phrase Ahanmisi will hear this next season.

That being said, do we expect Mathieu to come in and start immediately?
 

tinyarch said:
"Hey Mav, pass me a towel..."

Probably the most common phrase Ahanmisi will hear this next season.

That being said, do we expect Mathieu to come in and start immediately?
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I think Mav will still play a bit. By all accounts he is an extremely hard worked and great kid. I think whatever Pitino asks of him, he will do it.
 

tinyarch said:
"Hey Mav, pass me a towel..."

Probably the most common phrase Ahanmisi will hear this next season.

That being said, do we expect Mathieu to come in and start immediately?
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I think I would start him, but not sure if Pitino will... I would go with Dre x2, Austin, Buggs, EE
 

scher215 said:
Mo all depends on if he can get into shape or not. He really does seem to be a skilled player, just needs to get that body in order and he could be a tremendous asset.

If he can start to move better, he could surprise some folks.
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You could be right, I'm just not holding my breath. He's got to stay healthy first. And even if he does slim down and get a little more athletic, his style of play still doesn't fit very well for what Pitino wants to do.
 

I don't mean to be flippant when I write this; I know a lot of work goes into this, but from an outsider fan's perspective, it feels like Pitino ordered up a three-star point guard like some of us order a pizza. Again, not saying recruiting is easy for anyone, but this guy clearly has the knack - besides the energy and work ethic. Hard not to see this as a harbinger.
 


GopherSteak said:
lol!

Last year there was a little confusion but this adds another wrench to it. Sadly, Austin graduates soon as we will only have one Hollins.
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Hollins
Hollins

Ellenson
Eliason

Dre
Dre

This is getting fun...

If we sign another Maverick, I will $hit my pants.
 

Bad Gopher said:
I don't mean to be flippant when I write this; I know a lot of work goes into this, but from an outsider fan's perspective, it feels like Pitino ordered up a three-star point guard like some of us order a pizza. Again, not saying recruiting is easy for anyone, but this guy clearly has the knack - besides the energy and work ethic. Hard not to see this as a harbinger.
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Lets hope he ordered up a SG with the last names Freeman and Vaughn as well :)
 

bemidjigopher said:
They're both solid gets, I think Mathieu was a 3 star and McNeil is a two or three depending on the recruiting service. Now lets get a big man
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Don't take this personally, but how in the world is a 2 star recruit a "solid" get?
 

tinyarch said:
"Hey Mav, pass me a towel..."

Probably the most common phrase Ahanmisi will hear this next season.

That being said, do we expect Mathieu to come in and start immediately?
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Oddly enough, I don't think Ahanmisi's PT is effected too much by this. He played 10 minutes per game last year, and I think it'll be pretty similar. He can shoot from the outside (one of our better last year) and now we aren't stuck with the liability of him bringing the ball up the court.
 



Those that think Joe Colemen isn't starting are off their rockers. He is a Pitino style player. Kid EXCELS in running style. Think back to last year when he put up 29 against Illinois, that majority of his points are when we played up and down and got out on the break. He is a mismatch when he has a head of steam, and the kid has a knack for finishing at the rim. If he develops a pull up jumper or a floater he will be nasty on the break after the first outlet pass. I fully expect the first thing Richard to do would be to to teach Joe on how to NOT bring the ball up on the break on the wing. Pass it up and fill the middle brother!
 

BigGopherFan said:
Don't take this personally, but how in the world is a 2 star recruit a "solid" get?
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Yeah, there is a bit of a leap of faith with Daquien McNeil.

It sort of reminds me of some of the moves by Jerry Kill in recruiting football. He has offered and signed guys early in the process that were kind of head scratchers (not very well recruited kids from other parts of the country), who developed nicely and have become good football players. It was obvious with those kids that Kill saw something he liked a lot (because he offered early with little competition) and their "ranking" didn't matter. Because of this, I'm at a point with Kill where when he offers a kid right after camp, I trust his judgment in evaluating talent.

Now with Daquien McNeil, Pitino obviously thought he was a fit in his sytem, but it's telling to me that one of the first things he did as a head coach is reach out to McNeil and offer him a scholarship here. Pitino has been around enough big time basketball (L'Ville and Florida) to know what kinds of players can succeed at what levels, and he obviously thinks McNeil can play this level of basketball.

So for me, I'm encouraged with McNeil because Pitino seems pretty certain about him. But you're right, it's a leap of faith a bit.
 

Winasota Gopher said:
Those that think Joe Colemen isn't starting are off their rockers. He is a Pitino style player. Kid EXCELS in running style. Think back to last year when he put up 29 against Illinois, that majority of his points are when we played up and down and got out on the break. He is a mismatch when he has a head of steam, and the kid has a knack for finishing at the rim. If he develops a pull up jumper or a floater he will be nasty on the break after the first outlet pass. I fully expect the first thing Richard to do would be to to teach Joe on how to NOT bring the ball up on the break on the wing. Pass it up and fill the middle brother!
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Joe is a great fit, but then who do you bring off the bench? Andre or Austin?
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Yeah, there is a bit of a leap of faith with Daquien McNeil.

It sort of reminds me of some of the moves by Jerry Kill in recruiting football. He has offered and signed guys early in the process that were kind of head scratchers (not very well recruited kids from other parts of the country), who developed nicely and have become good football players. It was obvious with those kids that Kill saw something he liked a lot (because he offered early with little competition) and their "ranking" didn't matter. Because of this, I'm at a point with Kill where when he offers a kid right after camp, I trust his judgment in evaluating talent.

Now with Daquien McNeil, Pitino obviously thought he was a fit in his sytem, but it's telling to me that one of the first things he did as a head coach is reach out to McNeil and offer him a scholarship here. Pitino has been around enough big time basketball (L'Ville and Florida) to know what kinds of players can succeed at what levels, and he obviously thinks McNeil can play this level of basketball.

So for me, I'm encouraged with McNeil because Pitino seems pretty certain about him. But you're right, it's a leap of faith a bit.
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McNeil is the smaller shifty PG that is a freshman correct? He had high level attractants earlier in his recruiting?

My hope for that guy is he develops. I don't expect him to play in this possibly log jammed back court (If we get Freeman)

Will be nice to have an actual PG who was a fall recruit (spring for us, but he committed to Pitino in the early signing process) backing up and potentially being a solid upper classmen.
 





Winasota Gopher said:
McNeil is the smaller shifty PG that is a freshman correct? He had high level attractants earlier in his recruiting?

My hope for that guy is he develops. I don't expect him to play in this possibly log jammed back court (If we get Freeman)

Will be nice to have an actual PG who was a fall recruit (spring for us, but he committed to Pitino in the early signing process) backing up and potentially being a solid upper classmen.
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You're completely mixed up. McNeil is the larger Freshman SG that some think can play a little PG. Mathieu is the small Juco PG we signed today.
 

Winasota Gopher said:
Those that think Joe Colemen isn't starting are off their rockers. He is a Pitino style player. Kid EXCELS in running style. Think back to last year when he put up 29 against Illinois, that majority of his points are when we played up and down and got out on the break. He is a mismatch when he has a head of steam, and the kid has a knack for finishing at the rim. If he develops a pull up jumper or a floater he will be nasty on the break after the first outlet pass. I fully expect the first thing Richard to do would be to to teach Joe on how to NOT bring the ball up on the break on the wing. Pass it up and fill the middle brother!
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I definitely wouldn't be surprised to see him start, but we have quite a few options that will fit Pitino's system well. Pitino has basically insinuated Andre and Austin are going to be our two best players and fit the system perfectly. I also think Pitino would like Dre Hollins to play more SG, which is why he has gone after a combo guard and a true PG for his 2013 recruiting. That does make it seem like it is possible we could see a Dre, Dre, and Austin starting 1-3, especially since our NEW Dre is also a Junior. Coleman could be a perfect spark plug off the bench. But like I said to open this post, I would not be surprised to see Coleman in the starting lineup, it's just that Pitino has a lot of options for guard/wing lineups now.
 

Winasota Gopher said:
McNeil is the smaller shifty PG that is a freshman correct? He had high level attractants earlier in his recruiting?

My hope for that guy is he develops. I don't expect him to play in this possibly log jammed back court (If we get Freeman)

Will be nice to have an actual PG who was a fall recruit (spring for us, but he committed to Pitino in the early signing process) backing up and potentially being a solid upper classmen.
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Gold Vision said:
You're completely mixed up. McNeil is the larger Freshman SG that some think can play a little PG. Mathieu is the small Juco PG we signed today.
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I wouldn't say all mixed up. McNeil is larger and more of a SG and Mathieu is the small shifty PG but he was correct about McNeil's reportedly impressive early offers.
 

Winasota Gopher said:
All three started last year?
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I suppose, but it seems pretty obvious to me that Pitino doesn't think much of not playing a PG and continuing to turn the ball over more than anyone in the Big 10.

I could be wrong, I might be jumping to a conclusion and Dre is a viable candidate to be our starting PG. I just would think that any new coach would look at how we turned the ball over last year and think that fixing that is priority #1.
 

Don't think he'll play much this year we will see though.
 


joshvanklomp said:
I think Joe and Austin will be primarily at SF. I'd say the depth looks more like

McNeil / Mathieu
Andre / Ahanmisi
Austin / Coleman / Ellenson
Oseniks / Buggs
Eliason / Walker
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There is just about zero chance that Oto starts, let alone plays any relevant minutes. He is just too slow for Pitino's system..check that, he was too slow for Tubby's system, which is saying something. He is scared to death to miss every shot he takes, and his release is unbelievably slow. When it comes down to it, he isn't a Big Ten caliber player. I think Buggs is likely our starting PF next year in the circumstance Pitino doesn't bring anyone else in.
 

MadtownGopher said:
So we'll have 6 juniors next year. Dre, Dre, Coleman, Oto, Mo, and EE. Seems like Pitino will probably have to do something to break up that class when ti comes time to recruit their replacements. Maybe a Juco or 2, or a redshirt.

Edit: This is assuming everyone stays for the entirety of their eligibility, obviously.
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I'm guessing Mo and Oto will get their degrees since they are RS Juniors. Mo will be gone he just isn't going to be a fit, Oto will be pushed out unless he finds that shooting stroke he allegedly has, plus with their degrees they will be eligible to play right away
 

Personally, I'd prefer to have Joe coming off of the bench, even if he's one of the top 5 players on the team. He's been well scouted in the Big 10 and most teams have done a good job of taking away his strengths. Coming off of the bench in an uptempo style, he may get lost in shuffle and get some better looks in the paint.
 


BigGopherFan said:
Don't take this personally, but how in the world is a 2 star recruit a "solid" get?
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Ya I realized how dumb that sounded when i typed it, but he had some decent teams offer him I'm not sure how seriously Louisville ever recruited him, but McNeil's a 3 star on rivals, certainly a better pick up than Mav was at the time.
 

I am a little baffled that we could possibly be taking in 3 guards under 6'4" after losing Mbakwe, Williams, and Ingram. It seems like we have an abundance of 2/3's.

We'd have 8 guys under 6'4".

Austin 6'4"
Joe 6'4"
Wally 6'4"
Allerik?? 6'4"
Daquein 6'3"
Maverick 6'2"
Dre H. 6'1"
Dre M. 5'9"
 

Winasota Gopher said:
Those that think Joe Colemen isn't starting are off their rockers. He is a Pitino style player. Kid EXCELS in running style. Think back to last year when he put up 29 against Illinois, that majority of his points are when we played up and down and got out on the break. He is a mismatch when he has a head of steam, and the kid has a knack for finishing at the rim. If he develops a pull up jumper or a floater he will be nasty on the break after the first outlet pass. I fully expect the first thing Richard to do would be to to teach Joe on how to NOT bring the ball up on the break on the wing. Pass it up and fill the middle brother!
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I don't think Joe will be starting next year. I know for a fact he won't be getting 26 mpg. Defense is our offense. Finding players to fill the lanes is rarely a problem with any team, and hardly means one excels in the running game. He'll get lost when forced to play off ball defense. Hope he embraces the 6th man role.
 

BigGopherFan said:
Don't take this personally, but how in the world is a 2 star recruit a "solid" get?
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Don't take this personally, but how in the world do you call him a "2 star recruit" when he's a 3-star recruit at every site but one? Doesn't fit the ol' agenda?
 

Gold Vision said:
I am a little baffled that we could possibly be taking in 3 guards under 6'4" after losing Mbakwe, Williams, and Ingram. It seems like we have an abundance of 2/3's.

We'd have 8 guys under 6'4".

Austin 6'4"
Joe 6'4"
Wally 6'4"
Allerik?? 6'4"
Daquein 6'3"
Maverick 6'2"
Dre H. 6'1"
Dre M. 5'9"
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This is the scariest part for big 10 play next year....
 

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