Drake Lindsey WILL BE BACK with the Gophers!!!!!!!

[Ski-U-Ham]

Good news for us, huh? He is the best QB since at least AAK and probably the best QB since Sandy Stephens or maybe George Franck or pehaps even Pudge Heffelfinger.

I hope someday people think the names in today's generation are as cool as I think the name Pudge Heffelfinger is

 

[USAF]

I hope someday people think the names in today's generation are as cool as I think the name Pudge Heffelfinger is

Heffelfinger? I hardly knew 'er!

 

[DarthGopher]

We're going into year three of this experiment, which I learned about for the first time when PJ was brought up during the Vikings game in Seattle. It helps explain some of what we've seen in the past two years. I'm curious if it doesn't change if we see similar results in year 3?

Was this change common knowledge? I tend not to listen to Fleck's press conferences, and don't recall seeing it on this board. Is this new news?

I was not aware, either. But it is does explain some of the clunkiness we've seen.

 

[TXGopher09]

Hey, Tony Dungy? Adam Webber? Ricky Foggy?

 

[Gopher Ally]

Disagree strongly. He had a very good year for a freshman (redshirt). Plenty of schools would like to have him knowing he's got 2 or 3 years left. One of them to our immediate East.

Maybe Wisconsin will end up with the 3rd highest QB recruit we’ve ever had in Jackson Kollock 4 star, who hit the portal

 

[FinnGopher]

Roman Voss is coming next year and is projected to be a tight end. I know he's a freshman and that's hard, but if he's like Koi Perich we might have something there for Drake.

 

[gopherbadgerman]

Roman Voss is coming next year and is projected to be a tight end. I know he's a freshman and that's hard, but if he's like Koi Perich we might have something there for Drake.

Maybe he could join the basketball team?

 

[The Deliberate Stranger]

Good news for us, huh? He is the best QB since at least AAK and probably the best QB since Sandy Stephens or maybe George Franck or pehaps even Pudge Heffelfinger.

Cupito was better than AAK

 

[Harrymannback77]

I wonder if those kid's NIL ever get's adjusted ....

Raiola got big money, roughly around Drake's level this year and he hit the portal, I assume got "fired".

I'd fire an idiot who lives his life mimicking another player also. That Raiola kid is a clown. Kind of like that stupid alter ego JJ McCarthy had that KOC told him to ditch. Be yourself and just play. It's a game at the end of the day.

 

[Word]

Cupito was better than AAK

Here's the data...I sorted by NCAA passer rating. If you sort by completion % it goes Brosmer, Lindsey, Morgan.

	ATT	COMP	COMP-%	INT	TD	YDS	YDS/ATT	TD/ 100 ATT	INT/100 ATT	TD RUSH	NCAA Pass Rtng	Last year played
MORGAN	1063	661	62.18%	32	65	9,469	8.9	6.1	3.0	8	151.2	2022
CUPITO	918	513	55.88%	25	55	7,446	8.1	6.0	2.7	0	138.3	2006
ABDUL-KHALIQ	847	481	56.79%	26	55	6,660	7.9	6.5	3.1	16	138.1	2003
BROSMER	403	268	66.50%	6	18	2,828	7.0	4.5	1.5	5	137.2	2024
LINDSEY	366	232	63.39%	6	17	2,285	6.2	4.6	1.6	4	127.9	2025
FOGGIE	628	311	49.52%	32	34	5,162	8.2	5.4	5.1	24	126.2	1987
SAUTER	945	539	57.04%	33	40	6,834	7.2	4.2	3.5	8	124.8	1997
WEBER	1,594	909	57.03%	51	72	10,917	6.8	4.5	3.2	10	123.1	2010
ECKERS	262	147	56.11%	17	15	1884	7.2	5.7	6.5	1	122.4	1994
COCKERHAM	485	252	51.96%	24	29	3,483	7.2	6.0	4.9	12	122.1	1999
LEIDNER	1029	580	56.37%	32	36	7,287	7.1	3.5	3.1	33	121.2	2016
GRAY	295	150	50.85%	11	14	2,053	7.0	4.7	3.7	12	117.5	2012
HOHENSEE	722	392	54.29%	31	33	4,792	6.6	4.6	4.3	5	116.5	1982
SCHAFFNER	515	278	53.98%	22	21	3,472	6.7	4.1	4.3	6	115.5	1991
SCHADE	627	322	51.36%	23	22	3,986	6.4	3.5	3.7	2	109.0	1994
KALIAKMANIS	405	216	53.33%	13	17	2,236	5.5	4.2	3.2	3	107.1	2023
FLEETWOOD	876	465	53.08%	44	18	5,279	6.0	2.1	5.0	15	100.4	1992
DUNGY	586	274	46.76%	35	22	3,515	6.0	3.8	6.0	16	97.6	1976
CURRY	505	226	44.75%	24	16	3,060	6.1	3.2	4.8	14	96.6	1971
STEPHENS	297	100	33.67%	27	13	1,571	5.3	4.4	9.1	17	74.4	1961
COX	106	37	34.91%	12	7	508	4.8	6.6	11.3	NA	74.3	1957

 

[GopherTheJugular]

Where are you seeing he entered the portal, or stated intentions of entering?

It was big news like a month ago or so. He got injured, the new guy played well, etc. I'm sure you can use the internet to search.

 

[gopherbadgerman]

Cupito was better than AAK

Personally I thought AAK was better, but they were pretty close. Cupito might have been a better passer but AAK was way more mobile. I'd take Weber over any of them.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

Personally I thought AAK was better, but they were pretty close. Cupito might have been a better passer but AAK was way more mobile. I'd take Weber over any of them.

I'm always a little triggered by "well he's mobile" when it comes to QBs. Ultra mobile QBs are only great because ... they somehow didn't do their primary job good enough. That first part always seems to catch up to them.

 

[GopherTheJugular]

I'm always a little triggered by "well he's mobile" when it comes to QBs. Ultra mobile QBs are only great because ... they somehow didn't do their primary job good enough. That first part always seems to catch up to them.

I don't think it's that. The mobility aspect can allow a QB to escape a sack that a more "statue-esque" QB would probably just take. Or designed runs to keep the defense "honest".

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

I don't think it's that. The mobility aspect can allow a QB to escape a sack that a more "statue-esque" QB would probably just take. Or designed runs to keep the defense "honest".

AK rolling out ... only to miss a touch pass I think kinda makes my point

Ultimately it comes down to seeing the open guy and making the throw, and if you can do that well enough there's a good chance you weren't running in the first place, if you are running, good chance you're not great at seeing the play / hitting those throws.

I think running QBs maybe would be more valuable if they were involved in called runs more often but generally coaches don't want to do that, for good reason.

 

[mggoph]

AK rolling out ... only to miss a touch pass I think kinda makes my point

Ultimately it comes down to seeing the open guy and making the throw, and if you can do that well enough there's a good chance you weren't running in the first place, if you are running, good chance you're not great at seeing the play / hitting those throws.

I think running QBs maybe would be more valuable if they were involved in called runs more often but generally coaches don't want to do that, for good reason.

I think the argument was AAK, not AK.

 

[GopherTheJugular]

AK rolling out ... only to miss a touch pass I think kinda makes my point

In good natured debate (as opposed to typical Gopherhole arguing) I would counter that Athan would have missed that pass anyway, even from the pocket.

Ultimately it comes down to seeing the open guy and making the throw,

I get what you're saying, and we're probably just talking over each other lol, but the threat of designed runs (ala Lamar Jackson, or Johnny Football while in college) does lead to a receiver possibly being a little more open if the defense has to spy the QB.

and if you can do that well enough there's a good chance you weren't running in the first place, if you are running, good chance you're not great at seeing the play / hitting those throws.

I think running QBs maybe would be more valuable if they were involved in called runs more often but generally coaches don't want to do that, for good reason.

The Lamar Jackson NFL example was rare, but he had wheels in college too. Deshaun Watson, Johnny Football, Tua/Hurts/Kyler Murray, etc. Game planning for these guys over a typical pocket passer is tougher, I think.

 

[Pompous Elitist]

Here's the data...I sorted by NCAA passer rating. If you sort by completion % it goes Brosmer, Lindsey, Morgan.

	ATT	COMP	COMP-%	INT	TD	YDS	YDS/ATT	TD/ 100 ATT	INT/100 ATT	TD RUSH	NCAA Pass Rtng	Last year played
MORGAN	1063	661	62.18%	32	65	9,469	8.9	6.1	3.0	8	151.2	2022
CUPITO	918	513	55.88%	25	55	7,446	8.1	6.0	2.7	0	138.3	2006
ABDUL-KHALIQ	847	481	56.79%	26	55	6,660	7.9	6.5	3.1	16	138.1	2003
BROSMER	403	268	66.50%	6	18	2,828	7.0	4.5	1.5	5	137.2	2024
LINDSEY	366	232	63.39%	6	17	2,285	6.2	4.6	1.6	4	127.9	2025
FOGGIE	628	311	49.52%	32	34	5,162	8.2	5.4	5.1	24	126.2	1987
SAUTER	945	539	57.04%	33	40	6,834	7.2	4.2	3.5	8	124.8	1997
WEBER	1,594	909	57.03%	51	72	10,917	6.8	4.5	3.2	10	123.1	2010
ECKERS	262	147	56.11%	17	15	1884	7.2	5.7	6.5	1	122.4	1994
COCKERHAM	485	252	51.96%	24	29	3,483	7.2	6.0	4.9	12	122.1	1999
LEIDNER	1029	580	56.37%	32	36	7,287	7.1	3.5	3.1	33	121.2	2016
GRAY	295	150	50.85%	11	14	2,053	7.0	4.7	3.7	12	117.5	2012
HOHENSEE	722	392	54.29%	31	33	4,792	6.6	4.6	4.3	5	116.5	1982
SCHAFFNER	515	278	53.98%	22	21	3,472	6.7	4.1	4.3	6	115.5	1991
SCHADE	627	322	51.36%	23	22	3,986	6.4	3.5	3.7	2	109.0	1994
KALIAKMANIS	405	216	53.33%	13	17	2,236	5.5	4.2	3.2	3	107.1	2023
FLEETWOOD	876	465	53.08%	44	18	5,279	6.0	2.1	5.0	15	100.4	1992
DUNGY	586	274	46.76%	35	22	3,515	6.0	3.8	6.0	16	97.6	1976
CURRY	505	226	44.75%	24	16	3,060	6.1	3.2	4.8	14	96.6	1971
STEPHENS	297	100	33.67%	27	13	1,571	5.3	4.4	9.1	17	74.4	1961
COX	106	37	34.91%	12	7	508	4.8	6.6	11.3	NA	74.3	1957

Looking over this among other things it caught my eye that AK was statistically good in 2025 (out in Piscataway) compared to his subpar performance here. Surrounding cast, coordinator, or development.

Lindsey is starting from a higher base with better intangibles and (I believe) will be a top tier QB by the time he’s done. We’ll see.

 

[Panthadad2]

Here's the data...I sorted by NCAA passer rating. If you sort by completion % it goes Brosmer, Lindsey, Morgan.

	ATT	COMP	COMP-%	INT	TD	YDS	YDS/ATT	TD/ 100 ATT	INT/100 ATT	TD RUSH	NCAA Pass Rtng	Last year played
MORGAN	1063	661	62.18%	32	65	9,469	8.9	6.1	3.0	8	151.2	2022
CUPITO	918	513	55.88%	25	55	7,446	8.1	6.0	2.7	0	138.3	2006
ABDUL-KHALIQ	847	481	56.79%	26	55	6,660	7.9	6.5	3.1	16	138.1	2003
BROSMER	403	268	66.50%	6	18	2,828	7.0	4.5	1.5	5	137.2	2024
LINDSEY	366	232	63.39%	6	17	2,285	6.2	4.6	1.6	4	127.9	2025
FOGGIE	628	311	49.52%	32	34	5,162	8.2	5.4	5.1	24	126.2	1987
SAUTER	945	539	57.04%	33	40	6,834	7.2	4.2	3.5	8	124.8	1997
WEBER	1,594	909	57.03%	51	72	10,917	6.8	4.5	3.2	10	123.1	2010
ECKERS	262	147	56.11%	17	15	1884	7.2	5.7	6.5	1	122.4	1994
COCKERHAM	485	252	51.96%	24	29	3,483	7.2	6.0	4.9	12	122.1	1999
LEIDNER	1029	580	56.37%	32	36	7,287	7.1	3.5	3.1	33	121.2	2016
GRAY	295	150	50.85%	11	14	2,053	7.0	4.7	3.7	12	117.5	2012
HOHENSEE	722	392	54.29%	31	33	4,792	6.6	4.6	4.3	5	116.5	1982
SCHAFFNER	515	278	53.98%	22	21	3,472	6.7	4.1	4.3	6	115.5	1991
SCHADE	627	322	51.36%	23	22	3,986	6.4	3.5	3.7	2	109.0	1994
KALIAKMANIS	405	216	53.33%	13	17	2,236	5.5	4.2	3.2	3	107.1	2023
FLEETWOOD	876	465	53.08%	44	18	5,279	6.0	2.1	5.0	15	100.4	1992
DUNGY	586	274	46.76%	35	22	3,515	6.0	3.8	6.0	16	97.6	1976
CURRY	505	226	44.75%	24	16	3,060	6.1	3.2	4.8	14	96.6	1971
STEPHENS	297	100	33.67%	27	13	1,571	5.3	4.4	9.1	17	74.4	1961
COX	106	37	34.91%	12	7	508	4.8	6.6	11.3	NA	74.3	1957

Thanks for the data. Not bad for a first year RS Freshman starter (Lindsey). I'm a bit surprised seeing Cupito and Abdul Khaliq so high on the list probably because those offenses had the reputation of being run oriented. Kudos to them. Morgan's career rating numbers will be hard for any QB to match.

 

[gopherbadgerman]

Thanks for the data. Not bad for a first year RS Freshman starter (Lindsey). I'm a bit surprised seeing Cupito and Abdul Khaliq so high on the list probably because those offenses had the reputation of being run oriented. Kudos to them. Morgan's career rating numbers will be hard for any QB to match.

Yes Morgans 2019 season puts him at the top, and it was the best single season in Gopher history for a QB by far. The rest of his career was very pedestrian in my opinion.

Cupito and AAK we very close, but I think AAK's running set him apart. Cupito overall played on better teams I think.

 

[Word]

Thanks for the data. Not bad for a first year RS Freshman starter (Lindsey). I'm a bit surprised seeing Cupito and Abdul Khaliq so high on the list probably because those offenses had the reputation of being run oriented. Kudos to them. Morgan's career rating numbers will be hard for any QB to match.

Their great run game probably made passing easier.

 

[Word]

Yes Morgans 2019 season puts him at the top, and it was the best single season in Gopher history for a QB by far. The rest of his career was very pedestrian in my opinion.

Cupito and AAK we very close, but I think AAK's running set him apart. Cupito overall played on better teams I think.

Morgans "bad" years are still statistically better than Weber's. Weber just threw a ton and racked up yards.

 

[Gopherchase]

AK rolling out ... only to miss a touch pass I think kinda makes my point

Ultimately it comes down to seeing the open guy and making the throw, and if you can do that well enough there's a good chance you weren't running in the first place, if you are running, good chance you're not great at seeing the play / hitting those throws.

I think running QBs maybe would be more valuable if they were involved in called runs more often but generally coaches don't want to do that, for good reason.

If you were talking about the NFL, I think you would have some valid points but for the college game your takes here might be the worst I’ve ever seen QB related. A running threat in the college game has always been extremely valuable and continues to be today. Personally, I thought Cupito threw the best ball of any QB we have had, Weber was a heck of a competitor and thank god for Brosmer last year but if it came down to one game and I can pick any one Gopher quarterback to take the reins and win, it would be AAK. Since PJ doesn’t let his QBs run Lindsey is totally fine and I like the kid a lot. Hope he continues to progress and has a great four years here.

 

[50PoundHead]

Agree. We had pretty good receivers, but we didnt have the type of receivers that could get a ton of separation or just go and out-athlete a defender. I think we'll have that next year if Coleman can make the jump. I believe he was a top 100 player coming out of HS.

+1. Little separation from the receivers. Is that the quality of the talent or the sets they are employing? It will take a lot to duplicate Johnson and Bateman as a tandem (add in Autman-Bell to make it a trio), but those guys seemed to get more open, especially on slants, than the groups of the past couple of years. Given the size and speed of the guys on the roster, I have to believe how they are lining up makes a difference. Of course, with Lindsey having the defense all over him due to underperformance of parts of the O-line a lot of the passing game boiled down to survival.

 

[restovich]

Interesting thread. I started following the Gophers in 1969. My admittedly imperfect memory remembered Tony Dungy being better than these stats show he was. He also had to play in a very run-oriented offense......

 

[GopherTheJugular]

Ultimately it comes down to seeing the open guy and making the throw, and if you can do that well enough there's a good chance you weren't running in the first place, if you are running, good chance you're not great at seeing the play / hitting those throws.

I hate to reply to the same post twice lol, but there is something you are missing here.

When the play breaks down, the only thing the "pocket passer" can do is throw it out of bounds. Having a running QB lets you pick up a few yards.

 

[GophersInIowa]

Interesting thread. I started following the Gophers in 1969. My admittedly imperfect memory remembered Tony Dungy being better than these stats show he was. He also had to play in a very run-oriented offense......

In 1975 Dungy led the Big Ten in passing with just 1515 yards. Times have changed.

 

[GopherTheJugular]

A running threat in the college game has always been extremely valuable and continues to be today.

Tim Tebow is probably the best example. Dude had bad mechanics/long wind up before the throw, but that sophomore season with 55 TDs was amazing.

Totally different experience for Florida from '06 to '09 if you don't let him run haha.

 

[btowngopher]

People act like being mobile is the solution to everything. It’s only valuable if the qb can also pass and most of all can make the correct decisions.

 

[gopherbadgerman]

Morgans "bad" years are still statistically better than Weber's. Weber just threw a ton and backed up yards.

Morgan is better stat wise. Morgan was on better teams though and yes Weber threw a lot more.

I would still take Weber over Morgan

AK's stats are better than Drakes and I would take Drake every time.