Also, Mason's 'good' teams largely won on the strength of their offensive scheme. Though you could argue Brew has botched it with his offensive/coordinator changes, you can't fault him for trying to implement a new offense that can better utilize the higher level of talent he was planning on bringing in.
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Also, Mason's 'good' teams largely won on the strength of their offensive scheme. Though you could argue Brew has botched it with his offensive/coordinator changes, you can't fault him for trying to implement a new offense that can better utilize the higher level of talent he was planning on bringing in.
You can if he abandons it after two years.
2007: 48th in total offense (407.5)
2008: 91st in total offense (322.9)
2009: 114th in total offense (295.8)
A new offense? You mean pound the rock? Like Glen Mason did. Seems to me that Brewster is trying to copy Mason's offense now. And can't do it.
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Doogie,
Why didn't you mention the disappointing season with the coach you were dreaming about earlier this year.....Dantonio? You were a genius with that call. Gophers finished where most "experts" picked them in the BT. (actually many picked them 8-10th) Michigan State was supposed to be a darkhouse to maybe challenge for a BT title this year, and yet finished 6-6 with a loss to the lowly Gophers.
Did you not understand that this is exactly what I said in the part of the sentence you decided not to quote, or did you just ignore it so you could have another chance to complain?
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And we both know Brewster is full of crap for that copout.......
Who had MSU has a darkhorse? Most had them 3rd, 4th, or 5th, but no one said they would/could win the Big Ten ... They lost a very good QB and a top-flight RB ... they underachieved by a win or 2 ... last year they beat Wis. & Iowa ... he is their best coach since Saban.
He became the first head coach in 23 years to lead the school to a winning season in his first season at Cincinnati ... His 1st year at MSU was their best since '03, going to a bowl for the 1st time in 4-years ... almost split Big Ten title last year ... went to the Capital One Bowl ... he is not Urban, Saban, or Mack Brown, but he can clearly coach.
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Amazing the ability to make excuses for a coach you like. Only underachieved by a win or 2. Unlike these undisciplined underachieving gophers. Who said they were a darkhorse to win it? Maybe the prognosticators that had them picked 3rd?
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A classy, no b$ guy.
And after the MSU game in his presser, he flat-out stated that he was outcoached by Brew & Co.
Most HCs don't go there...it's an ego thing.
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What are the indicators that you are looking at Doogie?
In your blog, you pointed out a few reasons why it makes sense to give a coach four years (Barnett, Alvarez, and Ferentz). In the next sentence you said that you didn't want to hear about any of it?
When asked why not, you said there were indicators that those guys would succeed. You then called a poster out for not responding to your indicators line. He did some research, posted it, and dais he doesn't see what indicators you are referring.
I had the same initial reaction to your blog that EG9 had, so I'll go ahead and ask the same question: what indicators are you referring to?
Another example of a guy who looked like he wasn't going to get it done but now seems to be doing well is Dave Wandtstache at Pitt. Sure there are plenty of others.
In your blog, you pointed out a few reasons why it makes sense to give a coach four years (Barnett, Alvarez, and Ferentz). In the next sentence you said that you didn't want to hear about any of it?
When asked why not, you said there were indicators that those guys would succeed. You then called a poster out for not responding to your indicators line. He did some research, posted it, and dais he doesn't see what indicators you are referring.
I had the same initial reaction to your blog that EG9 had, so I'll go ahead and ask the same question: what indicators are you referring to?
Another example of a guy who looked like he wasn't going to get it done but now seems to be doing well is Dave Wandtstache at Pitt. Sure there are plenty of others.
And plenty of others on the flip-side ... it might be better to track down a Wis. or Iowa football historian, and present the question: Were there signs that Alvarez or Ferentz would be home run hires after three years? They, I bet, would say YES ... as we've stated numerous times, it's more than wins and losses ... 6-6 is not a bad thing, but it's how they played that is the issue ... are you sure that they will be better next year or even the same? I can only imagine some of the vitriol on here come this time next year when they are 5-7, 2-6 in the Big Ten.
I get what you're saying, and it may sound absurd on first blush, but there are also signs that Brewster is a home run. They just happen to be off-the-field indications, like the level of talent (which I as a 30-year old Gopher fan have never seen the likes of) and the selling of the program to fans, HS coaches, etc throughout the state and the level of competition and national profile games he has pushed for.
This definitely looks like a poorly coached team, but that doesn't mean there aren't good signs in the program for the future if Brewster can work on his (obvious) weaknesses.
I think it is fair to say however that the love fest with many of the fans (not all) is over and the poor product on the field is beginning to hurt his selling of the program, as referenced by the declining attendance as the season progressed. Being a program without tons of diehard fans waiting in the wings to jump on the bandwagon as others jump off is alarming and something that I am sure Maturi is monitoring closely. The odds are that there are atleast a few big money donors who are telling Maturi of their displeasure.
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wrong. I am not making excuses for Brewster. I agree that they have underperformed my expectations. BUT, I am not so 100% confident as the rest of you are that he WON'T: learn from his mistakes, get over the growing pains, get some great players here, and succeed. AND, I want to be sure that he's not the guy BEFORE we go in another direction, not when we think he probably won't. Anyone who says they are sure he isn't the guy is letting their emotions get in the way, period.
Fair enough that this is your opinion. I am just a big believer in actions speak louder than words and have seen little action to back up his talking. I also trust Mack Brown who was with Brewster for over 10 years and deemed that he was not capable of being more than a recruiter and position coach.
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would you trust mack brown if he said he thinks brewster will be a successful d1 coach? because he's also said that.
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On that note, I wonder if Brown, knowing Brew personally very well, would bring the Longhorns up to TCF Bank if he didn't respect TB as a dedicated and professional D1 HC.
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Doogie - your approach is not novel, and could set the program up for even bigger disaster. Driving a dump truck of money up to a new head coach's front doorstep might land one of these hot, flavor of the month guys, but there is no guarantee any of them will work out, and if we have to buy out one at that cost, then we'll be hard pressed to afford anyone worthwhile for years to come. Think Colorado is real pleased about hiring away Dan Hawkins from BSU right now? Paying a ton of money to a hot non-BCS conference coach is a real gamble in my opinion, and not one I want to take right now. Didn't we learn anything from hiring Monson?
By all accounts, Brewsters 3rd recruiting class should be solid once again, he needs some time to turn these players out on the field. We've got some studs in the making out there already (Gray, Cooper, Tinsley, Wilhite, Kirksey, Carter, etc.). We all knew when he was hired he had no head coaching or even coordinator experience. This explains his problems with hiring effective coordinators. Because of this he needs a bit more time than the average . The recruiting is there. Year 4 will be very telling, as his recruits will start to play a bigger role. There is talent on those sidelines - I am sure of it. We just haven't seen it much yet, but there have been flashes. I realize you're not calling for Brew's head just yet, but some are. I believe this thinking is flawed.
By all accounts, Brewsters 3rd recruiting class should be solid once again, he needs some time to turn these players out on the field. We've got some studs in the making out there already (Gray, Cooper, Tinsley, Wilhite, Kirksey, Carter, etc.). We all knew when he was hired he had no head coaching or even coordinator experience. This explains his problems with hiring effective coordinators. Because of this he needs a bit more time than the average . The recruiting is there. Year 4 will be very telling, as his recruits will start to play a bigger role. There is talent on those sidelines - I am sure of it. We just haven't seen it much yet, but there have been flashes. I realize you're not calling for Brew's head just yet, but some are. I believe this thinking is flawed.
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Right, doogie is sure that Brewster is a lousy coach and will fail, but doogie will not stick his neck out and call for his firing as Souhan at least had the guts to do, even if I and others disagree. this is why I call doogie dishonest and a coward. he's taking the easiest path and is not being truthful about his judgement. He's hedging his bets. If Brew survives, he can say that he was in favor of giving him more time, and he'll be right. And if Brew fails, he can say, well we gave him a shot, but as I told you, he's just not a D1 coach. I wish Doogie would use his pulpit to have a little courage and stick his neck out a little (hopefully in support), but sadly, no.
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Agreed.
If pressed, Doogie would probably admit that he has been fence sitting on the Brew HCing issue in order to be able to tell us "I told you so, but you wouldn't listen..." no matter what the final outcome.
Not surprising, given his ties to this board and his buddies Reusse/Souhan at the Strib, that's OK in my view because it's all disclosed and we understand his two-sided game.
Given the pro/anti Brew split on this board, Doogie seems to like playing both sides of street because that gives his opinions the maximum attention and exposure. That's OK in my view as well since his opinions and speculative ruminations don't really carry any more weight than any other intelligent Holer.
Also, I like his writing ability and interest in stimuating mostly sensible discussion.
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I do appreciate that he doesn't shy away from criticism. Now if he'd just do as I say.
I will admit this: I am playing it both ways some ... suggesting that I see no evidence that it'll get better, but that it's rare for a major school to let go of a coach after 3 years (Oregeron was the only one of recent time I could think of ... and maybe the Louisville guy) ... I am just very curious to see how he does when all 22 starters (feel that Weber won't be the QB next year) are his guys (Collado a Mason recruit, so maybe 21 of 22).
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Sounds like Maturi is doing the same thing.
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Doogie
Doogie...this is a big step forward toward regaining some of the respect some of us believe you deserve on this board.
If you maintain a more balance view of what's going on in the program, you will probably find a more respectful response to your posts.
Doogie...this is a big step forward toward regaining some of the respect some of us believe you deserve on this board.
If you maintain a more balance view of what's going on in the program, you will probably find a more respectful response to your posts.
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It's kind of hard not to have some doubt about Brew after the last few weeks. I've been a big Brew supporter but I'm not blind. The offense did not improve at all from last year or from game #1 to game #12. Yes, I know our best player was injured and our QB did not play well but that does not excuse the pathetic running game and o-line play. Is he going to fire two more coaches after the season? I hope Brew can turn this thing around but right now it's not looking too good. Besides recruiting what makes people believe things are going to improve? I'm look for some real answers to this question.
Doogie, do me one favor.
Look at the senior class next year. The 2010 class Mason left behind.
Alford
Andy Brinkhaus
RJ Buckner
Burris
Collado
Ellestad
Hoese (walk on earned tender)
Hughes (walk on assume he earned a tender)
McGarry
Weber
Some great kids, hard workers and some starters, etc but not exactly the who's who on draft day. This is one big reason many starters will be Brew's guys...we hardly have a senior class left behind by Mase.
We have a couple of transfers and juco transfers that will fill out the senior class but Mase didn't leave behind Spaeth, Setterstrom, Eslinger, Barber Maroney, Russell, etc, etc
Thanks
That's not fair considering he was fired on Christmas. Someone could unfairly pin the failures of that class on Brewster. Those players stayed after he was canned. Also, the turnover of Mason players who left when Brewster came was pretty significant. Next year's senior class is neither Mason or Brewster's fault.