Doogie says Brewster a no-brainer for Turkey of Year,

turkey of the year will be someone in the timberwolves organization. They have been rebuilding since 2005, pathetic!!
 


Brewster should really be judged on 2011 and not 2010 because that's when he'll have a significant amount of seniors for the first time. And one of our greatest weaknesses, the offensive line, really won't be good until 2012 or 2013 with all of the incoming good recruits.

I can't believe how many long-time gopher fans (younger then 60) have developed such a large case of impatience in a couple of years.

brewster brought fresh air to a program greatly in need of oxygen. brewster's fresh air renewed hope. with hope came impatience. with impatience comes entitlement. with entitlement comes "instant gratification."

in today's "what have you done for me lately" society, an established coach can be completely discarded within two years of reaching some level recognized success, fans and media screaming for his blood. as such, in today's instant gratification society, it sadly does not come as a surprise that fans can ignore decades of the program's malice and expect it to be "fixed."

having posted that, there admittedly has to be improvement. brewster's team just cant seem to put together a complete effort. one aspect or another has almost always struggled. overcoming, or failing to overcome this inconsistency is what will ultimately make or break brewster at MN.
 

Robinson was nice vs. OSU ... but he got hurt yest. ... his backup came in, the same backup who didn't get a carry vs. OSU ... and the QB showed good arm strength in the OSU game, and proved that his mom looks like his sister thanks to the ABC cameras, but he also threw 3 picks.

season stats
Adam Robinson 167 775 4.6 5
Brandon Wegher 146 528 3.6 7

Doesn't appear to me that they like one that much more than the other. Robinson had 12 carries also, not like he didn't get to play.
If you watched the OSU game, you'd know 1 of those picks was on 4th down in OT, and one was at the end of the half. You can see whatever it is you want to see Doogie.

Ok, that was really the last rip on doogie. Apologies to the old time GH'ers who are tired of my schtick.
 

EG -- I will grant you this: The zero points point is an easy line to deliver ... you are right, they could've kicked a FG ... more disappointed in the offense as a whole ... "Pound the Rock" yet will finish last in the Big Ten in rushing and among the worst teams in the country ... they will finish dead last in the Big Ten in just about every offensive category ... college football is all about offense, offenses rock ... yet the Gophers' was horrible.

Why no response on the Alvarez, Ferentz, Barnett indicator take?

Brewster has said multiple times that "pound the rock" does not just mean run the football. It is a metaphor for the type of hard nosed football he wants to play. You have really keyed in on that phrase and take it completely out of context.
 


Robinson is the guy the coaches favor ... hasn't been 100% healthy all year, if I'm not mistaken.
 

Brewster has said multiple times that "pound the rock" does not just mean run the football. It is a metaphor for the type of hard nosed football he wants to play. You have really keyed in on that phrase and take it completely out of context.

Wrong ... he says that publicly to cover himself ... the overriding point of it was meant to kick ass running the ball, something they couldn't do ... he stated that his goal was to run for at least 150 yards per game ... they were 2-for-12.
 

Robinson is the guy the coaches favor ... hasn't been 100% healthy all year, if I'm not mistaken.

I only watched the PSU Iowa game and those two split carries. Point remains, your attempt at saying the backups played is lame, since that same backup QB lit up OSU on the road. And there is not a huge difference in season stats for the two backup rbs ( they both are, hampton was the starter)
You are just a very dishonest person doogie, but I'm over it now. You should feel great, 80% of gopher fans have the same attitude you do toward the program now. You've won and I've lost. I hope you're happy.
 

Why couldn't they kick ass running the ball this year? Was it because they didn't dedicate enough practice to it? Could it be the same reason they were last in sacks allowed? Google "brewster pound the rock", the first five items are you referencing that quote out of context. You're covering your ass on misusing the quote.
 




Section2 -- How am I dishonest? What does that have to do with making a point about not scoring in back-to-back years vs. Iowa? And where is the 80%? I think many want Brewster back, heck so do I .. for the millionth time, he should get a 4th year.
 

Why couldn't they kick ass running the ball this year? Was it because they didn't dedicate enough practice to it? Could it be the same reason they were last in sacks allowed? Google "brewster pound the rock", the first five items are you referencing that quote out of context. You're covering your ass on misusing the quote.

Again, on-the-record, he may have said 1 thing, in the football complex the overriding mentality from day No. 1 of spring practice was to able to run the ball ... and again, he had a stated goal of wanting to run for 150-yards or more per game ... they didn't do that in 10-games.
 

There's a lot of coaches, rookie ones at that, whose "learning curves" have been far less steep than Brewster's has been.

I agree with you and others that Brewster is too easy a target for Pat. But I'll bet you your favorite beverage against mine that he'll have at least one backhanded reference to TB in his article. Was it last year that for the first half of the article you thought it was going to Brewster, and he pulled a pumpfake at the end? I had to admit that was a good one.

I could see Reusse awarding it to Maturi. That way he's including Brewster, and also allows him to get some shots in against Lucia and even Tubby.
 



EG -- I will grant you this: The zero points point is an easy line to deliver ... you are right, they could've kicked a FG ... more disappointed in the offense as a whole ... "Pound the Rock" yet will finish last in the Big Ten in rushing and among the worst teams in the country ... they will finish dead last in the Big Ten in just about every offensive category ... college football is all about offense, offenses rock ... yet the Gophers' was horrible.

Why no response on the Alvarez, Ferentz, Barnett indicator take?

Was watching Sunday Night Football. Did some research and came up with the following on Ferentz and Alvarez. Ferentz was 4-19 combined in his first two years and followed that up by going 7-5 in year 3. Following that season, Iowa lost its leading passer (Kyle McCann) and its leading rusher (Ladell Betts). They wind up in the Orange Bowl in Ferentz's 4th year.

Alvarez went 1-10, 5-6, and 5-6 in years 1, 2, and 3. He suddenly goes 10-1-1 and in year 4. Wisconsin did return their QB as well as their top 2 rushers from the 92 team that went 5-6.

I really don't see the "indicators" with either school, and especially not with Iowa given they lost their QB and RB.
 

Was watching Sunday Night Football. Did some research and came up with the following on Ferentz and Alvarez. Ferentz was 4-19 combined in his first two years and followed that up by going 7-5 in year 3. Following that season, Iowa lost its leading passer (Kyle McCann) and its leading rusher (Ladell Betts). They wind up in the Orange Bowl in Ferentz's 4th year.

Alvarez went 1-10, 5-6, and 5-6 in years 1, 2, and 3. He suddenly goes 10-1-1 and in year 4. Wisconsin did return their QB as well as their top 2 rushers from the 92 team that went 5-6.

I really don't see the "indicators" with either school, and especially not with Iowa given they lost their QB and RB.

Alvarez didn't take over a Bowl Team.......
 

Alvarez didn't take over a Bowl Team.......


They were a bowl team in 2006. One that blocked a FG to beat NDSU 10-9.

Do you really think they were a bowl caliber team in 2007? Freshman QB, Pinnix hurt, starting secondary of Barber, Thomas, Collado and Jamal Harris? Decker, Kuznia, and Spry at WR. Howell returning kicks/punts. That team was so laden with talent that Brewster "needed" Theret, Thomas, Spry and Howell to fill the voids in the starting lineup.

He inherited a team that went to a bowl the previous year, not a bowl caliber team.
 

They were a bowl team in 2006. One that blocked a FG to beat NDSU 10-9.

Do you really think they were a bowl caliber team in 2007? Freshman QB, Pinnix hurt, starting secondary of Barber, Thomas, Collado and Jamal Harris? Decker, Kuznia, and Spry at WR. Howell returning kicks/punts. That team was so laden with talent that Brewster "needed" Theret, Thomas, Spry and Howell to fill the voids in the starting lineup.

He inherited a team that went to a bowl the previous year, not a bowl caliber team.

A Bowl Team is a Bowl Team...u people with your excuses amaze me.......
 

Alvarez didn't take over a Bowl Team.......

Please follow the conversation if you are going to chime in. The conversation is about "indicators" or success going in to year 4.

Since you started a different conversation, the Gophers were a very poor team in 2006 despite it being Mason's 10th year AND him having a 4 year starter at QB at the helm.

My intention is not to blindly back Brewster, he deserves some heat following this season. I believe (not 100% sure) that the Gophers were the only visiting team all year not to have the lead in Iowa City- a group that includes Arkansas State, Northern Iowa, and Indiana. Big picture, he deserves heat for having a team that has regressed as the season went on two consecutive years.
 

A Bowl Team is a Bowl Team...u people with your excuses amaze me.......

No excuses, the team in 2007 was terrible. That is a fact. A fullback from NDSU was faster than our safeties.
 

Glen Taylor could definitely get it.

Doogie, Doogie, Doogie......Glen Taylor just pumped a bunch of money into the cash strapped Star Tribune. There's no way in H-E-L-L Taylor will be the TOY.

As a Strib employee, How do you not realize that?
 

I wouldn't give it to anyone on the Wolves or Wild. The primary players responsible for the messes both franchises are in have been cleared out, and if you don't want to be criticizing Brewster three years in you sure don't want to be sandbagging Kahn or Fletcher before the ink has dried on their contracts. The Wolves in particular are going through a purging process everyone knew was necessary but would be very ugly in the short term, even uglier with the loss of Love to injury.

At any rate, you guys are a bit too thin skinned with regard to Brewster. Surely not everyone who doesn't think highly of him has an agenda, is out to hurt the program or dishonest, right? The strength of the reaction speaks to cognitive dissonance, which makes me suspect you guys know things aren't as rosy as you'd like to believe.
 


On reflection I think it should go to McHale. No, I don't care that he's gone. A thousand years of darkness on that incompetent man's family.
 

It might be too real, but I say Royce White. He had a chance to be a god in Minnesota, and was given a so many chances, instead now he gets to be the biggest what if in recent memory
 

I've gone on record on Jamiche's thread in the other forum picking Bruininks. Thought it would be Maturi so Ruesse could include all Gophers but Souhan had his blame Maturi column last Friday I think. With all of the ammuniton, real or fabricated, Ruesse can't resist.
 

Doogie, Doogie, Doogie......Glen Taylor just pumped a bunch of money into the cash strapped Star Tribune. There's no way in H-E-L-L Taylor will be the TOY.

As a Strib employee, How do you not realize that?

Correct ... him and Opperman ... well aware, but there is a clear separation between the business side and editorial side ... Glen knows that, but we would also be foolish not to think that that could enter into the conversation.
 

No excuses, the team in 2007 was terrible. That is a fact. A fullback from NDSU was faster than our safeties.

I still can't get that thought out of my head...NDSU's fullback pulling away from our secondary? Some of you don't get it, Brewster was left with by far the least talented team in the Big Ten...I'm frustrated with the season too, but we will have a lot of talent coming back next year and I really think we will be an improved team in all areas--including defense!
 

Brewster should really be judged on 2011 and not 2010 because that's when he'll have a significant amount of seniors for the first time. And one of our greatest weaknesses, the offensive line, really won't be good until 2012 or 2013 with all of the incoming good recruits.

I can't believe how many long-time gopher fans (younger then 60) have developed such a large case of impatience in a couple of years.

This is what I've been wondering. Since Brewster got hired later than most coaches, isn't his program kind of a year behind? The key players from his first recruiting class are all redshirt freshmen or sophomores, so they'll still be underclassmen next year. Or does that not really matter?
 

A team playing its backup QB, and its backup RB for most of the game ... With Stanzi and all of Robinson, Iowa wins by more ... and the Gophers still wouldn't have scored ... for me, it's a joke to not score a point two straight years against your co-main rival.

I gotta agree with the Doogster on this one! No excuses please!
 

This is what I've been wondering. Since Brewster got hired later than most coaches, isn't his program kind of a year behind? The key players from his first recruiting class are all redshirt freshmen or sophomores, so they'll still be underclassmen next year. Or does that not really matter?

Yes and no. The program is, practically speaking, a year behind in talent. Brewster's first year he didn't get a chance to recruit, and if this was just a conversation about recruiting, you'd be right. Its somewhat balanced, though, by the fact that as far as implementing changes on the field, Brew also basically punted the first two seasons when he decided to start all over with a new scheme this season.
Also, while they may be youngish, next year this team will be largely Brew recruits.
 




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